Surely appropriate retaliation from a head of state is not just dumb racism?
Is that aimed at me?? That doesn't answer my question and has no relevance to my post.
Given the survival of the virus in the air I think one of the problems in Italy and Spain is the proximity of people singing/living on balconies. When I lived in Spain the ceiling height was 2.5m and the concrete floor 20cm thick, same in France. The head of a 1m kid singing/coughing on one balcony is about 1.7 m from the head of a 2m adult on another balcony and there are millions of them on the balconies. It's getting hot in southern Europe now, it's 9:45 UK time and I've got all the windows and doors open, if I were in a building in Marseille with over 3000 occupants that's a lot of people in close proximity even isolated in their own homes.
In China it was Winter and people lived windows and doors shut.
Not sure what part of my post was Fake News but never mind. Or have we got Chinese masters operating behind the scenes 😂
Kelvin, not having a pop but which part of the China American conspiracy thing is made up, is the Twitter thing a fake account, is he not a China spokesperson, did it never happen?
Genuine questions.
The Guardian relays an important message from Daniel Kim but manages to hide it in an article about Tom Hanks so it isn't seen in the headline on the home page.
All of it is fake @exsee. Fake. Made up. Not real. Fake. Check Snopes. It was written as a fiction, and repurposed as “news“ by a fake news website. It keeps spreading. Don’t be a part of that.
In fact, I suggest you visit Snopes on a regular basis
Going to leave this here but will refrain from commenting as the ramification are obvious.
Kelvin, seriously just post the link to Snopes. I've had a quick peek but missed anything relevant.
No queues nor containment spaces in either Pharmacy or Co-Op this morning.
People just going about their business as normal.
Considering the panic and shortsightedness, people seem to be thinking “yeah, so it’s only a few old folk that will die from it”” as the reality of the news gets broadcast.
And TBH that argument is valid point to answer.
Mass over reaction IMO.
which part of the China American conspiracy thing is made up, is the Twitter thing a fake account, is he not a China spokesperson, did it never happen?
Genuine questions.
I'm not sure which tweet you're talking about but the thing that's been debunked is this:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chinese-intelligence-coronavirus/?collection-id=240413
So if you're referring to that ^^^^^ it's been debunked.
If not who knows....
I must admit I'm pretty sure the MSM did say that someone in officialdom in China had made a similar claim so my *memory* agrees with yours.
Mass over reaction IMO.
There are now tents outside my local hospital. Even with fairly draconian restrictions we know cases are going to double a few times over the next 10 days here because the shut down is only 4 days old. So locally we have reacted much more and it's still perhaps an under reaction and you claim a country doing very little in comparision is over reacting. We'll have the verdict on who is right in a few weeks time. My money is on Macron being right and Johnson looking a fool.
@Tired Do you think that any of the European countries are heading for a better outcome than general. Germany on the surface seem to have a much lower mortality, especially if we are thinking they are only a week behind Italy.
Thanks for your posts, by the way, small islands of calm.
Matt
Mass over reaction IMO.
No, on your part, under-appreciation of what has already been set in motion.
But thanks to those with your attitude, it will be orders of magnitude worse than it otherwise could have been.
Mass over reaction IMO.
Bookmarked for when my mum dies, as she surely will if/when she catches it. Maybe you should try engaging your brain?
I hadn't read anything about a bio weapon conspiracy which to be fair was Ming's point that I said I had read similar. Oops sorry all. I meant that I had read about China claiming it may have originated in US.
This type of thing in the independent??
China/America conspiracy spat
Case doubling rate in Germany tracks all others, deaths are lower, however, (but still low numbers). UK looks most like Spain to be honest. Everyome is focussed on case fatality rate, which really is not the most important (it's not estimable as the denominator is not known and varies from country to country based on surveillance). What matters is the relative slope of cumulative cases and deaths. I've been analysing this for a week.
Don't mix unless absolutely necessary (typed from my loft office).
a Chinese government spokesperson suggested that the US Army could be responsible for bringing the new coronavirus to China.
Lijian Zhao alleged in a tweet that read in part “It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe(s) us an explanation!”
Yup, that's the one, I was thinking of.
I genuinely don't know if some people on this thread are just trolling because they are bored, or as thick as pig shit.
No doubt some fectard will soon say "Poe's Law"
I'm not great with numbers, can anyone explain why Spain and Germany have similar total cases (18k) yet 800 vs 50 deaths respectively?
Aging population?
Testing?
Edit, them's yesterday's numbers, now 1000 vs 50
Lijian Zhao alleged in a tweet
Yes, the fake news is being spread by people in prominent positions. It’s still fake. Don’t spread it. Amazing that a horror fiction can be either used or treated as fact in this way. Difficult times.
Not fake, just giving on the ground views.
Dont like it don’t read it.
People happily going about their daily business down here.
HTHs.
If you want to revel in mass panic, that’s your prerogative.
on the ground views
It was written as a fiction, reposted as fact by a site known to post fake news for clicks, and now taken as real all over China & USA. Referred to by a Chinese official, who might not even know its origin. Be better than that please people. Check sources of information, don’t just shrug of misinformation as “views” and spread it. Don’t be fed. Don’t spread.
I’m not great with numbers, can anyone explain why Spain and Germany have similar total cases (18k) yet 800 vs 50 deaths respectively?
Early in an epidemic, low numbers make things unpredictable - small variations in absolute number can blow up exponentially fast - a big difference now will just look like a time lag later (which is why we track Italy by over a week). So what one needs to do is compare countries once cases are growing exponentially. Then you estimate the time to double the number of cases and time to double the numbe of deaths. The death doubling time in the UK and Spain is corrently 2 days. In Germany it is 3.7 (but still small numbers).
Tim Martin really is a complete see you next tuesday
Wetherspoon boss Tim Martin defends decision to keep pubs open:
Responding to suggestions that he should not be issuing pronouncements on how to deal with coronavirus, Wetherspoons boss Tim Martin said he was entitled to make public statements on the outbreak.
“We’re a democracy aren’t we? I’m obviously not an expert, nor am I an economist, but i’ve got a view and that’s all I can say. People can accept it or not. Even if you’re not an epidemiologist you can look at what other countries do and weigh up what’s happened.”
Him and his patrons are half the reason we are in such a ****ing mess
I’m not great with numbers, can anyone explain why Spain and Germany have similar total cases (18k) yet 800 vs 50 deaths respectively?
Aging population?
Testing?
There could be lots of reasons... from national characteristics and how they respond to authority to who the cases are to numbers of ICU and ventilators to earlier testing etc. if Germany detected 2-3d earlier the deaths won't be for 2-3 days later... if germany tested more kids than pensioners etc. etc.
Even if you’re not an epidemiologist you can look at what other countries do and weigh up what’s happened.”
He's right on that point. And the overwhelming evidence is... Avoid social contact to reduce the rate of exponential spread.
Not fake, just giving on the ground views.
Dont like it don’t read it.
People happily going about their daily business down here.
HTHs.
It’s taken me 3 days and a source of helpers to get toilet role for my parents. If my Dad bets Covid 19 he will die there is no of he will. While yes there’s some panic the virus is serious it’s not just flu.
People have no idea what you’ve posted unless read it. HTH.
Guardian also reported similar story Kelvin. Seems to be relevant to trump's baffoonary
Guardian China/American conspiracy spat
I think the clues in the thread title “conspiracy theory”. I’m not coming on here for the gospel truth, just getting involved with all the doom mongering and worst case scenarios . There is far too much misinformation and half truth out there, even from established news outlets.
If it’s causing angst step away from the internet and go outside an enjoy a bike ride.😁
The death doubling time in the UK and Spain is corrently 2 days.
oh
I thought we were on 3 days. 2 days is lots less good.
People happily going about their daily business down here.
HTHs.
If you want to revel in mass panic, that’s your prerogative.
You sir, right now this minute, are thus part of the problem, not the solution.
No mass panic here. Just looking at facts as much as possible, forewarned is forearmed.
Hope you can see sense and stay safe.
No need to panic.
Every need to change the way you are doing things… not for your own sake, but for others.
I think that needs hammering home at this point.
Drs recalled to NHS from work are going back to our lab today to steal all the safety goggles, because they're intubating without eye protection & stressing !
Guardian also reported similar story
Yes, seems the Chinese government spokesperson *did* say it. Once you posted his name it was easy to google.
Just been tot he Post Office, passed the small industrial estate next to it.
All carparks are full, suggests everyones working normally.
Post Office, full of oldies and kids.
So tell me, if oldies and kids are in the vulnerable groups, what are they doing out and why?
Suggests most people thinking this panic is just that, panic.
And if you are looking for someone to blame because us lot are carrying on with life, then I suggest look at yourselves first before poking sticks at people who disagree with your POV.
There guidance is well known and broadcast by the bodies that are monitoring the situation, and they only "advise" and that's just what it is.
If you are unclear about what "advice' has been given or need someone to translate it into normal speak, then please re-read it and get someone to comprehend it for you.
As is, people as continuing normally. Obviously there are people who are self isolating because of conditions and that right, so they should. But people without symptoms are just getting on with life. And rightly too.
Apparently Southwold is heaving at the mo, all the second home owners have decamped from london thinking the clean suffolk seaside air will protect them just one carrier walks into the nelson and it's going to be carnage!
But people without symptoms are just getting on with life. And rightly too.
That is not the “advice”. If people are reading it in that way, then I now agree that the government has to move from “advice” to “instruction” … straight away.
Snopes is a wonder of the internet. For the thread:
https://www.snopes.com/collections/coronavirus-conspiracy-theories/
And general good advice:
https://www.snopes.com/collections/coronavirus-collection-prevention-treatments/
I’m not great with numbers, can anyone explain why Spain and Germany have similar total cases (18k) yet 800 vs 50 deaths respectively?
Aging population?
Testing?There could be lots of reasons… from national characteristics and how they respond to authority to who the cases are to numbers of ICU and ventilators to earlier testing etc. if Germany detected 2-3d earlier the deaths won’t be for 2-3 days later… if germany tested more kids than pensioners etc. etc.
I think Germany is testing more than other countries and therefore finding more infected, rather than only those already in/needing hospital.
German Bundestag is saying that they are unhappy with the amount of social interaction happening. Down at the river the other day there were lots of groups BBQing and generally treating it like a bank holiday.
The gov wants to observe what's happening Saturday and then they will decide whether to take more drastic measures besides telling people to stay away from others and not do anything unnecessary. Define unnecessary....
The Germans are very good at following rules, but up till now there aren't any. Bavaria's minister president will speak at 12:30 (gmt+1). I reckon he might announce more drastic measures than are coming from Berlin. (being a federal republic it means each Bundesland /state decides its own path.
if oldies and kids are in the vulnerable groups, what are they doing out and why?
Who has said kids are a vulnerable group? It's completely the opposite. No wonder you are saying its a massive overreaction, you clearly have not been paying much attention whatsoever
Anyone see the article on BBC about American college spring break. One chap says 'if I get it I get it. It won't stop me partying'. Thick as pig shit, or just massively selfish. Given he's made it to college I assume it's the latter..
And if you are looking for someone to blame because us lot are carrying on with life, then I suggest look at yourselves first before poking sticks at people who disagree with your POV.
It's not about points of view, poking sticks or caring about being poked. It's about following the guidelines for everyone's benefit. How you feel about other people's actions is of little consequence - it's important that you do it.
If you have a cough or temperature, then stay home. If you haven't, then go about your necessary business but don't go out socialising.
The schools closing is not because they are vulnerable to cv19, it's because like with all bugs, they spread like wildfire through the kids and then onto society, via the teachers' social networks; their parents and then potentially onto vulnerable grandparents.
Given he’s made it to college I assume it’s the latter..
he wasn't very tall then ?
if you are looking for someone to blame because us lot are carrying on with life
Man you could not miss the point more if you tried
If we all, in this country, follow the advice on social distancing, the whole nine yards, and get aboard the last chance train that is leaving the station right now, we might only have, 10 - 40k deaths, and this is spelled out by the report that the government are going on, as in the best science available.
If we fanny about, we'll see very, very many more, an order of magnitude more, and it will be due to people who couldn't follow the advice, who thought it was "fuss over nothing". Like you seem to.
But people without [s]symptoms[/s] children / elderly relatives / health /issues /any sense of collective civic responsibility are just getting on with life. And [s]rightly[/s] wrongly too.
FTFY
But people without symptoms are just getting on with life. And rightly too.
Soon to be proved very wrong. Asympomatic transmission is one of the strengths of this virus.
I may have mentionned doing 5 years at Welsh Water. Some of that was in the bacti bab. We all had to be able to bacti-test water sambles and interpret the results. We learned all about aseptic technique mainly because whilst false negatives were a near impossibility false positives were a pain in the arse (restesting, boilng orders, knocking on doors) and usually the result of poor aseptic technique. Most of our concern was with bacteria, the viral testing was a lot harder and less precise. We had contingency plans for not only what to do if our water got contaminated but also how to keep plants running if the populaiton got infected with something horrible -or a war or whatever;
Anyhow the kind of virus that we most feared was a virus with exactly the characteristics of Covid 19.
Easily transmitted
Low minimum effective dose
Long half-life in the air and on inert surfaces
People are infectious long before symptoms and many remain operational during symptoms and infectious phase.
Signifiicant death rate.
It's a very good virus and will be very hard to stop.