...this could, unfortunately, lead to a diminution in the ability of the human race to appreciate aesthetically beautiful things, but it's for the greater good...
you should have sex with lots of women..
appealing as that might be, I've been snipped 🙁
[i]yes, and it worries me that some simple flaw in the vaccine, bypassing as it does our normal protection from disease vectors, might wreak havoc if given to everyone - so can only be justified for generally life threatening diseases[/i]
As a concern, it's not without merit, but at present given our knowledge, it would seem to be an unjustified assumption.
We could extract viable sperm using a needle aspiration technique, but might have crowd control problems in the queue...
yes, and it worries me that some simple flaw in the vaccine, bypassing as it does our normal protection from disease vectors
But surely a vaccine works by triggering our "normal protection from disease vectors"?
[i]Bacteria are at it too; the development of MRSA is a case in point, and now we have ESBL producing bacteria which essentially negate the effect of beta-lactam antibiotics.[/i]
MRSA has been around for generations though, so not really a new suprebug as the press like to make out.
Had it 6 weeks ago. And the winter flu jab. And the whooping cough jab. T1 diabetic and front line health worker.
No problems.
Also slight sore arm for me, no other side effects.
GP 'insisted' as I have had 'serious' illness in the past!
I was a bit worried but it was fine.
please tell me that justifies preventative culling
No, sadly, and neither does Trolling on the subject of the worth of vaccinations on a forum known to have a smattering of health workers present.
However, if there is any suggestion that this topic may snowball into another MMR debate I will happily revise my opinion on the merits of a preventative cull.
No thanks, I'm with SimonFB, Don't get ill at all and don't trust a new drug..... we as humans take far to many already, is there anything wrong with allowing our bodies to combat things on their own??
I do forget that most of the folk on here are old folk, Flu jabs in the winter??! ha ha, you old buggers....... 😈
is there anything wrong with allowing our bodies to combat things on their own??
It's a new flu strain so no one is immune to it. Not even young, immortal super fit guys 🙄
you can just let your body combat it on it's own*. Chances are you'll most probably be fine. As long as you accept there is the slight chance your "combat" will end in hospitalisation or even death.
(* vaccines pretty much rely on your bodies ability to naturally combat stuff, but we'll ignore that detail)
There was a recent paper from Mexico that looked at the effects of having received last year's seasonal flu vaccine, which did contain vaccine against an H1N1 strain although not the same one causing swine flu but one of its sisters cousins or aunts. But if you had had the vaccine then you were a lot less likely to get the swine flu and none of the 8 patients who had been vaccinated and subsequently got swine flu died whereas 18 of the 52 unvaccinated patients who got swine flu did die. Its not the greatest study, and you have to be able to grasp the idea of relative risk to see the point, but if the death rate in one group is not a lot and in the other is 35% then the "it will never happen to me" group doesn't have to be that large for its members to be in with a good chance of being wrong.
Had my second swine flu jab today (Celvapan) and feel fine (as I did after the first dose). I had it to protect those around me (due to my work).
It's a new flu strain so no one is immune to it. Not even young, immortal super fit guys
interestingly, by no stretch of the imagination could I be described as either young (56) or even routinely fit :o) Perhaps my immunity is a more generalised thing ?
I really meant that comment for stompy, after he pointed out we're all old buggers (which is true).
You, Simon, are just a medical marvel 🙂
Yes. Immunization should confer a degree of resistance. Swine flu is potentially fatal. I like the idea of reduced risk of death.
Had it a month or even a couple of months ago.
in fact gave myself the seasonal in one arm and swine flu in other arm...
Swine flu jab sore for 36 hrs
otherwise wouldn't have known that I'd had it.
I do understand peoples concerns about having it.
It's advised, but at the end of he day optional. afaik we don't live in a Nazi state that forces it's population tto be injected with vaccines.
Anyone remember the other thread about health workers being immunised?
A subject that seems to provoke strong feelings on here.
Do what you want to do.
I've has the swine flu jab (I work in healthcare & have a long term neurological condition) and other than a sore arm was fine. Had it on the thursday, was riding Gisburn that saturday. No illness, nothing. Didn't even feel "viral", which I've had happen with other imms & vaccs over the years.
As for testing it, it has had pretty much the same testing that occurs with every seasonal flu vaccine each year.
Age & immunity is interesting, there is a school of thought that says those over 50 (I think it is) may have a degree of immunity through exposure to similar strains that were around in the 1960's, whereas the younger population will have had no exposure.
Even if you passed the online test to be given tamiflu, unless you had H1N1 confirmed through testing, if you are in a high risk group you should still consider the immunisation.
[u]missingfrontallobe[/u] - Member..I have a long term neurological condition..
Lol. I think I know what it might be 😀
GrahamS - Membermissingfrontallobe - Member
..I have a long term neurological condition..
Lol. I think I know what it might be
Really? I wonder what gives it away?????? 8)
