[Closed] Whey protien & ceratine use during weight loss.

Yes.

IMO don't bother with them. Especially not creatine.

you don't need them. high protein diet is enough.

*waves at iDave*

Thanks, Im determined to get the 6 pack back by spring...

*waves back, haven't forgotten, been busy*

ha no worries, like the idea of some running. Might be nice to prove the training ideology over say... 5 mile timed run? 😉

Thanks, Im determined to get the 6 pack back by spring...

What you eat will be absolutely key to this!

Creatine will mean your muscles are holding more water, which will increase your weight.

Decide what you want to do and then head down that route. If you're wanting to put on some size, then bulk up over winter and then cut in spring and get rid the fat for summer.

Cutting and trying to put on size at the same time is a bit counter productive.

Creatine monohydrate will increase water weight. Creatine ethyl ester doesn't do this so is more useful IMO. Whey protein is great post workout.

Both can be useful for fat loss. Weight loss is a bit of a misnomer as generally most people do not want to lose muscle, just fat.

Whey is extra calories so you need to take that into account. Creatine will add weight, but it's not fat:
[url= http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-creatine.aspx ]About creatine monohydrate...[/url]
[url= http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-creatine-ethyl-ester.aspx ]About creatine ethyl ester...[/url]

Whey protein is great post workout.

ideally id like to 're-distribute' some weight from my waist (beer tum/ love handles), and turn into muscle. i do gym for 4 days on, then 4 off. and thats split between cardio one day, then weights the next.

will whey protein help that, or should i just try to lose weight really and hope it goes from my waist and not arms/legs/chest?

cheers

Thanks for all your replies. I've decided to concentrate on loosing the added weight and then look at improving my chest and arms. I was perhaps asking for too much. Being a fatty is getting me down, people keep pointing at my jelly belly! I'm going to get my 6 pack back by March... I hope

Whey protein is great post workout.

why? how does it affect you? whats different about taking that rather than eating a few sarnies or whatever after a workout?

ideally id like to 're-distribute' some weight from my waist (beer tum/ love handles), and turn into muscle. i do gym for 4 days on, then 4 off. and thats split between cardio one day, then weights the next.

will whey protein help that, or should i just try to lose weight really and hope it goes from my waist and not arms/legs/chest?

cheers

Whey is a fast digesting protein which is what your body needs to repair itself after a workout.

The best thing you could do is read up on bodybuilding nutrition as without a good diet + effective post workout supplementation you are not going to get the results you want. You may not want to be a bodybuilder but understanding how your body works with regards to fat loss and muscle gain is key to changing your physique.

beware the snake oil.

Listen to iDave

Have you been diagnosed as creatine deficient ? If not then what good was it going to do you? Is it doing anygood?
The protein whey will give your kidneys a heavy workout, you might even feel better without that.

Have you been diagnosed as creatine deficient ?

A pint of milk has pretty much the same amount of protein as a protein shake. It also tastes nice, and is less likely to ruin your gut.

use protein. all these people will say have a balanced diet, but for me that did bugger all for building muscle. whey isnt just for mahoosive bodybuilders, so you may aswell try it.
i use this stuff and have been well chuffed with it [url= http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/impact_whey_protein ]clicky[/url]. pretty cheap, and good quality.
also, id only take creatine if you want to be a sprinter or something were max output is required for a short time. i dont take it because i go jogging and cycling where they last a bit longer. nothing stopping you if you do want to take it though.

Personally I've always had a very balanced diet, possibly a little protein heavy. However when I was riding "lots" (34 miles 3 times a week) I found I didn't recover by the next ride - I'd have sore muscles and the aches and not quite have peak power, it would take an extra day or so to recover than I actually had. I tried protein shakes and it knocked the pain down to one day and gave me back my peak power - both sides of the argument tested for 6 months riding so I'm fairly sure it's attributable to it. Creatine did absolutely nothing for me, other than give me stomach problems and gain water. It does seem to give a bit of an energy boost during the ride, but not more than I get from eating a nice chocky bar during a ride.

What I like is that whey protein milkshakes are around 150 cals and fill me up so I'm not craving other food, unlike sandwiches which are usually more cals or don't fill me up. I recently dropped half a shone in 2 weeks just having shakes for brekky and lunch and a normal dinner, and never felt hungry, sugar craving, or fatigued at all, unlike every other eating plan I've tried.

Crikey there is some bollox being posted on this thread. Advice to the OP, on the whole STW is not the place to be getting advice about diet and supplementation with regard to fat loss and weight training.

Have a read of the articles on here:

http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/articles-bodybuilding-supplements.aspx
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/articles-bodybuilding-nutrition.aspx

Whey is a fast digesting protein which is what your body needs to repair itself after a workout.

The best thing you could do is read up on bodybuilding nutrition as without a good diet + effective post workout supplementation you are not going to get the results you want. You may not want to be a bodybuilder but understanding how your body works with regards to fat loss and muscle gain is key to changing your physique.

thanks

Just to be clear, creatine will do nothing for endurance, so for cycling and running it is generally pretty useless. For weight training it is useful as it enables you to create more ATP, which is what the body uses to fuel short bursts of high intensity activity (lifting a weight or sprinting).

We had a talk from the guy who runs [url= http://www.cnpprofessional.co.uk/ ]CNP[/url] last night. Worth a look at his site as he has the pedigree - ex Mr Britain body builder, now working with Team Sky, various boxers and numerous football teams.

He has lots of information on how to achieve different goals on his site.

I've used whey protein with skimmed milk after weights. I'm much less sore the next day after it, but it doesn't really fill me up/stop me eating, so i'm consuming extra calories when i have the whey protein (not that bothered though as i'm not looking to lose weight)

My old personal trainer and sports masseuse recommend i take creatine when i was lifting weights to help with power - but i never did as weights are only a small part of my training (running and cycling make up about 80% of my training) and tbh, i don't like the idea of creatine. Creatine helps with explosive power so great if you are a sprinter, or weight lifter.

There's a good book about what to take/when/why - anita bean's food for fitness, or the complete guide to sports nutrition cover these topics. I think it was in one of these that said if you want to take creatine, take it when you are training for sprints etc over a 6 week period, rather than for endurance. One of the things covered is side effects like gaining weight due to retaining water.

Sadly you can't really choose where to bulk up or loose weight through supplements, it'll take a lot of work in the gym for arms/chest. All the blokes in my gym who are muscley drinking whey protein like there's no tomorrow.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/73956-whey-protein-drink-side-effects/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12701824

[quote> http://www.livestrong.com/article/73956-whey-protein-drink-side-effects/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12701824

oh god, not this again.....