[Closed] Who's watching the C4 programme about Luton? EDL vs radical Islam

It's doing a fine job of proving that all extremists, of whatever persuasion, are complete and utter muppets!

Who you calling an extremist Binners?
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I quite liked the woman sighing and wishing that the boys would stop their pissing contest.

I thought I wanted to learn something about the state of extremism the UK..

I couldn't stomach it for more than a few minutes though

Gripping.

Both the EDF hard men, and the warriors of islam seem to like doing their gobbling off from behind the safety of a police cordon

TandemJeremy - Member

Who you calling an extremist Binners?

The Muppets I believe.

And he's not far wrong :

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/shortcuts/2011/dec/06/muppet-movies-communist-plots-revealed ]Muppet movies: their communist plots revealed[/url]

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waste of space the lot of them, I'm all for freedom of speech but they're all just trying to stir up sngst that isn't there

Anyone else think we should just take all this lot, put them in a room together and then, well, who cares what happens as they'll all be in a room somewhere out of the way and we can get on with not being surrounded by knobbers.

think theyre all uneducated idiots that base their ideals on uter crap that 99% of comes from the media..

well not the shariah law (dont think the daily mail came up with that)

Lots of people are afraid of any implementation of islamic religious law, but the same people tend not to be bothered about the beth din.

Northwind - Member

Lots of people are afraid of any implementation of islamic religious law, but the same people tend not to be bothered about the beth din.

I dunno, her tast in clothes is appaling, but shes got a decent voice.
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I salute you sir. The joke was merely good, but the choice of photo was a triumph.

Northwind - Member

Lots of people are afraid of any implementation of islamic religious law, but the same people tend not to be bothered about the beth din.

Cos they aint stoning women and cutting people heads off init.

That photographer's face speaks volumes!

Did someone mention EDF hardmen above? Do they go into reactors without their PPE?

😉

In all seriousness, I dont believe that a religious court should have any status in law.

If people volunteer to be judged by their peers, then so be it, as long as no judgements passed are legally binding, in anyway recognised in law or take the place of the established legal process.

Amen, brother.

Anyone else think we should just take all this lot, put them in a room together and then, well, who cares what happens as they'll all be in a room somewhere out of the way and we can get on with not being surrounded by knobbers.

Both the EDF hard men, and the warriors of islam seem to like doing their gobbling off from behind the safety of a police cordon

They may think they're hard but when it comes to action they're all talk. I mean, the EDF totally failed to deliver on their promise to reduce my domestic heating and electricity bills. Scum.

Was it just me, or did all the veiled female Muslim protesters, kicking off...

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Have an air of, well......

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I live in a totally "white area"and its very rare to see a coloured person.My doctor and dentist are the only ones.
I know that most of the population around here will have thoughts similar to the EDF.A pub landlord told me all his customers are racist and will make comments quite openly.
Where's the dividing line between someone wanting to maintain Christian values in what is still a Christian country and a racist.
Do i want to see women covered head to to toe in black showing only their eyes in my high street.No i don't.I can't see the colour of the woman beneath so am i a racist.
The leader of the EDF reminded me of a football hooligan from the eighties and if the EDF do want a way forward and a rational voice then he's not the guy.
Can't wait to see the programme on Thursday night about Bradford as i used to live there.

[i]what is still a Christian country [/i]

here we go...

It's EDL not EDF ffs! EDF are an energy company.

As you were...

I know that most of the population around here will have thoughts similar to the EDF

😆

EDIT: Beaten by Tom 🙁

EDF slogan = "Power to the People"

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Don't talk to me about EDF, the bastards.

I call it a collision of arseholes

Another programme that makes me think "Who'd be a copper?"

joeegg - Member

Where's the dividing line between someone wanting to maintain Christian values in what is still a Christian country and a racist.

Its not - its a secular country. anyone wanting to maintain "cristian values" is as bad and is highly offensive to me

Do i want to see women covered head to to toe in black showing only their eyes in my high street.No i don't.I can't see the colour of the woman beneath so am i a racist.

Why does it matter to you? What business of yours is it what people wear

Just remember, the arseholes are in the minority on both sides, everyone else is just getting on with their lives..

The attitude of the coppers really impressed me. They all wore a look of studied disinterest, like a teacher ignoring a class of unruly children.

[i]Its not - its a secular country. anyone wanting to maintain "cristian values" is as bad and is highly offensive to me[/i]

Strictly speaking it's not a secular country. But I know what you mean.

[i]Why does it matter to you? What business of yours is it what people wear[/i]

Quite. When are you lot going to let that rambler wander about wearing what he likes? 🙂

I'm all for the concept of a fight field. Let these muppets go off to a field to settle their differences. I'm sure there must be an underutilised bit of the Falklands we can use.

wwaswas - Member
what is still a Christian country

here we go...

Hi. Shall I start? 😆

Nooooooooo!!!!! 😯

I thought it a very illuminating program and not a little scary.
Perhaps the most telling part for me (they played it twice)was the beared one asking "what do you stand for" of the guy in his car. A very challenging question in todays society.

A very challenging question in todays society.

really..?

surely anyone not replying with a simple two word answer of tolerance and respect should be fired into space from a cannon..?

(I appreciate the irony of that statement)

surely anyone not replying with a simple two word answer of tolerance and respect should be fired into space from a cannon..?

Well, he'd get two words from me. And the cannon trip sounds fun. 😀

khani - Member
Just remember, the arseholes are in the minority on both sides, everyone else is just getting on with their lives..

Enough about STW, what about the EDL.....<boom, boom>

TandemJeremy - Member

joeegg - Member

Where's the dividing line between someone wanting to maintain Christian values in what is still a Christian country and a racist.

Its not - its a secular country. anyone wanting to maintain "cristian values" is as bad and is highly offensive to me

Time out!

I thought it was very interesting, and the bloke in the EDL did have some valid points, however what I found most interesting was that sayful islam or whatever he was called, had about twenty people following him and the EDL is massive, quite impressive that he has built such a huge organisation to oppose his minority group.

That and what the moderate Imham was saying that the EDL have a point about fundamentalists, however they then seem to have lost the plot about differentiating between normal Muslims and the loonies with microphones.

I did feel for the Police though especially when they were guarding them Muslim group as they were attempting to disrupt the 9/11 memorial service in London, by using megaphones to say that the 3000 people deserved what happened to them .....

Do i want to see women covered head to to toe in black showing only their eyes in my high street.No i don't.I can't see the colour of the woman beneath so am i a racist.

Even as a card carrying Guardianista, this also makes me feel pretty uncomfortable. I still support their right to wear it though.

Interesting watching the T20 cricket last night, there was quite a few women ****stani supporters in the crowd - most weren't even wearing headscarves including the ****stani foreign minister. We always see ****stan portrayed as a very conservative Muslim country, but perhaps a lot of the burka wearing etc in this country is a reaction to feeling under attack? (Sorry for random wittering, I'm not very well 🙂 )

Its not - its a secular country. anyone wanting to maintain "cristian values" is as bad and is highly offensive to me

I find your fundamentalist atheist views offensive, TJ. Please apologise 😉

I did feel for the Police though especially when they were guarding them Muslim group as they were attempting to disrupt the 9/11 memorial service in London, but using megaphones to say that the 3000 people deserved what happened to them .....

That right there would see the end of my tolerance and respect.

On my train station platform lately, there's been three posters urging me to go to an exhibition at the British Museum where I will, apparently, discover what's at the heart of Islam.

What a waste of money that would be. I already know what's at the heart of Islam...

[i]I already know what's at the heart of Islam[/i]

Exactly the same as all the other religions, I suspect.

That right there would see the end of my tolerance and respect.

Hence my massive respect for the Police in that situation, personally I would have let the crowd at them at that point.

I think that was the EDL blokes point, everyone is welcome in the UK, regardless of your colour, religion or background; however you should treat everyone with respect regardless of your personal beliefs.

Hence his attitude to the NF, BNP and Muslim extremists was pretty much the same (well in public at least)

Woppit, that exhibition looks fascinating - shame your bigotry won't allow you to go, you might learn something. (speaking as an atheist btw)

That right there would see the end of my tolerance and respect

shame your bigotry won't allow you to go, you might learn something

Nothing to learn that I don't already know, and tend to regard as risible.

What a waste of money that would be. I already know what's at the heart of Islam...

I already know what's at the heart of Islam

Cold war is over lets find a new enemey all very very 1984

wwaswas - Member
I already know what's at the heart of Islam

Exactly the same as all the other religions, I suspect.

Spot-on nail/hammer interface there, w. Well anticipated. 😉

tolerance and respect arguments kinda go hand in hand with freedom of speech. Of course "they deserved to die" at any memorial service is incitement of some sort and likely to cause some breach of the peace if not a full blown riot. Tricky thing to police tho.

Is it respect and tolerance of others beliefs...a maxim by which you yourself live?

Nope.

Nothing to learn that I don't already know

Presumably, following Junk's post, I will now be accused of saying that Islam is my "enemy". I think that's how it usually works on this forum. 🙄

From what I understand, at the heart of Islam is: tolerance and respect.

However as some of the Koran is written in a dead language, where some of the words have lost there meaning over time its the job of the Imham to translate these into modern language and this is where the issues arise, as some 'scholars' chose new translations which twist the meaning of the teachings, which lead to these extreme views.

There a muppets in all religions, be it Christians, Muslims or Atheists, personally I do my best to ignore them if at all possible.

Enough about STW, what about the EDL.....<boom, boom>

I loved the irony of the EDL guys impassioned speech in defence of the rights of gayers to bum each other, without fear of reprisals from beardy men. I suspect some of this followers with tattooed faces and pit-bulls might take issue with this

The best thing to do with all extremists is to point out how ludicrous they are. They don't get reet happy if the reaction their vitriolic tirades get is for everyone to point at them and laugh hysterically

What we need is more open mockery of extremist bell-ends

richc - Member
From what I understand, at the heart of Islam is: tolerance and respect.

You need to go down a level.

What we need is more open mockery of extremist bell-ends

Preferably in the form of cartoons in newspapers.

What we need is more open mockery of extremist bell-ends

I think you could get banned for referring to Woppit in this manner, be careful.

I suspect some of this followers with tattooed faces and pit-bulls might take issue with this

I think that was his point in the bit 40 seconds later, where he said if anyone does have issues with that, then they have no place in the EDL. Hence why the NF people got physically removed from the rally.

Whilst you may not like the bloke (personally I don't trust him an inch) if you are going to quote him, you do need to explain the circumstances.

Well, I think that was uncalled for. Would you care to explain why you think I'm an "extremist bell-end"? I'm pretty sure there's a forum rule against that kind of post.

However as some of the <insert holy book of choice> is written in a dead language, where some of the words have lost there meaning over time its the job of the <insert spiritual advisor> to translate these into modern language

I have never been that confident

🙂

Well, I think that was uncalled for. Would you care to explain why you think I'm an "extremist bell-end"? I'm pretty sure there's a forum rule against that kind of post.

Lighten up Woppit, can't you take a bit of poking fun etc? Calling for censorship/punishment due to feeling offended? How terribly ironic. 😉

You suggested that I'm an "extremist bell-end". I don't find it amusing.

Please excuse me.

Anyway, as wwaswas insightfully pointed out, the heart of Islam contains the same thing as all the other religions, IMHO.

Delusion.

Don't shoot me, it's just an opinion.

He does have a point though to be fair

[s]Which is?[/s]

Edit.

Actually, no. I can't be bothered. Have a nice day.

i dunno about extremist bell end but ignorant and biggoted seems about right

Id recommend the Chester Beaty Library in Dublin its a fascinating mixture of illuminated manuscripts from christianity, judaism, taoism, hinduism, sikhism and even islam, in some texts the prophet can be depicted in a cartoon form! hes on fire though kind of like the human torch from fantastic 4
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and the Manichaeism bible is amazing a religion bigger than christianity in its day but ultimately defeated and suppressed by christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

i think both woppit and the 2 lutonian muppets could learn an awful lot from there!

richc - I got the distinct impression that he'd verbally defend whatever the islamo-nutters were opposed too, just to wind them up. Hence his defence of homosexuality. Whether he means a word of it, however....?

I imagine if our beardy friends announced their opposition, or Allah's, to people buggering camels, then he'd be immediately popping up, defending everyone's inalienable right to bugger camels!

don't knock it till you have tried it. One hump or two.

kimbers, how do they feel about Mani from the Stone Roses - second coming?

im pretty sure its ian brown who thinks himself a god

(ive seen him live, he certainly isnt an angel with that voice)

What i found worrying was the Muslim chap saying he wanted to impose Sharia law on the UK...not hold a referendum, not wait until the muslim population approaches 50% of the UK population and then hold a vote....just simply impose Sharia law on a country whereby 97% of the population are not muslim.....gobsmacking really.
I also found his views on alcohol to be dull, his views against homosexuality to be abhorrent and his views on women to be beyond laughable....he came across as far more of a penis than the EDL guy....who also came across as a thug so thats not saying much.

We're entering the final days of knobbergheddon,..it'll be a movie in a bit
.....WHEN ARSEHOLES COLLIDE...coming soon to a town near you...

what was worrying about what the muslim chap?

do you really think anything he said would actually happen in this country

or even that many people agree with him, all the program showed were about 20 likeminded fellow muppets

edl guy throwing things at police for a laugh was far more worrying imho