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Yup and Andy Murray is British.
Yup and Andy Murray is British.
For the time being 🙂
Until he loses again
Is this the casual racism thread
It could be, if we were actually talking about different races of people, which we aren't.
Ethnist isn't really a word, though, is it?
Funny thing about all those harmless jokes the English have always made about everybody else is that, post June 23th, it is quite obvious that the humour was merely an expression for the profound sense of superiority over England's neighbours. Does that come within the label of racism? Does in my book.
So all those comments pointed at anyone in favour of leaving the EU being racist scum are actually just light-hearted jests?
Here's a little bit of education for you: most of those jokes that you seem to believe the English make about other cultures/people are commonplace in those other countries but directed at other smaller cultural groups within those countries.
Try checking out jokes made by Irish people about Kerrymen, jokes made by Americans about Poles are little different to jokes about the Irish, and the same jokes about the Poles are made by them about another smaller Polish group.
This is a worldwide cultural thing, it's not racist, to say so is just lazy.
But if throwing the label 'racist' at someone just because something they say offends your delicate sensibilities makes you feel better about yourself, knock yourself out
Count Zero makes a good point.
When I went to Alberta I found the Albertans make jokes about Saskatchewans & French Canadians.
Bloody racist Canadians!
I thought he was being ironic.. CountZero makes a good point
Never ask a foreigner where he is from. If he is not english he will tell you within a few minutes, and if he is English, why embarrass him?
CountZero - Member
It could be, if we were actually talking about different races of people, which we aren't...
Do you apply that argument when it's not the Scots? Eg substitute French, German, or Polish.
After all we're all descended from a very narrow group of common ancestors.
I'm South African and have endured endless p*** taking for my accent - never been offended. People shouldn't take themselves too seriously imo. World would be a slightly better place for it.
zeesaffa - Member
I'm South African and have endured endless p*** taking for my accent - never been offended. People shouldn't take themselves too seriously imo. World would be a slightly better place for it.
I think most of us can handle a bit of hazing.
However there are people who can't and it makes their life miserable.
As a Cumbrian, I'm tired of the stereotyping that we, as a county are on the sharp end of. Many Cumbrians aren't handsome, athletic, swarthy, super-intelligent and irresistibly charming, so just because most of us are, it's not fair to burden the unfortunate ones (off-comers mostly FYI) with these narrow-minded labels.
Merry Boxing Day.
GrahamS - MemberI'm a sweaty sock too and nothing about that joke seems even remotely racist to me.
ernie_lynch - MemberMost people with average intelligence would have no problem at all understanding the intent behind the repeated, and incessant, use of the term "sweaty sock" when arguing on a thread about Scottish independence.
Are you saying Graham is below average intelligence?
The problem with this sort of argument is that, as highlighted by those two quotes, it's very difficult to know exactly where to draw the line (which I expect is one of the reasons we get accused of inconsistency / bias). Something overtly racist would get deleted; a slight play on words which requires a regional accent to work I'm struggling to see how anyone could get offended by unless they were spoiling for an argument.
Where it gets difficult is that lazy stereotypes fall somewhere in between, and if I'm honest I don't really know how to moderate that. My gut feeling is to do it based on intent; I suspect it's easier to gauge whether something is light-hearted teasing or it's intentionally insulting.
Meanwhile on the Brexit threads the mods are happy for anyone pro-Brexit to be accused of being racist because it fits in the editorial stance on the subject. Funny that...
I'm not aware of any official "editorial stance" on this (or indeed, any) subject. The day it is mandated that I have to bias my moderation based on a particular political leaning, even it if aligned with my own viewpoint, would be the day I hung up my hat and walked away.
I've only read about two pages of that discussion (I've been too busy having the same fight on Facebook to be bothered to do it here as well) so can't really comment on specific posts. I find it interesting though that it's clearly a big enough issue for you to bring it up on an unrelated thread to use as ammo against us, yet not a big enough deal for you to have reported a single post on that thread. It's difficult to moderate posts we've not actually seen, y'know.
Not to pick on you but just an example, there are other similar comments on this about banning and such that have no basis in fact either. I know it's great fun to have any excuse to have a pop at the Moderators (ooh, another lazy stereotype) but we're doing our best here, honest.
Cougar +1 To be fair I think the casual racism comment was aimed at the lazy stereotyping of Scots as mean and not the ops joke.
It's a good job nobody on this thread has shown they're offended by it then.Something overtly racist would get deleted; a slight play on words which requires a regional accent to work I'm struggling to see how anyone could get offended by
To be fair I think the casual racism comment was aimed at the lazy stereotyping of Scots as mean and not the ops joke.
No, I know, I was just using it as an example.
Cougar - ModeratorThe problem with this sort of argument is that, as highlighted by those two quotes, it's very difficult to know exactly where to draw the line (which I expect is one of the reasons we get accused of inconsistency / bias).
It's a piece of piss working out the intent behind using terms such as "sweaty sock", all it requires is this thing called [i]common-sense.[/i]
Common-sense tells you that GrahamS used the term in a harmless self-deprecating manner, whilst THM used it in a deliberate attempt to wind-up people he was having an argument with.
It ain't rocket science ffs.
That's the problem with extremists, be they bigoted extremists or politically correct extremists, they completely refuse to use [i]common-sense.[/i]
Hi Cougar. I don't tend to report posts and on that thread I went in and made my own response to those who I thought were being a bit lazy in their thinking. I think I'd rather reply than just have posts deleted. Besides, my point of view may actually be wrong.
I mentioned it here as the thread had turned into a debate about casual racism and what constitutes racism. I thought it fitted in.
As to the editorial stance, well I don't think there can be any disagreement about what Mark thinks of the pro-Brexit vote. Just check out some of his home page posts. I wasn't saying you had been given guidelines but I find the level unpleasantness in that thread to be remarkable when you consider how intolerant of bad behaviour this forum is.
I think I'd rather reply than just have posts deleted.
That's your call of course, but as I said, you can't do that and then hold us accountable for sloppy moderation over posts a) no-one's reported and b) we haven't seen.
As to the editorial stance, well I don't think there can be any disagreement about what Mark thinks of the pro-Brexit vote. Just check out some of his home page posts.
I've not seen that either (I don't read much beyond the chat forum). In any case, whatever his personal feelings, that doesn't dictate policy. I have my own personal opinions of course, I try to be impartial but am only human.
Common-sense tells you that GrahamS used the term in a harmless self-deprecating manner, whilst THM used it in a deliberate attempt to wind-up people he was having an argument with.
You would understand that Ernie, above anyone else.
Odd that "countries" got bought into race/racism legally - much better if people grew a pair/had a SoH
Surely the litmus test of acceptability is whether you would call a random Scot in the street/pub/tube, or wherever, a sweaty or jock.
You would understand that Ernie, above anyone else.
No mate, most people are perfectly capable of understanding that GrahamS used the term in a harmless self-deprecating manner, whilst you used it in a deliberate attempt to wind-up people you were having an argument with.
This ridiculous schoolboy tactic of feigning confusion with [i]"what....what did I say wrong?"[/i] convinces no one.
Odd that "countries" got bought into race/racism legally - much better if people grew a pair/had a SoH
Do you actually believe that or is it just an obscure troll?
I'd like to apologise for having given the impression that national stereotypes are the sole preserve of the English. What I meant of course that most other nations have updated theirs since the 1920...
I mean, look at the one about Italians being fearties; I take it none of youse have met any Italian mountaineers or been rock climbing at somewhere like Valdimello??