I’ve found secret footage of suella braverman reaction to the news that Boris is standing for pm
https://twitter.com/rainmaker1973/status/1582752033509363714?s=61&t=gXSzoWJ3gmpqvrN1dnhlQA
Why not just put one out now anyway? Why not just announce some clear policies?
Why should they?
Why give the conservative party enough time to come up with either conter policies, exceedingly similar policies or ammunition to tear those policies down.
Why give the right wing media time to metaphorically shred a manifesto before election time?
Holding it back is absolutely the right choice.
If we’re going to have some incompetent Tory blonde bimbo in No10 we might as well go for a different one to last time.
Stop being mean about Penny!
Look how nice she looks. According to the article it's 'Ms Mordaunt'. Seems like there might be yet another vacancy. I could be posting on STW in future from No 10...
BBC reporting Truss's local cons association are grumbling because 20% don't have email and won't be able to vote 🙂
Personally since 2016 my view of the population has changed massively, I used to think the majority were pretty well educated to a point they could understand simple arguments and make up their own minds, but that was proven not to be the case, it's changed me as a person, barely anyone gets the benefit of the doubt anymore, I've become more judgemental, in my head I'm thinking most people are selfish idiots unless proven otherwise, prior to 2016 I felt the other way around.
If Johnson does get back in, it yet again proves we're still alright with digging a deeper pit of grimness, I just can't get my head around it, it was bad enough people like Piers Morgan are able to weedle themselves back into public favour, Johnson only left a few months back in utter disgrace.
He will get it though, he's the only one the Torys can hope to pull them through the next election but by Christ we've got to put up with mistake after mistake after mistake for another 2 years
Sorry, Waffling/venting - absolutely boils my piss we have to put up with this crap
Hmmmmm Penny! Great hair, great voice, authoritative, may be good with a whip…!? 🤔
It looks like the leadership contest will be a very tricky one for Tories. Much much trickier than previous leadership contest. I have a sneaky feeling Boris will become a PM again due to his popularity with the people. Strange time will create strange thing and another history in the making. Yes, there are also many people who hate to see Boris as PM again but this is a calculated risk Tories will have to take, because the other leadership contestants are untested. As long as Tories think Boris can give them the best chance to remain in the govt, he will be back as PM again.
I prefer Penny Mordaunt for a "fresh" start but rumour has it that she wants to retain Jeremy Hunt as Chancellor, if that is the case she will just put herself at a disadvantage. Jeremy Hunt should be kept as far away as possible.
He will get it though, he’s the only one the Torys can hope to pull them through the next election but by Christ we’ve got to put up with mistake after mistake after mistake for another 2 years
Assuming he gets to become PM again, he will face plenty of challenges in 2 years time and may not even be the leader leading the party into the next GE.nBut if he can ditch his "clown" act he can be a formidable leader.
scratch - level of education in UK is, generally, poor.
I'm completely unsurprised that relatively simple arguments are beyong the cognitive abilities of many.
Rather than make any attempt to inform or educate themselves, too many have a quick look at front pages of Sun/Mail/Express and mix that with whatever they've skimmed from FB and Twitter.
We've been living with the result of that.
Others just tune out completely - politicians won't do anything for me so why should I care.
I have a sneaky feeling Boris will become a PM again due to his popularity with the people.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1583507516818075650?s=20&t=dCa6dlYqQJ9y6t13mVL8SQ
You’d have got that feedback before he even became leader the first time round! 🤣🤣
Pollsters @Omnisis just asked voters what one word they would use to describe Boris Johnson. Here's what they found. pic.twitter.com/fSXi84vbH6
— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) October 21, 2022
That is a risk Tories will have to take with Boris. He might just bomb completely or might see them through for a while.
Has boris put his name in the hat?
with rolling black outs on the horizon you'd be nuts to go for it now! it's going to be the 3 day week all over again.
...But if he can ditch his “clown” act he can be a formidable leader.
😂😂😂
Utterly ****ing delusional...
A nation sliding down the shitter and certain people still seem to think they can put a positive spin on Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson, or make out that he's just one minor tweak of his character traits away from being PM material...
There's a palpable feeling in the air isn't there, Christmas is coming early for the nutters. They're getting Boris back, they're increasingly certain of it. He's going to ride that wave of libertarian ****tery right back into No.10.
This time next week Carrie will be reclining on the Chaise while he sits back in his Leather armchair both watching the news channels going bonkers... Our hero sits alternately swigging from a bottle of Bollinger in one hand taking bites from a family sized pork pie clutched in his other meaty fist.
"The Fools..." he'll utter through a cloud of pasty crumbs and spittle, a cruel sneer plastered across his chops. Carrie will giggle, he answers with a chortle, it escalates until ten minutes later They're laughing maniacally at how the combination of their good fortune and a nation's stupidity has landed them back where they started. An hour after that He'll deliver a speech that contains the word 'delivering' 37 times in three and a half minutes. 27 weeks after that He'll deliver by turning every NHS trust into a "franchise" selling the first one to Cigna Corp...
johnson won't do anything unless and until he's as certain as he can be that he's got 100+ backers.
I don't think it's anywhere near a given that he'll stand.
Liz Truss's local Tory chair warns against 'stitch up'
The chairman of Liz Truss's local Conservative association has voiced concern that around 20% of his local membership won't get the chance to vote because they're not on email.
Confirms a lot of what binners said in a post yesterday.😂
These relics are potentially deciding the fate of the country and they can't set up a bloody email address.
Let's face it, they don't even have net access.
We are skrewed.
Are there any defined policies from the varied Conservative candidates?
Or are only other parties supposed to produce these
Looks like we haven't seen anything yet on the tory civil war
This is from the editor of Conservative home
https://conservativehome.com/2022/10/21/totentanz/
Last few paragraphs are eloquent but brutal
The thought occurs that maybe the Conservative Party no longer cares. Perhaps the sum of its ambition is to become the provisional wing of the right-wing entertainment industry: happy to preach to a diminishing band of true believers, and good for a newpaper column or fringe TV turn, while Keir Starmer gets on with the tiresome business of actually running the country.
If so, it can look forward to a Prime Minister staffing his government with fifth raters, since the bulk of the 66 Ministers who resigned in the summer will refuse to serve. If a by-election forced by a Commons suspension doesn’t get him first. If the Tory benches don’t first vote down the report into his conduct that would trigger it, thus speeding the spiral of decline.
The Germans have a word for it: Totentanz – a dance of death. Conservative MPs, peers, donors, hacks and activists caper owards an open grave, with Death himself – sorry, Johnson – leading the procession. The dance possesses them; it has a momentum of its own; they are powerless to stop.
How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?
I didn't arrive at a conclusion, I asked you a question about a hypothetical voting scenario, which you chose not to answer...
So I'm assuming you're another closet conservative troll cos-playing as a "centrist" ignoring the statements Labour have made recently, the fact that we're not actually in GE/manifesto season yet and that the current government are still sitting on OBR reports and data that would inform Labour plans so you can try to deflect from the Utter shambles the Tories already are.
I don't doubt modern Labour have their flaws and agree that having 'not the Tories' as their main selling point to the electorate is far from ideal, but right now it's a better proposition than 'more of the same' for an electorate that can barely remember last month let alone give two shits about Gordon Brown...
johnson won’t do anything unless and until he’s as certain as he can be that he’s got 100+ backers
Apparently he's got 140 pledged already.
I don’t think it’s anywhere near a given that he’ll stand.
He would be daft to imo. Whoever the next Tory PM is, Johnson or anyone else, it is now all but certain that the Tories will lose the next general election. Losing a general election would do nothing for Johnson's ego.
If Johnson waits until Rishi Sunak or Penny Mordaunt has lost a general election for the Tories he can stand in the inevitable postelection leadership contest. If it all goes according to Johnson's script and Labour fails to resolve the mess they will have inherited, a more than likely possibility, Johnson can return triumphantly to Downing Street 5 years later.
His inflated ego might not let him have the patience to play the long game but I reckon his ego should be demanding that rather than the humiliation of losing a general election in two years time.
I can see Johnson keeping everyone waiting until the last moment before announcing his decision not to stand if for no other reason than dramatic effect. He is after all ever the showman.
And come the following Tory leadership contest he could claim that the continual pressure on him to stand was simply too much for him to ignore. It would be an act of selfless commitment to the country.
Johnson is running, just not officially yet.
Essex MP Sir James Duddridge says he has been in touch with the former PM, who says he is flying back from his Caribbean holiday to join the contest.
Duddridge tells the BBC's Jonathan Blake: "Boris is coming and he has the momentum and support. He is only election winner we have that has a proven track record in London, on Brexit and in gaining the mandate we have now."
The MP told the PA news agency he had received this WhatsApp message from Johnson: "I'm flying back, Dudders, we are going to do this. I'm up for it."
'defined policies' hahahahahaha
Sounds like a qoute from Capt Wee Wee Johns
Johnson is running, just not officially yet.
So he is holding out for dramatic effect then. I can't think of any another reason for not declaring his intentions other than relishing the "will he won't he" current media obsession.
He will want to make sure there is the 100 plus before he officially declares.
Plus he will want his media elite mates to hype him up as the second coming.
defined policies’ hahahahahaha
It's not really that funny. There is currently an ideological battle going on within the Tory Party. Liz Truss had very defined policies when she won the leadership contest a few weeks ago. She was subsequently spectacularly shafted by her own policies but that's not the point - they appealed to her supporters.
This leadership contest will also focus heavily on policy. If it is a straight Johnson v Sunak battle you can be sure that Sunak will overwhelmingly concentrate on policy differences with Johnson, as he did against Truss.
So he is holding out for dramatic effect then.
He wants to do the whole ‘I didn’t want to stand but I can’t resist the calls from colleagues so have to do my duty’ thing. Labour will be pissing themselves if Johnson wins. Sunak is clearly the biggest threat to them.
Is Truss standing?
She's so thick she could do it
A thoughtful quote from Johnson, that makes me feel a general election might be the full two years away if they appoint him…
https://twitter.com/tim_burgess/status/1513997127495602182?s=21
Labour fails to resolve the mess they will have inherited, a more than likely possibility
Not easy problems to fix for any party but 7 years is a long time before the election that will decide on how well people think Labour are doing. A lot can change in that time that can reverse a lot of the current issues which we be little to do with what any government has done but as long as Labour have done something that the majority will see as positive it may be enough although I realise the stupid people in this country will be returning to tory voting and forgetting about how shit the tories are for them at some point.
According to the news, Sunak is past 100 now and is in the running, Johnson and Mordaunt are “battling for votes”. According to the Standard at least.
The challenge is on to have Boris end with 99 backers.
Kevin Keegan will love it if that happened. 😆
Looks like we haven’t seen anything yet on the tory civil war
This is from the editor of Conservative home
He was interviewed on 5Live the other day sounding utterly fed up with the Tories, which made me chuckle.
Boris appears to be well on the way to 100. I suspect once he formally declares he'll hoover up a chunk of the remainder. You'd not want to burn that bridge and declare for someone not in the race unless you're a well known bozza supporter.
So I’m assuming you’re another closet conservative troll
Assuming stuff, without bothering to check the facts, can end up with you looking a bit stupid:
"We need a change of government. We need a Labour government.But we need a Labour government that will actually bring about the changes our society needs, not to just paper over the cracks."
Posted 20 hours ago
Oh. 🤭
It's the paramedics attending to head injuries that I feel sorry for
Assuming stuff, without bothering to check the facts, can end up with you looking a bit stupid:
Meh, still think your a closet conservative.
All this 'sounding caution' about Labour is a standard Tory deflection tactic now.
And you didn't say if you'd vote Tory or not, just that "we need a labour government" half the Tory party seem to accept they need to have a stint across the aisle now...
Nope this stranger on the internet is convinced that you're a Tory. But like all Tories I'm sure you can live with my disapproval... 😉
Meh, still think your a closet conservative.
All this ‘sounding caution’ about Labour is a standard Tory deflection tactic now.
And you didn’t say if you’d vote Tory or not, just that “we need a labour government” half the Tory party seem to accept they need to have a stint across the aisle now…
Every time I wonder how the Tory's get most people to vote against their own financial self interest I get reminded it's the Labour supporters doing that job for them.
Nope this stranger on the internet is convinced that you’re a Tory.
Ok. You believe what you want. In other news, the Earth is a globe... 🌍
Every time I wonder how the Tory’s get most people to vote against their own financial self interest I get reminded it’s the Labour supporters doing that job for them.
That's daft. Wanting a decent government who are actually capable of making the changes necessary for our society to survive, let alone progress, isn't 'doing the tories job for them'. Only an idiot would make such a conclusion.
In order for Labour to be effective, it needs to look at the mistakes of the past, its own included. And not make them again. And it needs to listen to all its members, and entertain a broad range of ideas. This is called learning. If Labour is unwilling to learn, it will be unfit to govern. Calling people tories for pointing out the blindingly obvious, it sheer stupidity.
Every time I wonder how the Tory’s get most people to vote against their own financial self interest I get reminded it’s the Labour supporters doing that job for them.
By being so insufferable, patronising and self-righteous that it makes you want to vote tory just to annoy them? Yes, I get that. It's like if there was another vote on brexit, I'd have to vote leave just because the remainers have been so irritating since they lost. Wouldn't want to of course, but would have to.
😉
'Idiot, stupidity, daft'...not very convincing techniques for delivering an argument or evidence, might be of some use in the playground.
…But if he can ditch his “clown” act he can be a formidable leader.
😂😂😂
Utterly **** delusional…
A nation sliding down the shitter and certain people still seem to think they can put a positive spin on Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson, or make out that he’s just one minor tweak of his character traits away from being PM material…
LOL! I did say "if". Yes, I doubt he can change. No, I am not putting any spin on Boris but merely saying the possibility(or not) of his chance. Having said that many people still like him.
T He’s going to ride that wave of libertarian ****tery right back into No.10.
Yes, I have to agree with that. Next he will be talking carbon emission or fairly tale energy source ...
This time next week Carrie will be reclining on the Chaise while he sits back in his Leather armchair both watching the news channels going bonkers… Our hero sits alternately swigging from a bottle of Bollinger in one hand taking bites from a family sized pork pie clutched in his other meaty fist.
So far I have left her out but I think her influence is there. She should simply stay out of it but then how can she avoid that being married to Boris. This is definitely not the climate for Carrie's giggles ...
By being so insufferable, patronising and self-righteous that it makes you want to vote tory just to annoy them?
They don't have to vote Tory though do they... there are more than 2 parties.
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That’s daft. Wanting a decent government who are actually capable of making the changes necessary for our society to survive, let alone progress, isn’t ‘doing the tories job for them’. Only an idiot would make such a conclusion.
Erm nope I was replying to cookeaa's comment (that I don't think was entirely serious anyway) and that's what most voters actually want at the moment... not "unless you sign up to ALL of these ideals/beliefs you are a closet Tory".
‘Idiot, stupidity, daft’…not very convincing techniques for delivering an argument or evidence, might be of some use in the playground.
What about calling someone a tory, when they've already stated they want a Labour government?
Erm nope I was replying to cookeaa’s comment (that I don’t think was entirely serious anyway) and that’s what most voters actually want at the moment… not “unless you sign up to ALL of these ideals/beliefs you are a closet Tory”.
Sorry. It wasn't clear.
They don’t have to vote Tory though do they… there are more than 2 parties.
But then if someone were to express their intention to vote for anyone else, they'd run the risk of being accused of more or less voting for the tories anyway...
Graham Brady and the rest of the 1922 should have a giggle by deciding to raise the threshold to 125 just as Boris and his headbangers near the 100 mark.
