[Closed] Why do English people do that?

Ah, an Ausie playing a jock in a film mostly filmed in Ireland

Gretna ??

Gretna gateway outlet village to be precise.

twoniner - Member

Ah, an Ausie playing a jock in a film mostly filmed in Ireland

Yes, it's the "playing a jock" bit that's relevant.

The rest is about funding and tax breaks

And arses.

CountZero - Member

When it's at least a hundred miles north, it's the north, innit. Same as everything at least a hundred miles to the east is the east. And places that are at least a hundred miles to the south and south-west, well, you get the gist.
Really!

Funnilly enough, it's still the north when they're in it. And 100 miles to the south? That's the north too. And the east? That's also the north. And the north? Well, that's the north too.

Ugh, just read this and it's driven me to drink. I guess I've become a borderline alcoholic.

It could have been more factually correct by stating that it's in the north west of Britain.

Is that small-country-syndrome-agnostic enough for you?

What annoys and amuses me about the london-centric media is the descriptions of people who call into the radio or email a website:

Ed from Sheffield
Daisy from Bristol
Rob from Brixton
Dave from North-east Hammersmith
Brian from Scotland
Julie from Wales

Why not Ed, Dave etc from England and Brian from Pitlochry?

It's a bit like talking to americans: where are you from? Scotland? Oh, I love Europe! Are you near Paris?

What UK magazine was this in anyway?
Perhaps it's an English mag available in Scotland? Dunno.

Ed from Sheffield
Daisy from Bristol
Rob from Brixton
Dave from North-east Hammersmith
Brian from Scotland
Julie from Wales

Why not Ed, Dave etc from England and Brian from Pitlochry?

I've never even heard of Pitlochry, but I have heard of Sheffield, Bristol, Brixton, Hammersmith, and Scotland, and have a rough idea where they are. I suspect that applies to most people in the UK.

EDIT : To be fair I'm not entirely sure where Sheffield is, it's a bit north for me, but I definitely have a rough idea where Scotland is.

[quote=Junkyard ]only if you are english

zokes - Member

It could have been more factually correct by stating that it's in the north west of Britain.

No, that'd be the opposite of factually correct- Ae's pretty close to the middle of Britain.

I wish my life was so free of any genuine concerns that I could find the energy to get worked up about stuff like this.

why do Scottish people feel the need to assume all English people are the same

[quote=mikewsmith ]why do Scottish people feel the need to assume all English people are the same
Oh teh ironing 😆

[quote=scotroutes ]mikewsmith  » why do Scottish people feel the need to assume all English people are the same
Oh teh ironing
I know getting the creases right is hard when throwing sweeping generalisations out into the world

grum - Member

I wish my life was so free of any genuine concerns that I could find the energy to get worked up about stuff like this.

Trying to decide between Mooch, Coffee Cali and Copa House really takes it out of you doesn't it? 🙂

Was just over the border in Hebden yesterday, getting a haircut at John's and having a mooch around - nice to see nearly everyone back to normal after the flooding.

why do Scottish people feel the need to assume all English people are the same

I like what you did there 😉

I haven't read the context of the article - if it's about one person's trip, then perfectly acceptable to talk about it being just over the Scottish border. But if it was a more general article, then it is a bit lazy to assume all your readers are English.

Not, by far, the laziest journalism though, the one that really bugs me is the way nobody - not even BBC Scotland who are meant to cover stuff from a Scottish perspective - bothers mentioning when news stories affect England only. We're supposed to care deeply about what Gove says about education or what latest wheeze is being used to sneakily privatise the NHS, but it's never mentioned that these things don't affect us.

it's never mentioned that these things don't affect us.

What a selfish attitude 😐

I feel the same about the American non-news we're constantly bombarded with.

And the BBC weather map projection that gives undue prominence to the south.

Never mind, eh? 😀

What a selfish attitude

Okay, would you like to hear, in great detail in every newspaper and on every news broadcast, about the education system in France? Would you find it slightly annoying if the BBC reported story after story after story about the health system, without once mentioning that the health system they were talking about was the German health system?

It's not selfish, I care a lot about what the Tories are doing to screw up things in England, but I'd also like the media to remember that not all of us are in England. Or even London.

Yeah but it's the British Broadcasting Corporation, not the French or German Broadcasting Corporation. We expect British news, Scotland is part of Great Britain and is likely to remain so for a long time.

No, that'd be the opposite of factually correct- Ae's pretty close to the middle of Britain.

Nope, that would be this place, which is quite far away from Ae

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunsop_Bridge

The chip prevalent amongst many nationalists is coming out. Again I recently said that they get worked up over things like the Premership and the UK weather map, and am being proved correct. Seem to have a wish to live inside a tartan shortbread tin. The bad world South of Carlisle and Berwick can be kept out. If something comes on the news about England, just put your fingers in your ear and blast out Scotland the Brave.

Ben, you would care about the NHS in England and Wales if you ever required A&E treatment after a biking accident during a trip 'just over the border.

Lighten up - they're Mabie confused where they meant.
As a Borderer with Scottish maternal family and English father, I consider myself both, though not a bit Welsh, and have little connection to London.
Time for a frontier Republic.......

Not read the whole thread but what I have seen suggests that the English folk on here are as small minded as the writer in the OP - and stupid enough not to even understand.

Dumfries and Galloway? that's somewhere down south isn't it, just before the border?

cynic-al - Member

Not read the whole thread

The chip prevalent amongst many nationalists is coming out.

Funny thing is, living in the North of England I see/hear plenty of people complaining about the "national" news being overly London-centric, but I guess it is easier for you to make sweeping stereotypes when it involves national borders.

(e.g. when the news was constantly wibbling on about "the 5cm snowpocalypse in London while we had half a metre outside)

Was just over the border in Hebden yesterday,

My quote there GrahamS is anything but a sweeping stereotype. If it was I would have used 'all' rather than 'many'.

As someone that would like to see tourists come to my area I would be more concerned with the content of a review of Ae than being pedantic about the description of it's location.

If you are unhappy about reporting in the North of England then you could have an independance referendum.

I've read the thread and can confirm that the ironing is piled high 🙂

I doubt there was an iota of malice in that journo's mind when he wrote the sentence the OP is talking about, the only thing he is guilty of is slightly substandard journalism. Hardly worth starting a war over.

As northwind suggested though, it's often the straw that breaks the camel's back with media coverage of Scotland. Each minor thing just reinforces some people's views that all the UK media is concerned with is the south east.

This isn't unique to Scotland. I spent most of my adult life in the north of england, but working some of the week in london and the london centric reporting is even more apparent. At least scotland gets called "scotland", anything that happens in England outside of London occurs in "the north" (or Brighton) 🙂

I'm not sure why people get so upset about it though. It's just the words of a reporter/journalist. I've yet to meet one who is in the running for the Nobel peace prize. They've probably got bigger concerns re content other than tiptoeing around the little known sensitivities of some folks in the provinces 😉 It's not great journalism, but it's not the voice of the UK either.

Fears have been growing that some stronger than expected price rises this year could be leading to a bubble south of the Border, with borrowers over-stretching themselves.

Again, he invoked the miasmic swamps "south of the border" for comparison, that hellscape of "less police stations, less police officers".

Just two of several articles from today's Herald including reference to "the border." So perhaps the answer to the OP is that, like some Scots, some English use the term to denote locations or activites that take place, "just over the border." Makes a lot of sense to me so the OP will have to excuse me for not being offended by The Herald.

THM, the Herald is a scottish publication. I think the gripe was about publications which are supposed to be UK wide reporting primarily from an English perspective.

If the journalist is English, and self-identifies as such, and writing in the first person why must he project himself as something else? It isnt a news report.

Peterfile, pls tell me that you are not suggesting that either the Herald or The Scotsman refrain from UK wide reporting?

I agree, as I said, it represents the views of the journalist rather than the UK/England. I don't have a problem with it.

BUT, many will read the article as being the views of the publication rather than the individual's, hence why some people perhaps get a bit frustrated when their favourite UK publication appears to view them as "another bit of the UK".

Like I said though, I really can't see what the fuss is about.

[i]And the BBC weather map projection that gives undue prominence to the south. [/i]

I've often thought that the map of the uk they show on the weather should be based on population density rather than geography.

It would allow a great granularity of prediction for, say, the South East of England whilst allowing a dismissive wave of the hand at the barren unpopulated hinterlands of Northern Scotland and mid-Wales.

What's the point of giving a detailed forecast for an area the size of half of Wales that a couple of thousand people live whilst condemning 7 million people in the South of England to leaving home without a brolly because there wasn't enough explanation of where the showers were going to be that day?

[Please Note: the above is written tongue in cheek. I do think that a lot of 'prejudice' in the media and other places is a sub-conscious understanding of the relative size of the audience for what is being said, though]

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I really can't see what the fuss is about.

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I'm border this

Peterfile, pls tell me that you are not suggesting that either the Herald or The Scotsman refrain from UK wide reporting?

Is there not a difference between a publication which promotes itself as being Scottish rather than UK? Of course they both report wider than their geographic location, however I doubt many Londoners buy the Herald expecting UK wide reporting from a UK neutral perspective, in the same way that folks in Glasgow won't buy the Standard

I'm being devil's advocate here, I really don't care either way, I struggle to get wound up by this, but I know many who do.

Surely a well researched and written piece which properly explores its SUBJECT is far preferable to a bog standard one which carefully sidesteps the many many issues that people have with word/phrase selection? I'd judge it on whether the article did what it was supposed to, and let the author away with the more minor stuff. You can't please all people all of the time 😉

thegeneralist

Good work.

It seems some Scottish people like to moan when they are assumed to be part of the UK, and also moan when they are considered a separate country. 😕

Trying to decide between Mooch, Coffee Cali and Copa House really takes it out of you doesn't it?

Was just over the border in Hebden yesterday, getting a haircut at John's and having a mooch around - nice to see nearly everyone back to normal after the flooding.

Aye it's a tough life. 🙂

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

Have we established that the journo is English...he may be a Scotsman living in England for all we know.

[quote=bigyinn ]Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

I've never seen anyone is Scotland with a chip on their shoulder, such as waste of fried food...

IGMC

I struggle with long sentences.

I blame Mel Gibson for all this.

Edit - pesky forum filter!

😀

I was just reading something that said Scotland's poor health was down to the death of heavy industry - so it's all Maggie's fault.

[i]he may be a Scotsman living in England for all we know[/i]

or a woman?

The chip prevalent amongst many nationalists is coming out. Again I recently said that they get worked up over things like the Premership and the UK weather map, and am being proved correct.

pls tell me that you are not suggesting that either the Herald or The Scotsman refrain from UK wide reporting?

I really can't see what the fuss is about.

Last night on the world land speed record he was asked why he did it

" For britain and for the hell of it!"
Cue voice over then saying he was the first englishman to hold the record since Campbell - that is what the english do - Murray was off course the first Brit to win wimbeldon though.

Its not a huge deal but it is prevalent and shows an english centric view
Within england you get a southern centric view [ most media is there ] and regarding the weather Greg Dyke moved much of the BBC north as the weather report described bad weather and storms with the words
" and the good news is it is heading north.

If the english wish to not care or call folk names for this then that is their choice but it hardly negates the point and rather reinforces the ignorance that perpetuates these sort of statements.

I just hate all these narrow minded little Englanders and Scotlanders with their petty arguments. In fact I'm so sick of the bigoted, racist carping that the time has come leave this union of perpetual moaners and declare a land of free thinking peoples. Yes it's time for a free Yorkshire! Yes I do understand that it will need to include Hull.

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

And you'd be wrong.

Your english though so of course you cannot ,you probably also do it without realising and interchange english with britainas well as if they are the same.

I can see why using England and Britain interchangeably is annoying but this isn't the same thing surely.

Of course it will be a free Yorkshire - you lot have never been known to pay for owt! 😛

Yes I do understand that it will need to include Hull.

But it's never dull in Hull

Where is the ****ing article anyway?

I can see why using England and Britain interchangeably is annoying but this isn't the same thing surely

[i]But it's never dull in Hull [/i]

Chris Rea's classic 'We're on the road to Hull' makes it sound quite dull.

Rod Hull was Dull but his bird was excitable

Me thinks you is all missing da point..

It's a few trees in some lovely countryside, t'is all, border or no border.. it was there long before we were.

I say enjoy it then head home happy.

😉

You think describing a place in the UK from an english perspective is not english centric

That's not quite what I said. It is perhaps English-centric but understandable if the writer is English and most of his readership is English too.

I guess that as the colonial oppressors this is just one of those things we don't get.

Is living in Bolton and having an English accent English-centric btw? 😛

Hi, I'm baby from SP3509

That's at 51.7803809 Lat and -1.417656299999976 Long.

Saves any of the nonsense really, doesn't it?

Like you I am just doing missionary work and trying to civilise the native savages 😉

Junkyard

I really can't see what the fuss is about.

Your english though so of course you cannot ,you probably also do it without realising and interchange english with britainas well as if they are the same.

I'm Scottish though.

dont be defeating my well crafted arguments with inconvenient facts 😳

😆

In fairness, when i was a yoof, i occasionally got it into my head that Scotland was living in the shadow of England at times. Frustrating thoughts for a young man who had barely spent any time outside Scotland.

8 years of living in various parts of England and Italy soon changed that. I'm happier now as a Scot than before I left Scotland, I see our country in a different light.

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn't move.

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn't move.

Meh. Depends whether or not after independence the English decide to invade to claim some of the best trail centres. Then it would be just over the border, in England.

Soon it will be: just over Hadrian's Wall II...

Well it does, because "over" means you've travelled "over" the border.

If I said to someone in Newcastle that Berwick-upon-Tweed was just over the English border they'd rightly be confused.

Perhaps "just inside the Scottish border" would have been better?

As many have said, it seems like an incredibly small thing, but it is part of a far bigger pattern and attitude.

thegeneralist - Member

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

And you'd be wrong.

"Of course it will be a free Yorkshire - you lot have never been known to pay for owt!"

Yes it reminds me of a place north of the border, everything being free and what ave you (or owt for nowt). I've even heard talk of deep fried Mars Bars on prescription, with medical research into deep fried pizza to follow! It's time a Free Yorkshire were proper free like them Jocks, they can keep the skirts though. You'd get well ****-ed down Fartown in one of them. We could a ave song like then funny fellas with glasses (the Ponderers), I can see n hear crowds massed voices at the John Smiths Stadium (for a home international?) singing "Sunshine on Golcar". It brings a tear to the eye already, mind that could bin smoke from Crowthers chimney.

You will all be welcome t free depart (the mean start) of the Tour of Yorkshire next year. Two days in Gods country then of to foreign lands, a day int south (you have give somefin since their payin),then off to France. It's a first for the Yorkshire tour, see we think big here and are free with it. Not like that bloody sports day down London last year or that mini version in Gorbals next year.

Now back t mill to work on me carding machine. See the!

Cry Freedom Cry Yorkshire!

Do tell.

I wouldn't say that the OP has a chip on his shoulder, more a frustration at slightly careless journalism (which perhaps fuels some sort of other issue he harbours re the balance of Englishness in the union).

OK, maybe a wee chip on his shoulder, more like one of those ones you find at the bottom of your burger king chips, barely a chip at all, but still technically a chip.

Comedy gold.

Has this been done yet?

OK, maybe a wee chip on his shoulder, more like one of those ones you find at the bottom of your burger king chips, barely a chip at all, but still technically a chip.

Do keep up at the back....
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Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn't move.

Can you tell me which border I have to travel over to get there if I start from the NE of Scotland?

What's the point of giving a detailed forecast for an area the size of half of Wales that a couple of thousand people live whilst condemning 7 million people in the South of England to leaving home without a brolly because there wasn't enough explanation of where the showers were going to be that day?

The forecast data doesn't get any more accurate in higher population density areas though 🙂

Just be glad you don't live in the Scilly isles or Channel Islands. They get mentioned once a month at most.

I'm in Wales and I don't have a problem with this article. If someone says 'just north of the border in Scotland' all that says to me is that they are sitting in England writing it. So what?

There is a lot of media coverage of the South East, yes, but far more stuff goes on there because so many people live there. Can't argue with that. I grew up in Herefordshire, which practically never got a mention on the news. But that's cos nothing much happened there. Even our 'local' news, Midlands Today, was a bit ridiculous because nothing ever happens in the Midlands at large either, besides some crime. Wales today is much more interesting, and if I want Welsh news I watch that.

Like it or not a large portion of the stuff affecting the UK happens in the SE, so that's why it's on the news a lot.

Re the snow - you should try a rush hour drive in a built up part of the SE. It's bedlam even in good weather, on a different level to the rest of the country ime. Then go there when it snows, and you'll see exactly why there's such carnage. It's not because Southerners are innately useless.

Can you tell me which border I have to travel over to get there if I start from the NE of Scotland?

As you are already over the border in Scotland, you don't need to cross any border to get there 🙄

Do tell

Born and bred Englishman. Living in England.