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Andrew Spalis, partner at the door-to-door distribution firm Fast Leaflet, told the Huffington Post UK that his firm has been carrying out work for Ukip and that many of its employees are from Latvia, as well as other parts of Eastern Europe. He said that the firm had "only yesterday" carried out leafleting for the party. [/i]
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/07/ukip-eastern-european-leaflet-distribution-_n_5279567.html ]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/07/ukip-eastern-european-leaflet-distribution-_n_5279567.html[/url]
What's worrying is everytime one of these FAILS is publicised, their poll ratings appear to go up 😯
Has someone put something in the water?
Isn't he the bloke who drinks pints?
and who's light aircraft don't stay in the sky...
Surely its 'Fast Leaflet' employing Latvians, not UKIP?
The more they get criticised, particularly by the irritating politically correct left, the greater their vote will be...
In this instance had UKIP ironically had their way that company would have had to try and employ the lazy uneducated English work force, that in all probability would turn its nose up at such a menial task or charge so much UKIP couldn't have afforded it.
Lazy journalism for a more outrageous headline, innit. Of course its fast leaflet employing the latvians, what political party would go through the bother and HR cost of employing their own deliverers of leaflets for such a short length of time when they could purchase these services from someone who specialises in this work.
Gavin Barwell, Tory MP for Croydon Central, told HuffPost UK: “Ukip’s hypocrisy knows no bounds. They say they are against Europeans taking our jobs and then, when they have a chance to offer some British people work delivering their leaflets because they can’t find volunteers to do it, they employ European workers. You couldn’t make it up!”
Though this mp doesn't exactly help clarify this arrangement with his use of "employ", he does seem to have a point.
politically correct
You mean normal people who like the idea of being nice to each other? 😀
Lazy journalism for a more outrageous headline, innit.
From the HuffPo? Who'dathunkit?
El-bent - Member
politically correct
You mean normal people who like the idea of being nice to each other?
No I mean abnormal people who make us [s]normal peoples[/s] Daily Mail readers lives a misery. 😉
No I mean abnormal people who make normal peoples lives a misery.
How so?
How so?
How long have you got?
Do you not real the Mail?
derekfish - MemberThe more they get criticised, particularly by the irritating politically correct left.....
You're at it again derekfish .......[i]Gavin Barwell, Tory MP for Croydon Central, told HuffPost UK: "Ukip’s hypocrisy knows no bounds".[/i]
Only you would describe a Tory MP as "the irritating politically correct left".
As Gavin Barwell points out the problem for UKIP is that they can't find volunteers who are committed to their party's policies to do their leafleting for them.
But then how can anyone have any real commitment to UKIP when no one really knows what UKIP policies are ? Their supporters are as clueless of UKIP policies as their candidates are loopy.
How long have you got?
Well go on then, spit it out, I fancy a laugh.
ernie_lynch - Member
derekfish - Member
The more they get criticised, particularly by the irritating politically correct left.....You're at it again derekfish .
You know I didn't mean that poor desperate Tory MP, and the PC quip was aimed closer to STW home than that my fine fettered red flag following friend.. 😉
El-bent - Member
How long have you got?
Well go on then, spit it out, I fancy a laugh.
Well now let me think, what about todays latest.. How is it my youngest child having benefited from a fine state education, followed even by a spell in the private sector and all her friends, know all about the five pillars of islam, but nothing of Magna Carta - as a for instance.
Only you would describe a Tory MP as "the irritating politically correct left".
To be fair, to UKIP the Torys [i]are[/i] the irritating politically correct left.
...when they have a chance to offer some British people work delivering their leaflets because they can’t find volunteers to do it, they employ European workers. You couldn’t make it up!”
Though this mp doesn't exactly help clarify this arrangement with his use of "employ", he does seem to have a point.
Well, for a start it would be illegal under EU law for UKIP to contract a firm and say they could only use British workers, and on top of that it would be illegal under EU law for 'Fast Leaflet' to employ only British workers
So the fact that they were unable to contract or employ only British workers to do it due to EU law actually reinforces UKIP's point surely
[i]British Jobs for British Workers[/i] as a certain former prime minister said!
Given UKIP's scare mongering about foreign labour streaming into the country, if I was Nigel Farage I'd damn well be checking that I wasn't making a **** of myself when engaging a contractor, it's fairly common practice these days to take responsibility for your supply chain, just makes them look like the amateurs they are.
Please stop under-estimating and trivialising UKIP. Stop classifying them as the "far right", they are attracting voters from the right, the centre and the left.
if I was Nigel Farage I'd damn well be checking that I wasn't making a **** of myself when engaging a contractor, it's fairly common practice these days to take responsibility for your supply chain
As pointed out above, what do you expect him to do? Break the law?
UKIP aren't Far Right but Far Weird.
Well now let me think, what about todays latest.. How is it my youngest child having benefited from a fine state education, followed even by a spell in the private sector and all her friends, know all about the five pillars of islam, but nothing of Magna Carta - as a for instance.
So what you are saying that they should not know something about one of the world religions over the value of something other than in its historical context, has been replaced by other legislation?
Did they learn any other history? How about WW1? Or the civil war? Or the reaffirmation?
El-bent - Member
So what you are saying that they should not know something about one of the world religions over the value of something other than in its historical context, has been replaced by other legislation?Did they learn any other history? How about WW1? Or the civil war? Or the reaffirmation?
Pandering to Islam is just one irritating politically correct instance. Why Islam? Why not the Hindu Faith, or Buddism, both peaceful religions, both with representation here, but beyond that, the Magna Carta is the root of the freedoms and basis for our Justice System, which has been exported far and wide, pretty fundamental that kids know about it rather than some aggressively bigoted religion like Islam.
[s] the [/s] Magna Carta
Corrected for pedantry
It's quite funny but tbh this sort of thing just distracts from the sort of madcap stuff they actually do totally of their own volition, so it's probably counterproductive.
...aggressively bigoted...
Aren't aggressively bigoted folk just horrible to be around?!
deadlydarcy - Member
...aggressively bigoted...
Aren't aggressively bigoted folk just horrible to be around?!
Anyone with a beard is just horrible to be around.
Ask those 200 Nigerian girls.
Derekfish
It's a matter of balance. As a teacher, I raise awareness of the Muslim faith before those others, to counter the constant barrage of vitriol that kids are exposed to from certain areas of the popular press. Though I'm sure your daughter gets to form her own opinions, encouraged by those around her to keep an open mind.
El-bent
I think you meant Reformation.
boxelder - Member
DerekfishIt's a matter of balance. As a teacher, I raise awareness of the Muslim faith before those others, to counter the constant barrage of vitriol that kids are exposed to from certain areas of the popular press. Though I'm sure your daughter gets to form her own opinions, encouraged by those around her to keep an open mind.
As a teacher do you know of the events surrounding Magna Carta? Can you enlighten pupils about the facts surrounding our Civil War, Cromwell and the resulting powers granted to parliament?
None of these kids know the first thing about any of it.
I have to agree with Derekfish on the lack of knowledge about the development of our own constitution - personally I think its a fascinating subject, but I'm a geek like that. (Horrible Histories should be mandatory reading & watching)
Pandering to Islam is just one irritating politically correct instance. Why Islam? Why not the Hindu Faith, or Buddism, both peaceful religions, both with representation here, but beyond that, the Magna Carta is the root of the freedoms and basis for our Justice System, which has been exported far and wide, pretty fundamental that kids know about it rather than some aggressively bigoted religion like Islam.
Oh come on, that didn't take very long to show your colours. No fun.
Surely you should contacting the history department of said schools, and asking why Magna carta isn't on the list? We do have a rather large amount of history to cover after all.
And surely its not a bad idea for them to get to know something about one of the worlds religions(with a million+ followers in the country) rather than listening to the rantings of their father?
I suppose they could have learnt about the Christian faith and how peaceful it is...oh, hang on.
One of my local Potential MEP's is Amjad Bashir - UKIP
I think him and other Ukips members will get pretty good support if i'm honest.
Derekfish, I dislike you as much as beardy suicide bomber types. In fact, I'm half imagining you as some sort of Anders Breivik loon.
Keep fighting the power, bro.
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I shall vote UKIP for MEP for some entertainments rather than the traditional spineless lot.
As for the MP and local council I shall vote for the opposition (whoever is the strongest opposition) to those who are currently in power.
They are all zombie maggots regardless of the party I vote for.
Oh come on, that didn't take very long to show your colours. No fun.Surely you should contacting the history department of said schools, and asking why Magna carta isn't on the list? We do have a rather large amount of history to cover after all.
And surely its not a bad idea for them to get to know something about one of the worlds religions(with a million+ followers in the country) rather than listening to the rantings of their father?
I suppose they could have learnt about the Christian faith and how peaceful it is...oh, hang on.
Personally I'd sooner they were taught about the Hindu faith, which is open and encompasses lots of teachings, but then Hindu's don't go around bleating victim on one hand whilst bombing, torturing, discriminating, hell bent on world domination with the other, but that isn't the point. They're not at school to learn about religion per se, they're there to learn enough about themselves to carry out an existence. Part of that existence is knowing who you are, where you're from, why so many people from other countries want to come here.
All of that has the fundamental basis in history, from Magna Carta, through the civl war, the conquest of half the world and the loss of it all to the US and various other countries. I seem to spend almost all of my waking hours whenever these kids come round explaining it all to them.
They even have sessions boning up on minor little things I think they should know, you know like being able to name three or four English counties, never mind naming all of them and telling me where they are.
Or I rip the piss out of them and they worry about coming round to take her out for fear of being lab led 'moron' which quite frankly I can do all too often and shouldn't given they are bright kids, supposedly well educated.
So what has this to do with UKIP, I hear you wonder? Fundamentally it is the root of the reason parties like UKIP can breed, on the fear brought about by lack of education, the reason why there are so many folk from other countries here and why they're here, pretty much all of their countries have either been invaded by us, or fought over in times past, but our kids don't know all this, or about basic freedoms that have been fought for, so in teaching religious trivia, rather than history, we are causing the problem.
Great, Chewkw has turned up, there goes the neighbourhood. 😉
Tom_W1987 - Member
Derekfish, I dislike you as much as beardy suicide bomber types. In fact, I'm half imagining you as some sort of Anders Breivik loon.Keep fighting the power, bro.
Wel Tom rest assured you'd be the first in the cross hairs the day I finally flip out.. 😉
PS that bloke can't be all bad, he hasn't got that big a beard
They're not at school to learn about religion per se, they're there to learn enough about themselves to carry out an existence. Part of that existence is knowing who you are, where you're from, why so many people from other countries want to come here.
LOL.
if I was Nigel Farage I'd damn well be checking that I wasn't making a **** of myself when engaging a contractor, it's fairly common practice these days to take responsibility for your supply chain
ninfan - MemberAs pointed out above, what do you expect him to do? Break the law?
Nope, I don't expect him to break the law.
It's purely toughshit that he doesn't have enough volunteers to hand out the leaflets, doesn't mean he has to compromise his own principles, unless he doesn't actually have any.
So what has this to do with UKIP, I hear you wonder? Fundamentally it is the root of the reason parties like UKIP can breed, on the fear brought about by lack of education, the reason why there are so many folk from other countries here and why they're here, pretty much all of their countries have either been invaded by us, or fought over in times past, but our kids don't know all this, or about basic freedoms that have been fought for, so in teaching religious trivia, rather than history, we are causing the problem.
So teach them about empire, and how we killed an awful lot of them in a gun beats spear kind of way, but don't teach them about what you refer to as "religious trivia". So they are ignorant of one of the worlds biggest religions. And this is a way to neutralise UKIP?
Hate to say this, but this argument I've come across before, from the EDL.
Beats me why UKIP would bother sending extra leaflets out . Every political party taking part in an election be it Euro,national or local gets a free leaflet delivery via Royal mail. The correct number of leaflets for each postcode area is delivered to the sorting offices so they can be delivered to every property in that area.Returns are not allowed as only the correct amount should be supplied (although the UKIP ones were about 3500 too many).
We had UKIP last week, today we recieved Labour and the Green party leaflets arrive tomorrow
El-bent - MemberGreat, Chewkw has turned up, there goes the neighbourhood.
😆 [b]You lot are thinking too much.[/b]
Regardless of who you choose you will always choose zombie maggots from the four main parties i.e. Tory, Labour, Lib Dem or UKIP(MEP only).
My rationale:
Tory - they have only been back for one term so give them a chance. How much worst can that be by comparison to previous govt under Labour?
Labour - they were in govt for 3 terms and power really got to their heads. Should be out for at least 3 terms.
Lib Dem - King maker? They are cartoons aren't they? Apart from Vince who I think is a nice guy.
UKIP - someone to voice up against EU zombies because the other three main parties simply do not have the guts to do so. Ya, ya I hear you saying delicate negotiations to lead whatever etc ... sort that. Nobody is going to die of starvation en mass.
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My rational:
You didn't need to type any more beyond this point.
It used to be the duty of the church to teach religion, or you opt in to RI.
No more than I want my kids to be indoctrinated into the CofE, or Catholicism, I don't want them taught about another meaningless belief. As an extra add on? Fine, but only after they've been taught enough about the UK to understand our founding principles.
Thereby a basis for judgement can be made.
Which inevitably will be that most religions are the root of all evil.
But that freedom and justice are worth fighting for and protecting.