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They have some very good policies.. but why wont people generally vote for them? I know many here will vote green but now is probably a golden opportunity for the party to gain huge ground due to most people not wanting to vote for the mainstream donkeys. Do people just not bother checking on party policies and get manipulated by the mainstream media to vote anti Romanian?


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 5:30 am
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For years my local greens were slightly left of the socialist party and had policies that had more to do with anti-capitalism than green politics. For the first time there's a [url= http://eelv.fr/category/vivre-mieux/ ]party[/url] that sticks to green issues without promising full employment and growth. How they'd manage an economy I have no idea, but if they run the EU they won't have to so they'll probably get my vote on Sunday.


 
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Historically it's been a combination of "No! to EVERYTHING" and as Edukator said the super left ideals that I think most accept never really work.

With UKIP being an exception single issue politics is a tough gig to sell, EU elections get round that partly as PR brings in some of the fringes and partly as people think that protest voting in PR is a good idea - only vote for people you want to see get in.

Being a green party means you skip over a lot of other issues. Being a progressive/center/moderate party with green ideals means you can end up looking like the lib dems. Your either niche enough for your core support or sell outs.

If people voted based on policy rather than dogmatic party political alligences based on stuff their folks told them or something that was done while the current crop of politicians was in school doesn't mean you will get what you thought you voted for.

So enough being a politician and not answering the question. If someone like the greens can provide a good broad spectrum of policies they might have a chance.
If I was voting their anti nuclear, anti GM stuff would cost them my vote.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:00 am
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I always vote for them. It's shortsighted madness not to.


 
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First Pass the Post system probably stops a lot of people voting for the smaller parties. Wasted vote and all that.


 
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Their science policy is stuck in the dark ages anti gm, anti stem cell, and generally very damaging to medical and scuentific research on (knee jerk) principal rather than based on any sound reasoning
As a scientist I can't see past that no matter how much I a agree with their other policies

Also they need to get behind nuclear


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:14 am
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If I was voting their anti nuclear, anti GM stuff would cost them my vote.

So your a fan of tons of massively radioactive waste (I assume we're talking Uranium) that we have no idea how to store for 1000 years let alone tens of thousands. Yet reserves will only last about 85 years?

GM seed? Monsanto? Seed patenting that's only compatible with specific fertilizers etc?

Come on those aren't make of break issues are they?


 
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Nonsense policies I don't agree with e.g. raising fuel tax by 8% a year every year, compulsory 40% allocation of women on company boards, abolishing tax relief on pensions, banning of all animal testing.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:31 am
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i vote green.

i don't like all their policies, but there's no need to worry about that, they're a long way from winning.

you could call it a protest vote, which would probably be fair, but it's a lot better than not bothering.

you could say the same things about voting ukip, but the significant difference is that the greens mean well.


 
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It's the colour, it looks a bit drab.


 
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@tightywighty Those are huge issues you can't just brush away. I agree with Kimbers here, the power situation in the UK is reaching a critical stage and we must take definitive action, in my belief nuclear is the best choice.

Just because they have one or two good policies doesn't mean they should be ushered in as our new leaders.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:51 am
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Do people just not bother checking on party policies and get manipulated by the mainstream media to vote anti Romanian?

I'd never vote for You Kip.

Alot of the the Green Party's policies are already in action by the current/previous leaders.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:54 am
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compulsory 40% allocation of women on company boards

You have a point, 50% would be fairer.

As for the fuel tax, fuel is far to cheap at present as you only pay for using it rather than using it and the consequences of using it. Much the same as nuclear power, you are only paying the current cost rather than the true long-term cost.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:55 am
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If I was voting their anti nuclear, anti GM stuff would cost them my vote.
So your a fan of tons of massively radioactive waste (I assume we're talking Uranium) that we have no idea how to store for 1000 years let alone tens of thousands. Yet reserves will only last about 85 years?

Given I have a fairly deep understanding of the issues associated with Nuclear Power and the waste it can produce both historically and going forward I'm still in favour. It is one of the few things that can produce a stable low carbon baseload to compliment the growing renewable sector. In the absence of other sensible options it's the best one.
GM seed? Monsanto? Seed patenting that's only compatible with specific fertilizers etc?

You have to decide if the technology can be made to work why shouldn't it be used for good. Your mixing up the technology with the business and throwing out advances to solve the problem of greedy corporate strategy.

So yes blanket no's to things like that would be a deal breaker. I'd not seen a few of the other science ones which also make me very uncomfortable.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 6:57 am
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I voted LibDem at the last election because I believed they offered a genuine alternative to the other two. Lesson learned.

I'm going Green this time.

Although living in a city with a green council and a green MP I've probably seen more of what they actually do than most. Tbh, they're not [i]that[/i] different to all the others but maybe different enough.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:01 am
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raising fuel tax by 8% a year every year

What would that gain?

So ultimately when the Green Party has forced everyone to work from home, only get jobs locally or catch public transport (imagine the fare rises)...

Our food prices would sky rocket- how does food get to supermarkets and restaurants again? Oh yes lots of cafes/restaurants would close as people wouldn't pay the prices.

where would the Green Party make up for the shortfall in the massive current tax income from fuel tax? The government needs this steady income.

Oh yes- it'd need to raise income tax to balance the books.

Oh and Green Party's policy on trams- its already happening.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:11 am
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The sensible energy option people on this forum consistently refuse is investing in energy saving themselves. Even when the investments pay for themselves in 2-20 years. People accuse governments of being short sighted but are just as short sighted themselves.

You only have to look at the car threads to see that fuel economy and fuel type is one of the least important considerations in car choice. Given a choice of 200bhp/T with 40mpg on diesel and 100bhp/T with 45mpg on petrol, which would an STWer choose?


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:12 am
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I thought the greens spent most of their energy fighting each other for not being far enough to the left?

The idea of the Greens is great, would be nice to get that without a lot of the hardline socialist baggage.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:12 am
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Hora,

People won't be forced to work from home though many would love the opportunity to do so.
Most people would like to work locally and approve measures to make that possible.
Public transport costs invariably go down when greens get in.
Food might be a little more expensive but I'm happy to pay a little more to reduce my chances of getting cancer to 1950s levels.
I never eat in restaurants partly because they serve re-heated industrial bilge (check stats before you rubbish me).
The greens would raise more tax per litre of fuel so there would be no shortfall even if fuel demand dropped.
Trams are fine in big cities, preferably with rubber tyres, but buses/mini-buses are better in small towns.

Edit: I agree Martin, the left has hijacked the green movement and seems intent on crashing it.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:21 am
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Edukator- where would the people in the catering industry find new work? Beer etc would also increase in price wouldn't it so pubs etc would close faster.

You'd want us to become a village economy?

Public transport costs invariably go down when greens get in.

How? All the talk but what would happen in reality would be increased subsidies with raised taxes elsewhere to cover the shortfall/balance the books.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:25 am
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The time is not that far off when the thought of an 8% rise in fuel would be considered a good thing as opposed to 10-15% as it starts to run out.

But with anything like that the solutions need to be in place before the stick is used.


 
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Probably what happened was the founder was actually colour blind; the policies and the colour don't quite match, unless you're colour blind.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:35 am
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How? Because an efficient integrated transport system attracts enough users to make it profitable. I never have any trouble getting where I want to go in Germany with or without my bike though it does often involve standing due to popularity. In the UK it's impossible with my bike and an expensive, frustrating process without it.

Living in a village economy is preferable to living in a stinking big city IMO.

The current tax system is all about subsidising some sectors with taxes raised in others. Green politics concentrate on subsidising things that do you less harm or no harm by taxing things that do you harm.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:36 am
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JCL you are a perfect example of green scientific ignorance

Whatever beef you have with monsanto you fail to appreciate that such technology isn't all about one corporation and that's exactly why it's important to have government engaged and funding the research

When an issue that's generated so much press for the movement seems to provoke such an immature response - at ukip levels of intransigence you know they can't be trusted


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:37 am
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Edukator - Troll
compulsory 40% allocation of women on company boards
You have a point, 50% would be fairer.

Why? Sex should not be an issue. Period.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:38 am
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So we'd be totally green here. As the smog/pollution of industrial output of Europe drifts over into our country.

On affirmative action. Its encroaching on big brother for me.


 
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So we'd be totally green here. As the smog/pollution of industrial output of Europe drifts over into our country.

Prevailing winds in the UK means the smog/pollution goes the other way, generally. And the UK is part of Europe, too.

I won't vote Green due to the anti-science ignorance most of their policies seem to be based on.


 
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Why? Sex should not be an issue. Period.

There's a notion that women need a leg [s]over [/s]up.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:41 am
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The Green party leader is called Natalie.

Thats not a strong female leaders name. What would her nickname be? The green lettuce lady?


 
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Already being covered above, but just to add my weight. The 'green' movement in general is in favour of things that are bad for the environment and bad for people. They are anti-scientific and dogmatic. They promote a political and social idea that we should revert to a pre-industrial way of life and claim that it's about the environment.

Oh, and the 'nuclear waste' problem is only a semantic problem. It's not waste, it's fuel, it still has up to 95% of the original energy in it. We have a nuclear fuel surplus.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:46 am
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Cause they are no fun. where as UKiP are a laugh a minute.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:47 am
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I do love how UKIP are being taken down. If anyone who was going to vote for them still is then god help us.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:48 am
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Anti nuclear power. Anti capitalist. Anti free market economics.

Controlling centrists who shouldn't be in "control" of a piss-up, let alone an entire country.

Green Power? Ne Bedankt.


 
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Worrying about putting your nation at a competitive disadvantage by voting green in national elections is a valid concern, however, in the European elections the measures apply to everybody in the free-trade area so the playing field remains level. It's the perfect opportunity to vote with my conscience rather than the economic interests of my nation.


 
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Why wont people vote green?

The Green Party's greatest handicap imo is that it is consistently ignored by the media.

In the last European elections of 2009 they received more votes than the BNP and yet all the fuss was about the BNP winning two seats (the Green Party also won two seats)

In the local elections of 2009 the Green Party won more than twice as many councillors as UKIP, but you could be forgiven for not realising that in light of the UKIP-centric media.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:53 am
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[i]The Green party leader is called Natalie.

Thats not a strong female leaders name. What would her nickname be? The green lettuce lady? [/i]

UKIP have similar issues.

"Nigel the Impaler"

isn't going to strike fear into any Romanian's heart.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:54 am
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yeah vote green get dope cafes

DU405 Cannabis would be removed from the 1971 Misuse of drugs act. The possession, trade and cultivation of cannabis would be immediately decriminalised, roughly following the Dutch model. The trade in Cannabis would be the subject of a Royal Commission (see below), with a view to establishing a fully legalised, controlled and regulated trade. Small-scale possession of drugs for personal use would be decriminalised.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:57 am
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"Nigel the Impaler"

isn't going to strike fear into any Romanian's heart.

Ravage Farage?


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 7:59 am
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Can I vote for mikewsmith?


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 8:05 am
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It's a free country I vote for the party I think will run the whole country best. Can't see green policies working if they can't run the economy


 
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Having failed to produce any criticism of green politics that stands up to examination Hora resorts to insult based on the candidate's name and the thread descends into nonsense.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 8:08 am
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They're just a bit too whiney, holier than thou, sandal weaving, eco-idealogues who don't have a plan for energy or science or economics that stacks up. They also don't seem to be able to marry their ong term energy policies and their quite nimbyish/19th Century conservationist attitiude to the required infrastructure.


 
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[i]and the thread descends into nonsense. [/i]

thread entropy is never far away.

"mikewsmith the merciless"

has a certain ring.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 8:11 am
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Can I vote for mikewsmith?

Yes but to do that would require you to draw your own box on the form. Also campaigning and commuting is expensive so I am collecting donations. PP Gift only but like kickstarter for the right donation you get your own policy.


 
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.....or economics that stacks up

And you think the Tories/Labour/LibDems have ?

So how come we've had unemployment, housing crises, recessions, etc, all under their watchful eyes ?


 
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Their policies are awful, no nuclear power, and then something that looks old school labour where everything is nationalised. Plus I see lots of spending plans, but no way of paying for them.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 8:50 am
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I've just voted green by postal vote. I've voted labour all my life, but now just can't bring myself to do it any more. I just can't see what on earth it is they're meant to represent. I don't think they do either. After being hollowed out from the inside by Blair and Brown, all they seem to be is the Tory party, representing unchallenged, a completely failed and discredited neo-liberal consensus, but with a vague promise that while they aid corporations and the rich in ****ing us all over, they won't look like they're enjoying it quite as much as Dave and chums are. pointless.

They're the only party that seems to be prepared to mention the selection of elephants in the room. Namely a completely unreformed, unbalanced and dysfunctional economy and banking system, where the tail has been wagging the dog for far too long, to the detriment of everyone but those at the top of the pile. And an acceptance that as a result of this, everything should now follow the agenda set by these parasites, to appease them yet further. There demands must be met, even if that means the complete abandonment of the post-war consensus of the welfare state and the NHS

I don't think for one minute they have all the solutions. But the fact that they're actually acknowledging the problem in the first place, instead of a resigned shrug, and a continuation of 'business as usual' that got us into this mess in the first place (and will do again) means they're getting my vote

The fact that it upsets Hora, reassures me immeasurably that I'm right in doing so


 
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OK more social policy really, i.e. spend like **** and fund it by taxing business to the eyeballs. Weve been there, it was a shambles.

I will say that they are the only party that offers a genuine alternative to the management style politics of the mainstream but they've forgotten about the shi77y mess we are in debt wise. They're not thinking about a different system just a badly conceived redistribution of wealth.

You're right in that the rest don't have an answer either but then politicians do overstate the power they have over economics and whoever is in charge you won't get away from the fact that some will acquire at the expense of others and periods where it's worse and better for the population as a whole. We need a bit more philosophy in politics to come up with soemthing that offers economic and indidual liberty whilst providing for an adequate social infrastructure.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 9:02 am
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I agree with binners.


 
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If you read the content of their manifesto it sounds like they will do everything to make life perfect - cheaper transport and energy, create more jobs, increase the minimum wage, build 'truly' affordable housing, scrap the welfare cap, scrap university tuition fees.

Sounds perfect.

No suggestion of how they will do all this save for capping bankers' bonuses and scrapping the HS2 rail link. That ain't gonna pay for all those changes.


 
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The problem for the Greens is that some of the biggest industries in the UK are Defence, Oil & Gas, car manufacturing and banking, yet they seem to want to destroy them all. That'll work well then.

If folk hadn't noticed Labour moved ground to become electable, staying further left was a guarantee they'd never get in.


 
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The problem for the Greens is that some of the biggest industries in the UK are Defence, Oil & Gas, car manufacturing and banking, yet they seem to want to destroy them all. That'll work well then.

And that model has demonstrated grandly that it is completely unsustainable, and totally dysfunctional, and simply not fit for purpose, if your looking to the future. Yet its the suspension of disbelief with the main political parties. So we have the complete recreation of the conditions that led to this catastrophic sequence of events in the first place. A short-termist, self-serving, unregulated banking system, uninterested in investing the health of the real economy, and obsessed with a self-serving bonus culture, a government deliberately stoking a housing bubble for short-term political gain. A complete disinterest in innovation or skills, and a race to the bottom in working conditions and wages. And this goes unchallenged by what is increasingly laughably referred to, apparently without irony, as 'the opposition'

Do you think thats sustainable? We need to radically change our approach. But none of the political parties will even acknowledge theres a problem with this totally ****ed up system in the first place, so completely refuse to engage with the electorate in the issues that actually concern them. Hence the complete disenfranchisement of huge chunks of the country. Myself included. . So until they do, I think I'll vote for a party that is at least to point out there may be an issue with the emperors new clothes. Only when these things are forced onto the agenda, can they be adressed


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 9:25 am
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I've just voted green by postal vote. I've voted labour all my life

This makes me happy. Please spoil your Labour vote with any other please. Bravo! Bravo! 😆

So it'll be 'hello Dave' back but not that bloody idiot Vince Cable. All fangs to Binners xx


 
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Out of interest, where do the Greens stand on the biggest issue with sustainability, which is the massively expanding global population?


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 9:33 am
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I won't vote green because I fundamentally disagree with their energy policy and their refusal to consider nuclear power.

"ARRGHH! NUCULAR! BABIES WITH THREE HEADS! DEATH! DESTRUCTION! MELTDOWNS!"


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 9:36 am
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Out of interest, where do the Greens stand on the biggest issue with sustainability, which is the massively expanding global population?

Start with restricting the populations geographic movements, suppress free enterprise (drive small businesses to the wall with high taxes), forceably insert women into leadership positions.

Next, a return to communal farming policy?
Hey the early days of Comrade China anyone? 😉


 
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you could call it a protest vote, which would probably be fair, but it's a lot better than not bothering. you could say the same things about voting ukip, but the significant difference is that the greens mean well.

That's kind of where I;m at.


 
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women into leadership positions

WON'T SOMEBODY STOP THESE MANIACS!!!


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 9:40 am
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You best get used to coalition government you Thatcherite tool. The days of Blair-esque (or your hero's) majorities are long gone. Brought on by the political parties being virtually indistinguishable from one another, and the apathy and resentment thats produced. So maybe voting for minority party (or perish the thought - voting for someone with a modicum of enthusiasm) will make bit more difference in future. I'm prepared to give it a go anyway, because I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of the mainstream alternative

And if you're voting for the present Tory party then you're providing ample proof, as if it were needed, that you're an absolute mongtard. Talk about Turkeys and christmas.

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Posted : 20/05/2014 9:43 am
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When alls said and done. You voted for Bliar and new murder 😉


 
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Is there a pro-nuclear power party?

I quite like electricity, so I would vote for one if it existed.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 9:57 am
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I'd vote for anyone who places large windfarms in rural ex-farmer/city workers properties.


 
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I'd vote green if they could ensure we remain competitive in the global economy. But sadly their stance seems too blinkered for that...


 
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When alls said and done. You voted for Bliar and new murder

Crikey, it's like Question Time -
"My badness isn't that bad, because YOUR badness is worserer!"

How teethgrindingly pointless.


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 10:10 am
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Its like in the movie badboys discussing who has the highest body-count.

We know the latter would win hands down, even if the majority are 'collateral damage'.


 
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[i]I never eat in restaurants partly because they serve re-heated industrial bilge (check stats before you rubbish me).[/i]
These establishments do not register with me as actually being restaurants. Pizza hut is not a restaurant, Franky and Benny's, is not a restaurant, the Kings Head, is not a restaurant, etc, etc.

[i]I've just voted green by postal vote. I've voted labour all my life,[/i]
Never mind.

[i]a completely failed and discredited neo-liberal consensus, but with a vague promise that while they aid corporations and the rich in ****ing us all over,[/i]
You're sore because you ain't successful in business. Its easy to spot your jealousy. Corporations employ people and provide funds for private pensions. Go look at BP.

[i]OK more social policy really, i.e. spend like **** and fund it by taxing business to the eyeballs. Weve been there, it was a shambles.[/i]
10/10 for swear filter avoidance. Good effort !

[i]If folk hadn't noticed Labour moved ground to become electable, staying further left was a guarantee they'd never get in.[/i]
Yes, but I find it interesting to find on here, so many folk who appear to desire a massive swing to the far left, in this country. Its yesterdays nightmare and best consigned to history. Permanently !

[i]And that model has demonstrated grandly that it is completely unsustainable, and totally dysfunctional, and simply not fit for purpose, if your looking to the future. Yet its the suspension of disbelief with the main political parties.[/i]
Hold it right [b]there[/b] !
Its alright for some folk to espouse the merits of a certain political party, when the policies of that party have no or little detrimental effect to their daily lives. Its the some ole crap.
Voting green, when you already, don't drive, work local, grow your own veg, etc. Doesn't make you an example to the rest of us, any more that showing how savvy you are for selecting a party which may cause you the least inconvenience. This is not to be confused with being responsible.
Instead, this is the process of voting for the least [i]pain[/i], [i]most[/i] gain in one's life, from the choices available.


 
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Hora - have you been putting crystal meth on your cornflakes again? Here you go….

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Go and crack one off, and calm yourself down

EDIT: Solo - I don't even have to ask you the same question. The answers pretty obvious.


 
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Its like in the movie badboys discussing who has the highest body-count.

more like hot fuzz where they're discussing which bad boys movie is the best one


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 10:17 am
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binners, I never voted for Thatcher or John Major. Just for the record.

I admired her going into a chauvinistic world and the mess that she had to pick up. She was vilified because of it. She couldn't win.


 
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"mongtard".

Is that an actual word?

Or even an argument?


 
Posted : 20/05/2014 10:28 am
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It isn't an argument Wopster, but it is a word, yes. Have you ever met Hora?


 
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binners, your extended post on p2 is fantastic.

They're the only party that seems to be prepared to mention the selection of elephants in the room

I don't think for one minute they have all the solutions

at this point, that is key.
lets remain focussed on what you are voting for this week, its not a [b]general election[/b] where you can expect an [b]outright majority[/b] and immediately see nuclear, defence and combustion engines banned

its about providing a little more balance to the conversations which are currently ongoing


 
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To answer the question "where do the Greens stand on" the best way to answer is look here:

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/

Out of interest, where do the Greens stand on the biggest issue with sustainability, which is the massively expanding global population?

To answer this specifically, look here: http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/pp.html

Their science policy is stuck in the dark ages anti gm, anti stem cell, and generally very damaging to medical and scuentific research on (knee jerk) principal rather than based on any sound reasoning
As a scientist I can't see past that no matter how much I a agree with their other policies

Also they need to get behind nuclear

That's not a realistic representation of Green Science policy at all, perhaps "as a scientist" you might want to do some research and provide evidence to back up your assertion?

Stem Cells:

"The Green Party acknowledges the existing and potential future benefits to humans and other animals from stem cell technologies, using both adult and embryonic cellular material. These benefits include direct medical advances, improved non-animal testing methods for new medical treatments, and the advancement of knowledge. However, we also emphasize the importance of continuing ethical regulation, adequate government funding, and transparency of research in the areas of embryonic and adult stem cell technologies, to protect donors and the public health."

Lots on GM here: http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/fa.html but it's probably a political opposition to GM rather than a scientific one - where GM is used to proliferate a monopoly for a tiny number of massive producers, then it's only going to cause problems - from an agriculture problem, monocultures can be devastating to food supplies, see bananas for a looming problem with that - making GM monocultures won't solve the problem, and puts the "solution" in the hands of a small number of companies.

Again, not sure what you mean by research - there are a number of relevant policies there.

Nuclear - I don't disagree, but me and people like me are yet to win the argument in the party. However, the fact that, as a party, we discus and agree on a set of policies for everyone to see means that ordinary people, and indeed experts, have a much greater degree of influence in the policies of the party than any other party.


 
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Posted : 20/05/2014 10:52 am
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If binners had been born in Spain he'd be called Senor Fuktardo


 
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In terms of why do people not vote green - other than lack of media coverage (just look at the number of times the similarly sized (if not smaller) in terms of representation UKIP gets on the radio and TV, compared to a Green representative and you can see there is a massive discrepancy - despite the fact that UKIP is a single issue party, and the Green Party is not.

There is a structural bias against the green party is a lot if different things - take polling for example, some polling companies (ComRes and ICM) never include a specific option to indicate a green vote - you can say it in the free text, but this will tend to under report - YouGov sometimes has a green option, and sometimes does not. All of them consistently include a UKIP option - this has an impact on the media coverage, and therefore the awareness, which translates to votes.

Within the party, the reaction against this has been to focus on winning elections on the ground, by getting round to people's houses and talking to them, and demonstrating that a Green Councillor will be a good thing for them locally - many people never a see a councillor, and the fact that the party makes an effort in a lot of places (this is how it has taken a whole bunch of seats in the west midlands recently) means it gets a foothold - which in some places it has built on (Brighton, Bristol, Norwich, Solihull, Lancaster). These have all been won by boots on the ground election tactics, something the Tories all but abandoned years ago, UKIP have never done, and is sporadic in Labour and the Lib Dems, for Greens it's the only approach that has been demonstrated to work.


 
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FA314 The Green Party supports a moratorium on production and import of genetically modified (GM) foods, including food from animals fed on GM feed.

with no explanation or reasoning why?
no mention of monopolies, monocultures or or any other justification, just luddism


 
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Binbins. Calm down dear. I didn't expect you to say:
[i]"yeah, ok, you have got a point there, with some of the stuff you posted"[/i].

[i]Senor Fuktardo[/i]
I know I shouldn't, but ^^ was funny.
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Posted : 20/05/2014 11:00 am
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I wish they didn't look so green, I like a bit of power dressing especially in the 40% on the board. Still they'll get my vote in the absence of anything vagely human.

edit: oh and i don't like growth,-there I've said it growth, growth, growth thats all the others bang on about looks to me like we could all do with growing a little less.


 
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Selective quoting, why?

The full quote...

FA314 The Green Party supports a moratorium on production and import of genetically modified (GM) foods, including food from animals fed on GM feed. Whilst such food is available, it must be labelled as including GM ingredients. (See FA720-721)

With the full policy section:

Genetic Modification
Background

FA710 Genetic engineering will not solve the problems created by industrialised agriculture and it may add to them. Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) tend to secure large profits for a few multinational companies, rather than making farming easier or more efficient.

FA711 Many environmental problems have been associated with genetically modified (GM) crops:

(a) GM crops may cross-breed with wild varieties or wild species and transfer genes to other plants, posing a long-term threat to wildlife and biodiversity.

(b) Herbicide-resistant genes have been transferred to other plants, creating ‘super weeds’.

(c) Herbicides used with GM crops have been shown to harm both wildlife and human health.

(d) GM crops producing bio-pesticide toxins may be toxic to wildlife and encourage resistance in the target species.

(e) GM crops undermine organic and conventional farming through cross-contamination and by creation of resistant pests.

FA712 The use of GM crops in poor countries has proved disastrous to farming communities. Not only have the crops failed in many cases, but they undermine the diversity of local seed varieties with monoculture GM crops designed to secure profits for multinational biotechnology companies. There is no evidence that GM crops will ‘solve’ the problem of world food shortages through increased productivity: there are many social and economic issues that need to be addressed to prevent food shortages in poorer countries. (See also ST362, ST370)

FA713 Despite widespread introduction of GM foods in the United States and elsewhere, the potential dangers of GM foods to human health have not been properly investigated and risks remain considerable.

Policies

FA720 The Green Party supports a moratorium on the use of GMOs in all agricultural systems including production of human food and animal feed and on importation of GM food or feed. (See AR413, CC254, EU489 and ST364)

FA721 We define GM food as any:

(a) that is genetically modified or includes ingredients from genetically modified crops; or

(b) that is from genetically modified animals; or

(c) that is from animals that have been fed genetically modified feed.

So long as any such food is available in this country, it must be labelled as containing genetically modified ingredients or coming from genetically modified sources.

FA722 The Green Party will establish and uphold the rights of consumers, farmers and local authorities to choose GM-free food and to establish GM-free zones. We will legislate for a strict liability regime which makes biotech (GM seed) companies and GM food producers fully liable for any losses through contamination or harm caused to the environment or human health. (See ST364)

FA723 We will apply the precautionary principle and place strict conditions on research using genetic engineering to ensure that GMOs do not escape, pollinate other plants or cause other damage. (See ST363)

At least reference the whole thing, rather than being selective.

I'm not saying it's perfect, and there is almost certainly a lengthy background paper hidden somewhere on the members only bit of the website which provides a lengthy background to the reasons for these aspects of the policy as well. However, there is more to it than your very selective quote.


 
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