If people are reading it in that way, then I now agree that the government has to move from “advice” to “instruction” … straight away.
We're going to end up like France and Spain, with police and the army on the streets, all because of our pathetically weak and incompetent prime minister, and the arrogant ***** who take their lead from him. When that happens they will finally understand, and it will be too late.
Just worked out the logistic function for Italy.
Assumptions:
Assumed today is the point where new cases start dropping back (inflection).
I thought that day was yesterday. Now looks like it's still on the exponential trend 🙁
I think death rates will be hugely linked to keeping it out of the older population. If Germany has kept them isolated better than Italy/China they are in a better place.
We have been given advance warning of exactly what will overwhelm us. We must not waste that lifeline.
@bikebouy Most of Italy was just going about their business a matter of days ago and now there are houses sealed off with corpses inside as they just can't process them fast enough. Friend of mine in Modena personally knows 5 people who've died of it.
But crack on.
If you are unclear about what “advice’ has been given or need someone to translate it into normal speak, then please re-read it and get someone to comprehend it for you.
This is exactly why we need Bozo to stop waffling and spell out precisely what's needed, for the hard of thinking.
Tim Martin really is a complete see you next tuesday
Well, a clear consistent message from this government is probably still 100 deaths away…
https://twitter.com/guardianheather/status/1240965305960144897?s=21
If you needed another reason to never ever set foot in Wetherspoons:
I sat next to Tim Martin in a planning inquiry just when Weatherspoons were starting to buy up sites and get planning etc. He was as odious then as he is now. I sometimes wonder how life in Britain would be different if I'd just bumped him off there and then*. I'd probably be out of prison by now.
*not really
Speaking last night to a friend who runs a cancer ward at a london hospital -waiting for redeployment after sending everyone home they could- ICU there was full sometime wed night/thurs morning, incoming being diverted elsewhere.
As an aside, never really had bikerbouy down as one of the dicks previously.
Regarding the mortality rates in different countries I saw a stat that the median age of positive cases in Germany was 45 and in Italy it was 64.
Another anecdote rfrom my time at Welsh Water. Sewage works create aerosols as sewage is sprayed onto filters. Two sewage works workers became seiously ill having contracted tropical diseases from these aerosols from sewage from people returning from foreign trips, and that despite all of us having had vaccinations as if we were heading into worst possible destinations.
There's something in the air.
This is exactly why we need Bozo to stop waffling and spell out precisely what’s needed, for the hard of thinking.
Could be worse.
He might be standing up actively inciting hatred against the Chinese.
Well, a clear consistent message from this government is probably still 100 deaths away
That's, what, two days?
The schools closing is not because they are vulnerable to cv19, it’s because like with all bugs, they spread like wildfire through the kids and then onto society, via the teachers’ social networks; their parents and then potentially onto vulnerable grandparents.
I wouldn't bother feeding the troll... no one is so stupid as to believe that.
Regarding the mortality rates in different countries I saw a stat that the median age of positive cases in Germany was 45 and in Italy it was 64.
positive tested cases?
dantsw13
...I think death rates will be hugely linked to keeping it out of the older population...
But once they get it, they have a problem. I've been told that already our local hospital is running a DNR policy for elderly patients ie over 70.
Whether that is true or not, I do not know, but it's chilling if it is.
When that happens they will finally understand, and it will be too late
Sadly they won't. People as arrogantly stupid & selfish as bikebuoy will never admit that they are wrong, they will always find a way to ignore the facts staring them in the face.. It's just the way they are.
So tell me, if oldies and kids are in the vulnerable groups, what are they doing out and why?
Kids aren’t vulnerable not sure how you read they were. Some oldies are being stubborn, some are buying food as eating is important.
Not everyone can work from home hence why they’re at work.
I’ve just found out another friend has lost their job today. Easily double figures of friends I know now have lost their job.
He might be standing up actively inciting hatred against the Chinese.
Give him time.
My thoughts on the govt response are founded in what I was taught training for my line of work:
"While it's very hard to prove that an action you took saved even a single life, it's very easy to prove that action you didn't take killed someone"
Loads of jobs round here now, supermarkets, warehouses, distribution crying out for help. Two hours from contact to starting work, apparently.
yes, it may come as a surprise to those deep in the STW cocoon but the entire country doesn't work in the IT sector!! Only actually a small percentage of the population can viably work from home, everyone else (manufacturing, food retail/distribution, emergency services, bin men, roadworkers, even garages to keep peoples' cars running etc) is still working as normally as possible (albeit with some additional procedures to reduce unnecessary contact & social distancing/isolating outside of work). If everybody just stopped working and locked themselves in at home society would collapse within a day!!Not everyone can work from home hence why they’re at work.
I wouldn’t bother feeding the troll… no one is so stupid as to believe that.
Unfortunately loads of people are as stupid as bikebouy. As least the people that have been paying attention will be taking the necessary steps so will still even out the peak a bit and allow things to catch up with it and deal with it as it spreads at a slower rate.
As PM, I would have made it clearer.
- We haven't got the resources to deal with a lot of people getting this virus in a short time period so are instructing social distancing, not going out unnecessarily, closing schools etc,.
If you ignore that and the virus spreads at too fast a rate then you won't be treated in hospital as we don't currently have the capacity.
We haven’t got the resources to deal with a lot of people getting this virus in a short time period so are instructing social distancing, not going out unnecessarily, closing schools etc,.
If you ignore that and the virus spreads at too fast a rate then you won’t be treated in hospital as we don’t currently have the capacity.
That was the message made though.
Everyone needs to stop panicking, the Pope has got this covered...
Pope Francis Says He Asked God to Stop Coronavirus
and called on people to use these troubled times to get closer to their loved ones.
as well as getting God to fix it, he's making it worse
Also, no problems here, a good old mass prayer session will sort it:
Whoops.
Tesco are moving some staff doing back office roles to stacking shelves in stores. I'm pretty impressed with how the big retailers are reacting given the muppetry of their customers.
Anyone who goes out and socialises without good cause should be made to carry a card stating that if they do end up with virus they will be the very last in line for medical care and especially a ventilator.
The pig ignorance of some people is astounding. Don't people like bikebouy realise that by getting infected you are putting others at risk. Or are you just far to selfish to care. Genuine question because I'm intrigued by at people would think it's ok to act that way?
Took the dogs out to one of our regular 'quiet' spots in the country - car park was rammed with pensioners, had to go one to somewhere else. Lots of them driving around too - you can barely see their heads above the steering wheel.
Whether that is true or not, I do not know,
Don't post it then, please.
Dove biker - I’m doing similar - trying to find a quiet dog walking spot. Mine get a good run in the garden every day too.
I don't think this has been posted. 100% testing in small Venetian town stopped it spreading straight away:
Clearly this can't be replicated nationwide but surely key workers need testing pronto.
Anyone who goes out and socialises without good cause should be made to carry a card stating that if they do end up with virus they will be the very last in line for medical care and especially a ventilator.
The pig ignorance of some people is astounding. Don’t people like bikebouy realise that by getting infected you are putting others at risk. Or are you just far to selfish to care. Genuine question because I’m intrigued by at people would think it’s ok to act that way?
Well said. I'm just as mystified as you.
Clearly this can’t be replicated nationwide
South Korea did. Every case followed up and every contact tested if I've uderstood correctly. All contacts tracked down by their phone geolocalisation.
Belgium has been in lockdown for a week now and cases still rose 30% yesterday, probably because it took a few days for people to understand that this shit is real. Hopefully it will start to go down soon but there is zero reason to put anyone else at risk. They may then infect someone else and it may get back to someone you care about
slowpuncheur
Yes, I posted it yesterday I think, but certainly bears repeating, it shows that accurately identifying cases is just the first and most necessary step to properly slowing it right down - until a better solution, mass vaccination or cure, comes along. It is what the WHO are shouting about.
The 10 asypmtomatic case for every 1 symptomatic part is not good news, it means most carriers do not even know, for all I know I could be spreading it around.
Sturgeon sounds like a sensible person compared to ****waffle Boris, same message but she is repeating it clearly and effectively.
Sky are reporting gov advisors are saying social distancing is going to be in place for most of a year.
South Korea did
That's South Korea though. I welcome your optimism but even if our Gov made it mandatory (they won't) to take a test here, some would ignore it. See latest news about some guy on the Isle of Man ignoring his 14 quarantine and getting arrested. SK used mobile tech for good. We've got people on FB doing sad face selfies to empty shelves. I honestly despair.
Monkeyfinger. Sorry I missed it. Why hasn't Bojo mentioned (in words on one syllable) the science and the level of asympotomatic transmission? Maybe if more people realised the penny might drop.
Sturgeon sounds like a sensible person compared to **** Boris, same message but she is repeating it clearly and effectively.
Agreed, but I, apparently, am biased.
She's just essentially said " I don't have the power, yet, to compel you to do what you're told, but, FFS do what you're told."
Boris needs to get the same message out so that people do what they're asked before does get the power to compel them, because then we'd really be in trouble.
Boris with emergency powers is way more frightening than any virus.
Sky are reporting gov advisors are saying social distancing is going to be in place for most of a year.
I don't doubt it, but it's another depressing example of information coming from the wrong channels which will create rumour, panic and as we've seen on here outright denial. I firmly believe now that this is happening because Boris is too much of a coward to stand up in front of the country and deliver bad news.
Jimmy Savile would seem sensible next to Boris.
Hoping that the message is starting to sink in. In the office today, last week before we start a rota'd WFH system (we can't be trusted to WFH for 5 days a week apparently), yesterday there was talk of going to the pub at lunchtime. I was fully prepared to have the argument that it would be irresponsible to do so, but there was actual general agreement that it would be wrong to do so.
Hopefully if the message keeps getting drummed in to people, they might listen.
VisitArran have just put out a statement saying they are discouraging people to go over on non-essential visits. Applauds.
Sky are reporting gov advisors are saying social distancing is going to be in place for most of a year.
I can't see it working properly for that long unless you can keep everyone shit scared. Eventually people will just go back to their old ways.
kerley
Unfortunately loads of people are as stupid as bikebouy. As least the people that have been paying attention will be taking the necessary steps so will still even out the peak a bit and allow things to catch up with it and deal with it as it spreads at a slower rate.
As PM, I would have made it clearer.
– We haven’t got the resources to deal with a lot of people getting this virus in a short time period so are instructing social distancing, not going out unnecessarily, closing schools etc,.
If you ignore that and the virus spreads at too fast a rate then you won’t be treated in hospital as we don’t currently have the capacity.
Drac
That was the message made though.
Which specific message are you referring to. There have been so many, the only common part being they are unclear and inconsistent.
unless you can keep everyone shit scared
Seeing the neighbours carried out in a box may do the trick.