[Closed] WTH - Where does all the sugar come from?

Generally its the milk it does have high amounts of sugar in it . Again the museli has dried fruits etc which are high i stopped eating cereal for breakfast i have egg and bacon now and then just lower fat intake through the day end with high protein dinner.

If i have porridge i now use alpro soya light milk it has 0.2 sugars per 200mm and only 44 calories and once in porridge you cannot taste it i then sweeten with a tiny bit of stevia perfect 🙂

IMO There is a difference between 'natural sugars (ie fruit) and 'processed' sugars, just avoid the 'processed' ones.

Have cut back on processed sugars, although I see that Jordan's oat granolas have raw cane sugar as the second / third main ingredient!

br - imho unless it's been chemically changed to prevent digestion/metabolising - sugar is sugar no mater how unrefined it is.
ie a gram of honey sugar still has calories .

Ride more.

Where does all the sugar come from?

Fruit [in my case]

Breakfast this morning

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Some would say fructose - fruit sugar is worse than dextrose - table sugar.

Certainly its easy to take in a lot of calories in sugar unless you are carefull - a lot of it is hidden as well. Some would say the effect eating sugar has on your metabolism make it worse than other forms of calories.

However I would not accept that bacon and eggs is a healthier breakfast than wholefood muesli. Again others will differ.;

Where did you get your sugar count and limits from? Check the NHS site for the accepted / conventional wisdom on this altho more folk are looking at sugar as the enemy than used to

Jordan's stuff is some of the sweetest out there. and the most expensive! Tasty though.

Why would you say a breakfast of egg and bacon was bad ? Low in saturated fat high in healthy fats high protein and low gi ?

As opposed to a cereal filled with sugars and most of the healthy benefits removed ? With milk that has had most of the goodness removed with pasturisation ?

A cereal breakfast is just prepartion for insulin levels to shoot up and fall leaving you felling hungry and tired.

sugar in breakfast cereals is nuts...

bran flakes have more sugar in than cornflakes (nearly 2.5 times as much)

😕

jota - Are Morrisons Cornflakes really only 2g sugar per 100g?

tony24 - Member

Why would you say a breakfast of egg and bacon was bad ? Low in saturated fat high in healthy fats high protein and low gi ?

Bacon and egg is high in fat, high in saturated fats, high in animal fats, low in fibre, high salt. Implicated in Cardiovascular disease

[i]Wholefood[/i] muesli is a good mix of oats and grains and dried fruit and nuts - [i]with no added sugar[/i]. Milk does not loose most of its nutrients thru pasteurisation

On diet you will get many opinions and most of them wrong.

As I say check the NHS site for conventional / consensus view on diet. look at the role of sugars but take a pinch of salt with you

TandemJeremy - Member
Where did you get your sugar count and limits from? Check the NHS site for the accepted / conventional wisdom on this...

Don't think the NHS site has any hard figures on daily intake (unless you have a link) just the "eatwell plate" and vague waffle about "balanced healthy diet" 😕

nearly all "convenetional wisdom" quotes 40g sugar/day as a guideline and IMO even that is far too much.....

jota - Are Morrisons Cornflakes really only 2g sugar per 100g?

No that should be for 50g
they're actually 3.7g/100g

However I would not accept that bacon and eggs is a healthier breakfast than wholefood muesli.

Depends on how you define healthy. Things can be healthy in different ways and not so good in others for different reasons. Depends what oyu need.

Bacon and egg is high in fat

Really? Lean grilled bacon is high in fat? Eggs are high in fat? According to wiki only 5g fat in a large egg, and just over 1g of saturated fat. I trim almost all the fat off my bacon.

I don't want a big row though please.

A lot of recent studies are indicating proccessed meat significantly increases colorectal cancer risk.
There may be insulin response benefits to this type of diet, but its probably healthier (most of the time) to replace the bacon with either fish or chicken.
Or even better - vegetables, its unlikely that bacon (or other meat) [u]and[/u] eggs are needed in the same meal. Tomato & onion omelette's good.
Although I had a lovely bacon butty this morning.

I've been knocking back a bottle of Yazoo as a post ride recovery jobbie recently. Noticed yesterday that there are 48.9g of sugar in a 475ml bottle! So tasty though.

I take the mystery out if it and simply eat sugar cubes for breakfast, dinner, and tea, and maybe have a glucose gel as a snack....

DrP

A lot of recent studies are indicating proccessed meat significantly increases colorectal cancer risk.

I've been eating too much cured meat recently (mmm parma ham), and this has been on my mind. Time to simplify the diet.

oversimplification, but, hey ho:

simple sugars: sucrose (table sugar) is massively subsidised through the EU. It gets put in loads of foods as it is a crystalline low cost texture modifier. 'natural' fruit sugars (fructose) are packed into seed bearing pods (fruits) so as to get things to eat them (monkies, i.e. us) and crap the seeds out somewhere else. lactose is a simple energy source for baby moo cows. Maltose in grains is there as an energy source to drive germination. all these make you fat.

complex, long chain sugars: plants use as energy storage are ok as it takes a while to break down.

A lot of recent studies are indicating proccessed meat significantly increases colorectal cancer risk.

Yes - although 'processed' here means cured ie bacon, ham, salami etc. Because of the salts (sulphites I think) used in the curing process.

[i]Depends what oyu need.[/i]
Good point.

[i]I trim almost all the fat off my bacon[/i]
I do this too.

I have cut back on the quantity of bacon I eat, for the salt content, etc.

I agree ^^^ with replacing with chicken or fish.
My local-to-the-office Tesco is being vamped and as a consequence appear to be getting wild salmon back onto the fish counter.
So I'll be having a large lump of that with a home made salad for lunch today.

Just this second someone at work has emptied several packets of cakes, sweets and chocolates over the desks. The vultures are devouring it by the second. This afternoon I can guarantee they will all be talking about diet, exercise, how to lose weight, and carb to protien ratios etc..

^^^ In our office.

Sometimes the Samosa Gods provide great quanities of Samosas.

Both meat and Veg.

Resitsance in futile.

😉

I used MyFitnessPal for a few days. I struggled to get close to eating the amount of sugar it had as a target or get anywhere near the calories.

The nearest I got to the calories was after a night out at a tapas place, followed by five pints of bitter. I'm not really sure how fat people get fat 😉

Gave up tracking it in the end, because it's a faff if you actually cook food from ingredients that don't come in packets.

go for a decent sugar free meusli, you may start to taste it.

TandemJeremy - Member

Some would say fructose - fruit sugar is worse than dextrose - table sugar.

Table sugar is 50% Fructose and 50% Glucose.

Fructose is much sweeter. Its also metabolised by the liver which is why its very bad for you.

I always get the "no added sugar/salt" muesli. Of course there is still some fruit in it - even more if I add a banana, and them maybe some nice bio yoghurt with fruity bits too.

stevewhyte - Member
Fructose is much sweeter. Its also metabolised by the liver which is why its very bad for you.

How so?

I've been advised to eat honey for its fructose to re-fuel the liver.

stevewhyte

Fructose is much sweeter. Its also metabolised by the liver which is why its very bad for you.

Ah- table sugar is sucrose not dextrose. Sucrose is fructose and glucose joined together in one molecule. ( not really 50% of each) My mistake.

Cycnic - al - this is a part of the theories around sugar metabolism that are controversial.

TandemJeremy - Member

Ah- table sugar is sucrose not dextrose.

And dextrose is just another name for Glucose too.

Keep trying TJ you will get it right soon.

If the sugar is added sugar then I can understand you trying to cut down but if you are worried about the fructose in the fruit you eat (or the dried fruit in your müesli) or the lactose in the cheese you eat then I suggest you should question the diet you've adopted rather than the proportion of cheese or fruit you're eating.

A recent Europe 1 report on dieting habits of men and women concluded that French women prefer the calorie counting and smaller portions approach whilst men prefer fad or miracle fix diets that involve cutting out groups of foodstuffs.

Yes steve I know that - I just acknowledged I made a mistake calling table sugar dextrose

Did you really mean to say table sugar was a mix of glucose and fructose? or a molecule made by combining them 😉

On sugar metabolism and sugars place in diet and weight control this site is a decent source of info I bleive. Its written by a doctor I met
http://www.giveupsugar.com/

some links to the science here
http://www.giveupsugar.com/sugar

I am not completely convinced but its a view that is gaining acceptance

You are such a **** TJ, i can see why people can be ar**d with you.

Were you ignored as a child, you keep trying to show how clever you are. You know something, it doesnt work.

Steve - not see the wink smilie? Supposed to be mildly amusing. Missed nuance there old chap

On diet you will get many opinions and most of them wrong.

Its written by a doctor I met

TandemJeremy - Member
some links to the science here
http://www.giveupsugar.com/sugar

Conclusion, eat more protein, more fat particularly unsaturated and less refined carbohydrate.

sounds a bit iDiet-ish to me 😉

Hilldodger - there are certainly some parallels / similarities and he has shifted his emphasis more onto carbs in general than he did.

Edukator - Member
....if you are worried about the fructose in the fruit you eat (or the dried fruit in your müesli) or the lactose in the cheese you eat then I suggest you should question the diet you've adopted rather than the proportion of cheese or fruit you're eating.

I agree, and have noticed that much of the confusion/consternation recently about the D-word is due to people failing to distinguish between an eating plan to lose weight, one to maintain a "healthy" weight, and one to aid sports performance.....

rkk01 - Member

Next up. SUGAR. Where the hell does it come from? I blow through my sugar "target" every day! From what I can see, this is entirely down to muesli (20g) and milk (16g)

Are the targets too low? Or or are there easy ways to reduce. Looking at porridge as the cure at the mo

I have been looking into this for ove a year, it has taken me 40 years to realise how bad sugar is for you and how much sugar is in just about everything.

I use the teaspoon method, convert the grams into teaspoonfuls of sugar to give me a unit of measurment the whole family can relate to.

Now when out with the kids the fist thing thay ask is how many teaspoons in this dad before thay say can i have it, lols

Ditch all breakfast cereal, its poison.

Porage oats, eggs, bacon, etc for breaky.

Convert everything to teaspoons of sugar, its an eye opener.

A quote from your linked site, TJ:

It (sugar) also breaks down to fat!!

No it doesn't, it gets converted to glycogen with a some help from insulin and consumed or stored unless you eat too much of it in which case th eexcess will be converted to fat.

Again from the website I linked to - sugar calculator
http://www.giveupsugar.com/lose_weight/your_sugar_calculator_1

edukator - fructose is differnt from glucose in how it is metabolised although the quote is a simplified version.

non simplified
http://www.nature.com/nrgastro/journal/v7/n5/full/nrgastro.2010.41.html

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?volume=303&issue=15&page=1490

I need a high fibre breakfast cereal that's low in sugar. Recommendations?

Porage?

doesn't aid my regularity. I'm offshore so it's not like there's much choice. Guess it'll have to be all barn.

It would be nice if the Nature people stated the source of what they consider excessive fructose, TJ. Fructose tastes very sweet so the food industry has taken to adding it. I'm not in favour of added sugar of any kind but would be very surprised if five-a-day fell into that articles excessive category.

Edukator - Member

.....unless you eat too much of it

which is kind of all you need to remember 😉
I can think of no component of food (barring known poisons or products of contamination/spoilage) which will [i]per se[/i] "be bad for you" when present in your diet unless you consume immoderately or have a medical condition which contraindicates that food/substance

oliverd1981 - Member
doesn't aid my regularity. I'm offshore so it's not like there's much choice

smuggle out some prunes and add to the porridge ?

A recent immoderate session involved three of us, a swim session, and a 2kg tray of stawberries. No ill effects whatsoever. 🙂

Edukator - Member
A recent immoderate session involved three of us, a swim session, and a 2kg tray of stawberries. No ill effects whatsoever.

Sounds like a nice post exercise refuel, I assume the strawberries [i]were[/i] a food item rather than recreational accessory 😈

So the conclusions here are,

1) everything's bad for you,

2) no-one really has a clue.

How am I doing?

.....unless you eat too much of it

I think perhaps that's the real science right there.

Lean grilled bacon is high in fat?

Genuine question speaking as a vegetarian,

Who the hell grills bacon?

I take the mystery out if it and simply eat sugar cubes for breakfast, dinner, and tea

Half memory but, didn't the guy who discovered(?) sugar effectively kill his wife by feeding her a diet of sugar ("the purest of foods") and nothing else?

it cracks me up that people cut down sugar for weight loss.. I mean really..!!?

you've got to be eating pretty poorly to be taking on enough sugar to make you fat.. look at hummingbirds you crazy fools!

look at hummingbirds fools!

I get my sugar though eating lots of cake, chocolate, biscuits, fruit, and assorted energy products.

If I haven't met my target I make meringue or have some custard.

Works for me.

Oh and I cook my bacon in the oven or microwave, but steam my black pudding.

look at hummingbirds

Straw man? We should all just eat grass and nothing else because hey, look at cows!

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We should all just eat grass and nothing else because hey, look at cows!

straw men..? that diet sounds like a surefire route to IBS..

not good brain food either according to [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarecrow_(Oz) ]this research[/url]

yunki you speak mince.

I can of coke, 10 teaspoons of sugar. How many could drink 3 ice cold cans over a hot summers day. 30 teaspoons thanks, not difficult it is.

Look at public health over the last 30 years, sugar is the key factor to the decline.

I can of coke, 10 teaspoons of sugar. How many could drink 3 ice cold cans over a hot summers day. 30 teaspoons thanks, not difficult it is.

proves my point neatly, if a little ineloquently..

I can of coke, 10 teaspoons of sugar.

Eight.

A 330ml can contains 35g of sugar in the UK. That's eight tsp of granulated sugar (I just measured it, because I'm sad).

Well done Cougar, give yourself a gold star. 🙄

When commuting to work I started calorie counting not to lose weight but to make sure I was eating enough.
A meal deal from boots ( chicken salad sandwich, bag of crisps and a 500 ml bottle of ribena) only came to about 900 calories. I was burning up about a 1000 on the commute plus my job as an electrician is pretty active so I was having to eat what felt like constantly.
Some days it would have been cheaper driving than cycling with my bad food cravings.

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Yunki how did you manage to photoshop a pic of yourself on to the can?

but steam my black pudding.

What you do in your own time is your business!

More importantly, why is everyone writing Porage rather than Porridge?

brassneck - Member
More importantly, why is everyone writing Porage rather than Porridge?

Jock-speak innit 😆

Most peoples sugar intake cOmes from the large latte's they consume from the coffee shops 🙂

why is everyone writing Porage rather than Porridge?

I assumed it was an attempt to sound more authoritative by using clever words when regular ones are perfectly adequate (see also 'potable' from a week back).