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We some how strangely manage to communicate with Australia don’t we?
See my link on time zones in Oz.... various combo's of DLS on and off and at different times, then add in the UK/EU swaps seriously we managed to get people calling in for meetings a coupe of hours out during the fun fuzzy period. Getting out of sync is really quite annoying
I lived in Glasgow during the winter where they didn't change the clocks. It didn't get light until after 10 am - so dark on the way to school for many weeks - but was still dark on the way home as well.
Personally I prefer it the way it is right now
Most people work inside and those who don’t have enough sense to ignore the clock and work when its light. Can’t see real problems for most people if it was still dark until 10am.
Some of us work alternating shifts 07.00-16.00 or 10.00-19.00, outdoors, so during the winter we’re working literally in the dark! I carry several torches, because batteries run down quickly.
So whichever way it goes it’s largely irrelevant to me and the people I work with.
those who don’t have enough sense to ignore the clock and work when its light.
Eh? What bubble do you live in
The best solution is to put the clocks forward every day. About 3pm would be good. Then put them back again 12 hours later to maintain a 24 hour day.
I lived in Glasgow during the winter where they didn’t change the clocks. It didn’t get light until after 10 am – so dark on the way to school for many weeks – but was still dark on the way home as well.
Personally I prefer it the way it is right now
And conversely during the summer sunrise is around half 4 and sunset about half 9. Sticking to GMT would have that as half 3 mornings and half 8 evenings. My, that's not arse backward is it?
X2 on status quo.
The problem is really forcing a static schedule - open and close shop/school/whatever at a specific time - with varying hours of daylight. If you work in an office then it doesn't really matter what state of light/dark it is. The modern world is fixated on a 9-5 working day (or slight variants thereof) so there's pressure to be open/available during those hours to synchronise with everyone else. There's only a problem if you want to do something outdoors outside office hours: go for a bike ride, run, etc, in daylight.
You might argue that someone like a dairy farmer could milk his cows at any time but the regimen of time intrudes here as well as the milk tanker will arrive at a specific time or time slot so the milking has to be done by then.
@Drac - I work outdoors dry stone walling, the only time constraint I have is if I need to get to a builder's supply for anything but that's somewhat irregular. Generally though there aren't going to be many people in my position.
One of the traditional arguments for DST was the reduction in accidents, particularly in the mornings, but I'm not sure that still holds. When I worked in an office there was one junction near home where for a week or so in spring and autumn at "morning commute time" the sun would sit just on the horizon obscuring a long, fast, straight road. Really worrying pulling out.
The modern world is fixated on a 9-5 working day (or slight variants thereof) so there’s pressure to be open/available during those hours to synchronise with everyone else.
Apart from it ranging from starting from 6-10am.startd between people I know depending on industry and preference.
On top of that it's quite nice to actually know people will be available during a general day time slot.
Sigh - do you deliberately miss the point? It also helps if you read what's being written, understanding same would be an advantage.
Easiest way around this is to have GMT + and -BST, so add only 30 minutes in March or lose 30 minutes in October, job done.
The rest of the world is looking at this as well, not just Europe. All the swapping around causes all sorts of international confusion
Hardly confusing is it? that's just a BS excuse those people whom for some reason this is a burning issue for trot out to justify it being discussed at all. I mean the way all our computers, digital watches, mobile phones, in-car clocks, central heating system timers, electronic diaries etc all automatically switch between the times is very confusing and a real burden!! I wonder how they all managed back in the day before all this technology wiped our backsides for us and we had to go around manually changing clocks, re-scheduling meetings and appointments trying desperately to remember the little rhyme to remind us whether we were losing or gaining an hour etc.!!
I really can't get too excited about this issue and flummoxed as to why its an issue at all...either have your extra daylight in the morning or the evening in winter.....you decide...some people are early birds and prefer it in the morning, some are evening dwellers and prefer it in the evening...oh no not another issue to divide the nation! It's irrelevant anyway because once you're into winter the days are so short you're leaving for work in the dark and coming home in the dark anyway, so nobody's getting the benefit so utterly irrelevant. Just stick us on GMT and leave it at that as far as i'm concerned.
I would have thought that given the majority of contributers on this forum are cyclists there would be a bit more of a concensus for 'saving the daylight hours' especially for those commuting by bike. Is the central europe driven agenda because they generally have better more consistent weather (summer anyway) and are less affected by latitude. I was brought up in Scotland and in the winter walked/cycled to and from school in the dark whilst in the summer holidays we were still playing outside at 10:30pm.
Practically speaking I would like to move the clocks a long way in the winter so that it was still light at 7 or 8pm. Its either dark or damn close when the world starts to move anyway, in the winter, at the moment. Kids are in school and few of them actually toddle off down unlit country lanes by themselves to get there. Most people work inside and those who don’t have enough sense to ignore the clock and work when its light. Can’t see real problems for most people if it was still dark until 10am.
west coast scotland it wouldn't be light until the afternoons
I hate daylight saving time - stay on summer time all year round for me. I just love having a few hours of daylight in the evenings to do fun things. Couldn't care less about commuting in the dark in the mornings.
If we move to permanent summer time, does GMT cease to exist? That's something for certain brexiteers to froth about.