He can make money anytime
Are you discounting his planet sized ego?
Yup, Johnson never entered politic for the money. There is little doubt imo is that what motivates him is his ego. He is a showman, a narcissist, who needs to be loved.
Politics simply provides a stage for his act, nothing more.
I am certain that he dreams of returning to the limelight, but whether he feels that now isn't too early to return triumphantly as the comeback kid is another matter.
One of reasons Johnson has been remarkable successful in politics, despite offering little beyond an affable bumbling self-deprecating toff, is down to his ability to read the room.
He is a very effective opportunist, he will carefully check which way the wind is blowing and base his decisiona on that. I would be surprised if he thought now was the right time though. If he was relying on Liz Truss to screwup I suspect that he might of underestimated her ability to do so.
Edit: Is there anyone who needs the money less than Rishi Sunak? And I doubt Sunak spends restless nights worrying how struggling families will pay their bills.
Cant see why Johnson would want to reconsider the role.
Churchill did the PM thing twice and Johnson does like to pretend to live up to his fantasy version of him.
If he was relying on Liz Truss to screwup I suspect that he might of underestimated her ability to do so.
As someone who always thought she was barking mad, even I'm shocked at how quickly she's blown it all up
I'm torn, part of me wants to see Johnson back just to see him balls it all up again, but that really isn't what the country needs right now, people are facing a grim winter and a prime minister drowning in scandal, incompetence & corruption is not what's needed
Remember when we used to take the piss out of Italy for having right wing governments which would descent into in-fighting and last only days..
ohh.
No I remember taking the piss about that, but I do remember being pretty disgusted with Italian politics.
And that link has reminded me that no matter how appalling the political situation is in the UK it isn't as bad as in Italy, which adds a positive angle that I had forgotten.
Silvio Berlusconi has claimed that President Volodymyr Zelenskiy “provoked” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
Not even approaching anything said by any former UK prime minister.
“There are no real leaders in the West”, continued Berlusconi. “I can make you smile, the only true leader is me.”
Even at his most moronic I can't imagine Boris Johnson coming out with stuff like that. Presumably Berlusconi spouts that sort of shit because his followers love it.
And whoever the next UK prime minister is unlike the Italian PM mentioned in the link they are unlikely to have a background with links to fascist WW2 organisations.
We’ll that’s just absolutely *ing brilliant then eh?
Let’s all take the positives
We’re not quite as bad as Berlisconis Italy
Hurray for us!
Maybe you could compile a league table?
How do we rank against Pinochet’s Chile? Gadaffi’s Libya? Hungary? Turkey? Is ‘Global Britain’ punching its weight?
We’re not quite there yet so everything’s peachy *ing creamy eh?
Brilliant! God bless ****ing Brexit!
We’re absolutely screwed and all this is the result of a bunch of racist idiots voting the way they did in June 2016, because there’s no way on earth any of this shit would be happening if it weren’t for the trade war the halfwits of this country decided to declare on itself then. Liz Truss was inevitable after that, as well as Christ only knows what comes next
Johnson coming back would just complete the humiliation, so it’s pretty much nailed on for this basket case of a country, which at the last count was 52% moron
I was a bit ambivalent with regards Charles Walker and his eviscerating comments, wary of giving him credit for stating the obvious.
This performance in the chamber is even better though.
@binners nailed it. Brexit is the fundamental route cause of this bullsh1t that the government finds itself in now. We are absolutely ****ed and the rest of Europe and the world is laughing at us.
View from the pub last night is it'll be Johnson again, quite a few folks unhappy about that though and think it'll divide the Tories.
Why would Johnson stand again? He's just been paid £100k to give a speech in the US, where he was no doubt wined and dined by his sycophantic mates, then went on holiday with his current family. Why would he come back to the pittance of a PM's salary where his every move will be watched by the press and he has to do some actual work?
Oh yes, his massive ego and this self believe that he did nothing wrong.
Yeah, from a non-Tory perspective Johnson is by far the least worst choice. His political instincts (for what they are worth) are to the left of the other candidates, and he's such a disorganised arse that he doesn't achieve anything anyway
Plus of course he'll have a running commentary on his previous occupancy of the position that may very well end up with a debate in Commons about suspending him and triggering the Recall Act.
It'll be hilarious.
If it's the piss stained sofa then starmer can do another list but this time. Telegraph....sacked, foreign secretary......sacked, prime minister.....sacked (sure there are more) and he's only back because the person who replaced him was worse than the person his bosses sacked.
His political instincts (for what they are worth) are to the left of the other candidates, and he’s such a disorganised arse that he doesn’t achieve anything anyway
His political promises are to the left of other tory candidates, the policy he delivers are corporate welfare and service austerity. Which he was rather successful in achieving. The disorganised bluff and blunder did not fail in passing the vast majority of his legislative agenda, the fact it didn't meet with the bullshit promises isn't a failure on him, it is a failure of those who believe his lies.
He will be back delivering churlish soundbites before we kmow whats gone pn.
"we delivered, whilst they dithered" was a classic bj. They could not deliver because you were the party in power with decent people advising.
I didn't mind the Tories being sensationaly appalling whilst, for the most part, it didn't have a massive impact on most people.
Since brexshit its been a competition to see who can be worse than the previous encumbant, which appears to have peaked with Liz.
The whole knee jerk mini budget and the following debacle must surely be the end of the road and hopefully we can have a shake up of the system.
Being from the home counties with w a s p background and acquaintances i know 2 full tory party members. Binnes isn't far wrong with his generalisations. I find myself cringing at the things they say, and their offspring aren't much better, if at all.
Part of the problem with Johnson will be his ability to form a competent cabinet, I can't see any of the three chancellors we have had so far this year getting the job. Hunt broke ranks very early to call for Johnson's removal last time and needs to make a statement on the 31st. At least one of them will have to swallow a lot of pride if he is to stay on
Hunt wouldn't be any where near a Johnson cabinet, the past few weeks have empowered Hunt as a party "grandee" Johnson won't want that kind of power close to him, with the ability to undermine him, so he would be quickly replaced.
I think it is 50/50 as to whether Jonson will succeed in coming back, it is a fight between the remaining grandees and the party hollowed out to become a leadership cult, and I am not sure who will win. The grandees might have the mechanisms to manouver the fight in their favour, but for the grandee's to win they will have to take the wrath of the membership for their manoeuvring and gamble they can move on from that, and I am not sure they have the fight to do so, IMO Tories are instinctively cowardly while shouting and boasting about bravery.
Brilliant! God bless ****ing Brexit!
We’re absolutely screwed and all this is the result of a bunch of racist idiots voting the way they did in June 2016, because there’s no way on earth any of this shit would be happening if it weren’t for the trade war the halfwits of this country decided to declare on itself then. Liz Truss was inevitable after that, as well as Christ only knows what comes next
Get a grip. Your daily brexit rant is yet again ignoring reality. There is a reason why Liz Truss's tenure as prime minister will be shorter than any other PM in history - polls are currently showing that more than half of the electorate, those "racist idiots" which you despise so much, would vote Labour if there was an election tomorrow.
The Tories, who represent probably the most successful political party in Europe, are seeing their support collapse in a way never before seen in their 200 year history.
The Tories are undergoing an extremely severe crises of idealogy. The current Chancellor of the Exchequer less than 4 months ago was passionately arguing that UK corporation tax should be slashed to 15%, last week he grimly announced that he would be increasing it to 25% next April.
The ongoing Tory leadership contest is as much about idealogy as it is about personality.
Liz Truss was inevitable after that, as well as Christ only knows what comes next
It wasn't Christ that I saw on the telly a couple of days ago but the pollster being interviewed said that their poll was showing that under present conditions Labour would win a 300 seat majority.
All recent polls show the collapse of support for the Tories is so great that in some cases if a general election was held right now the Tories could end up the fourth largest party in Westminster after Labour, the SNP, and the LibDems.
Now when the dust finally settles it is unlikely that the result will be quite that devastating for the Tories, but all the indications are that "what comes next" is a Labour government and a severely emaciated Tory opposition who will in all likelihood have lost some of their most senior politicians.
Presumably you won't want to blame brexit for that.
Sorry to piss on your daily doom and gloom rant.
I think Boris will be the fastest route to an election.
I think his majority will be reduced a fair bit of he gets back in as a number of mp's have already said they will give up the whip or defect.
He might be given the role and not be able to command a majority.
More chaos incoming
😂
Anyone but a Tory please.
If this was happening in a third world country, we'd have sent a UN peacekeeping force and a fair chunk of humanitarian aid by now.
I was going to write "I reckon our American friend will be PM". Then I remembered the Green Card issue.
So:
I reckon our American friend Alexander, from the upper east side of Manhattan will be back "in charge".
I'd very much like to know who turns down cabinet jobs because liar is smart enough to know that whoever is CX is going to have to be tainted, poisoned then "executed". Likewise, when our "special friends" abandon Ukraine after the midterms, the SSD is going to be fronting for a failed operation and finally the Home Sec. is almost certainly going to have to have blood on their hands when "robustly" putting down riots.
He'll need and want to stuff these jobs with enemies, not allies, but surely there are only catastrophically cack sycophants and psychopaths who would want be in his fridge cabinet?
tories in a skip trying to drag the flytipped sofa out 😀
That PeoplePolling poll above ^^ is showing a 39% Labour lead.
A thirty-nine percent Labour lead, jeezus
Sam Allardyce. He’s not averse to the odd bung either…
That PeoplePolling poll above ^^ is showing a 39% Labour lead.
A thirty-nine percent Labour lead, jeezus
Which is why there's zero chance of an election being called any time soon. 🙁
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
A thirty-nine percent Labour lead, jeezus
That's a bit of a test for even Johnson's inflated opinion of his own political talents. Unless he's entirely delusional, which is a possibility, he might just bottle it. But even then, the support he's already mustered means that he becomes kingmaker and allows him to knife Sunak again.
The Tories don't want to put this to the membership, they just want the frontrunners to come to a cosy agreement to put forward a single candidate. Boris is just basically choosing to screw this up for them before sauntering away laughing to give a few expensive speeches.
Hopefully his intervention will actually split the party.
1922 Committee setting the rules to 100 MP supporters manipulates the process to mean only two, or max of three candidates.
Sunak will get over 100, he did last time
Mourdant might, but probably not.
Johnson will get over 100.
That mean most likely come Monday it is between Sunak and Johnson, at which point it is turned over to the the wonderful party members, and we all know how balanced, sensible and smart they are..
Arise PM Boris.
I feel ill.
Boris actually has to stand to make that happen, though. And for that, he actually has to want to lead the Tories with opinion polls showing them not even being the opposition after a GE, into a winter which would destroy even a relatively popular government.
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The thing that won't happen:
A bunch of senior tories sit down in a room with Ben Wallace for a few hours and insist he becomes Prime Minister by appealing to his sense of duty and that it is "the right thing to do".
Wisely he doesn't want the job. Thats why he probably the right/only person. He would still lose the next election (those polling figures are terminal and the next couple of years will be worse) but if you want a PM to lead and do the right thing, get a good team around him that he will listen to, be capable of making some hard decisions, not be an idiot and try to calm things down and be respected both at home and abroad (at least a bit) I think he's the only one.
Nope, that will never happen. So we can look forward to some other nutter as PM and a bunch of clowns in the cabinaet, screaming about getting Brexit done better, free markets, crushing the unions, the woke. leftie, labour/snp/liberal/green, pro-NHS, chattering-classes, vegan, guardianista, all those bloody foreigners/slackers/wasters, send em all to Rwanda, channel 4 news-watching, etc. conspiracy. And the Conservative party will still implode/split a variety of exciting ways over the next couple of years, the problem right now is that they are taking the rest of the country with them.
I still want a General Election right now though so we can consign the whole sorry ****show to history and get on with all of the important things.
Which is why there’s zero chance of an election being called any time soon.
I am not sure about that. Now that the Tories can only be fully aware of just how total the collapse in their support is. And it's not just poll after poll but also the constant interviews on the telly of "lifelong" Tory voters, the exasperation of once loyal newspapers, and even Tory MPs publicly denouncing them, if the incoming new Tory leader sees the Labour lead fall to half of what it is now they would be daft not to cut their losses and call a snap election.
If there is one thing that this crisis has taught the Tories it is just how total the collapse in their support can be. A Tory prime minister can now look at polls showing a 10-15% Labour lead and quite reasonably think "well it could be worse".
Avoiding an early general election is simply likely to maintain their extremely high levels of unpopularity rather than enhance their support. Unless of course they believe that everything will magically turn rosy again, eg no cost of living crises, no high inflation, no demand for pay rises, etc. I don't think any of the likely leadership contenders believe that.
Haven't been following that Bonners fella but my god he does make some sweeping generalisations about people who have a different opinion to his doesn't he ?🤔🙄
The News was reporting Boris can count on 140 MP votes this morning... FFS!
Do people really not learn?
QT last night was great* even Rachel Johnson wasn't stupid enough to endorse/talk up her brother and seemed to be advocating for an election, Graham Stuart was a shambles. There were of course a couple of blowhards clearly getting a semi at the idea of Boris staging a comeback.
When the, mostly Tory, Cheltenham audience was asked if there should be a GE, 90%+ hands went up...
I found myself half agreeing with Tony Danker that maybe we should try to have 6 months without changing PM before calling a GE... But then what's going to change? It's the same party, the same splits and same characters in the frame as 12 months ago.
But as destabilising as it might sound I would now honestly welcome Sunak or Mordaunt taking the job and imiediately calling a GE for Dec/Jan because no candidate is going to be able to "unite the party" the splits are just too wide, irrespective of the new PM's 'Comepetance' the infighting will persist...
(*really depends on your definition of "Great" I suppose)
Which is why there’s zero chance of an election being called any time soon. 🙁
Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
You know when a job becomes so shit and a workplace so toxic that you just have to quit and find another job? A lot of Tory MPs will be feeling like that, and a lot more will if Boris becomes leader again. Remember he didn't quit, he was forced out of office by his close colleagues.
Unless of course they believe that everything will magically turn rosy again, eg no cost of living crises, no high inflation, no demand for pay rises, etc. I don’t think any of the likely leadership contenders believe that.
Yes indeed, there is an impending shit-storm which, in the eyes of voters, will reflect very badly on whoever is PM and whichever party is in power even if it's not directly their fault. As Gordon Brown found out. Just look at how often the 70s were brought up when talking about Corbyn despite that being 40 years past.
If Johnson stands, he'll likely win. If he didn't think he was going to win then he wouldn't stand in the first place.
That said, I have a very poor prediction history.
That PeoplePolling poll above ^^ is showing a 39% Labour lead.
Assuming they're to be believed (no 'verified' tick and the Twitter account is only a few months old), they're claiming a Labour vote share of 53%. That's more than every other party combined. 53:47 is what Brexinomics would call an 'overwhelming majority' or a 'landslide victory' - for simply doing nothing.
Remember he didn’t quit, he was forced out of office by his close colleagues.
But what was the motive behind their determination to force him out?
His lack of integrity? His lying? His poor choice in candidate for Chief Whip which immediately preceded his demise?
Or his perceived electoral liability?
What motivates your average callous self-serving Tory politician?
Could they back someone who for whatever reason might save their seat/arse?
Assuming they’re to be believed (no ‘verified’ tick and the Twitter account is only a few months old), they’re claiming a Labour vote share of 53%.
The last 8 national opinion polls have all shown Labour on more than 50% of the vote.
One even put Labour support on 57% :
https://twitter.com/omnisis/status/1583166416395509760
I think it's yellow vests o'clock. Time to get out on the streets and demand a ge
Do some arm linking and road sitting before that bill goes through
The polling models are broken. Ultimately, everywhere but Lincolnshite could chuck the Tories out if you believe them.
https://twitter.com/christhebarker/status/1583388241805209602?s=21
All comes down to the same thing though, the country wants the Tories out. That isn’t going to change anytime soon. Any hope of a new leader uniting their party and convincing the public that they’ve learnt their lesson and are putting the country first has already been utterly nuked by Johnson even suggesting that he could stand this weekend. He’s killed them, no matter who is leader next week. If they now stay for two years when it is SO clear that they are ruling against the wishes of the voters, then democracy will teach them a hard lesson… they won’t be back for a generation. It won’t be forgotten fast. And the risk for them then is that the younger generations coming through to vote will NEVER be won over longer term either… and they are gone for good.
they’re claiming a Labour vote share of 53%. That’s more than every other party combined.
Made me smile 😉
