Regarding the situation in Italy, a thought occurred to me the other day as to why it should be so bad there, and I wondered if it might be to do with Italian society and the family. This might be a bit of a generalisation, but Italians are often remarked on as having particularly close family networks, with large families, from the elderly to the youngest living close together, eating and socialising together, with close links to the greater extended families, especially at weddings, birthdays etc.
This has been suggested, it is truly sad one of the great strengths of their society may prove to be an achilles heel. My sister lives in Northern Italy, at present safe and well, but if her situation changes for the worse, she wont be put on a ventilator, she is 61.
Something else I’ve just read, about the lack of infection in children, or at least the lack of severity:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/we-simply-do-not-understand-why-coronavirus-sparing-children-puzzling-n1147951?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Sorry for facecomic link but this is why we should probably consider being anti social for a bit! This is someone I know (this morning) in Frimley Park hospital.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157946561865449&id=700120448
China – lots of communal eating. Shared bowls of food, everyone double dipping with their own chopsticks. “Smashmouth” is a huge thing in China. coldsores are very common because of the food sharing
Generally there are separate cutlery for taking food from the shared plates/bowls etc and you then eat with your own chopsticks or spoons. There is a health scare out here every two years or so, bird flu, swine flu etc and that mixed with a tendency to eat and socialize(HKers tend to treat a restaurant like we treat a pub) means most Chinese have adapted over the years to minimize the risk.
Some updates from here, looks like my Shanghai and Beijing projects are starting to splutter back to life as the workers are slowly allowed back in. However we are now seeing a huge rise in infected cases now in HK as everyone returns back from Europe and the States.
The government have set up screening areas at the airport to test anyone with symptoms, if you have no symptoms you are still quarantined for 14 days and have to wear a tag to insure you stick to it. If you test positive straight to a local hospital.
There's plenty of toilet paper, apparently the big supermarket chains keep warehouses full of them as they get shipped in huge container loads and not individually as needed by the manufacturers.
Egg?
Fortunately we get ours from a local allotment guy. We’ve actually loads of them I should probably offer some out.
I’ve got a box on Infront of the door that I empty and quarantine.
We are doing the same with a lot of shopping. It sits in a box for a few days before we move it into the rest of the house. No reason to spread stuff around if we don't need to
The comments on the BBC threads regarding this being a "Chinese virus" and this being "their fault" and "they're going to have to pay" are really quite alarming/horrifying in equal measure. Is this really what we've become as a nation?
Information for surface here for those worried.
https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html
Is this really what we’ve become as a nation?
Not just the U.K. there’s reports across other countries of racial hatred. Remember the BBC media is also available to many nations so they may not be from the U.K.
I am not sure if we have become a hot bed of rscial hatred or if it's just been simmering away under the surface waiting for any excuse to boil over
Trouser Trump feeds the fire by calling ot a nasty horrible Chinese virus and it perpetuates out from that
Brexit comments being a clue to this
Blame Trump and his dog whistling. He coined the term “Chinese virus” and now uses it all the time in press briefings and tweets, despite being called on it multiple times.
Morning folks it's time up on the seven days this morning. When it started I thought back to work a week Monday to much mickey taking from friends and colleagues. I have commented to people in proper life a couple of times this is all funny until it's not. There does still need to be some gallows humour and light relief but seven days everything seems a whole lot more serious to everyone. From a small village isolation has been a mix of nothings changed - the world outside the window ticks on with the same slow rhythm. Through the second hand lens of other peoples experiences, social and proper media. Through that lens it feels like I'm in a low rent version of 28days later done by a couple of enthusiastic 15year olds in the holidays.
That's me clocking on in the rabbit hole
And as I've posted elsewhere - the answers are usually kicking about the place if you look.
Be excellent to one another folks and have a good day.
Remember the BBC media is also available to many nations
Lots of BBC stuff people link on here can't be opened "in your (my) geographical zone"
Madame's cold is worse with horrible conjunctivitis in both eyes. She's awaiting a WhatsApp call from the doc.
Lots of BBC stuff people link on here can’t be opened “in your (my) geographical zone”
Facebook comments show on their web pages.
Any posties in the house getting a steer from their employer?
No clue but I wish they'd effing ban junk mail now, not just from the postal service but random leaflet stuffers as well.
Trouser Trump feeds the fire by calling ot a nasty horrible Chinese virus and it perpetuates out from that
He's done things on a couple of level here by shifting the name from C-19 to his new pet name. The question is has he done it for xenophobic reasons or has he done it to compartmentalise. All the no it's rubbish being C-19 but all the very serious always knew this was a pandemic being attached to the pet name. Suddenly he's blame free in his head and the world kicks off in an awful way.
I'm still hoping to wake up one day and discover that Trump checked out Elvis style on the loo.
I'm a postie..... There is a new procedure for delivering items requiring a signature. Basically, we place item on doorstep, knock on door, retire to a safe distance. We witness customer taking item into their premises, enter their name into our handheld device,and depart. No signature required.
I do understand that some customers do not currently want post through their letter box. If this us the case, a secure postbox is a suitable alternative.
Think about making it quick and easy for your postie to deliver. Volume is up about 50% in my area. We will no doubt be short staffed at times. Personally, I also think that it's really important that we have time to keep an eye on some of our vulnerable customers. For some of my customers, a chat with me (from a safe distance) is the only regular human contact that they have.
oldagedpredator
Be excellent to one another folks and have a good day.
You are Jerry Springer and I claim my £5. 😉
I've not been in since my Tuesday postie shift and I've since had to start the 14-day self-isolation clock because my better half developed a new continuous cough (and yesterday she was breathing heavily as if she had done some proper exercise, after simply walking from lounge to kitchen to lounge in a modest sized flat)... I now think she has the real deal cv19.
I've still yet to cough at all, but I've felt really fatigued since Wednesday; developed a new scratchy throat; dull headache that won't shift completely with paracetamol; that cold/flu "brain lag" including some mild dizziness when I get up and walk; really achy shoulders; dull ache just above sternum; muscle groups literally just above knee really aching yesterday when I got up to walk to another room in flat... Really put the mild manflu19 I had from 27th Feb until 17th March into perspective!
But from last Saturday, we had a new national protocol to not directly hand any mail to recipients, we were to place them on doorstep if they wouldn't post through letterbox and wait for someone to open door and collect said items (having stepped back from door ourselves). If they were signature items, we were to sign PDA for them once they opened door and picked up items from doorstep.
Our union (CWU), without consulting the members, have offered our services as acting as an extra emergency service in these times of need and implied we dial back the "junk mail" deliveries. The narrow "yes" vote for strike action, by a much lower turnout than around September last year (which got blocked by the courts due to the General Election and some OPGs posting Youtube clips of small groups voting "yes" on their ballots before posting), has been put in hold during this crisis... Again with no consultation of the members.
He’s done things on a couple of level here by shifting the name from C-19 to his new pet name. The question is has he done it for xenophobic reasons or has he done it to compartmentalise.
Reports from the US are that there’s an increase of disturbances featuring people of Asian origin most likely due to this. His sabre rattling and ethnic segregation of blame at this time is very disturbing, the guys a nut job.
There does need to be a serious look at practices in China though. The risk of live markets and types of animals were well known yet allowed to carry on. Now this has happened China needs to take a different approach. Yes it could happen in any country with bad practices but China have some form on it and it can't just be shrugged off with the impact globally.
"If only we had someone like Heseltine, Ken Clarke or Gordon Brown in charge now. You may laugh"
Laughing, not at all. Any other PM from the entire of history would be preferable to the chump change in charge now.
PS Trump should be removed, inciting hatred at this time, what a waste of oxygen he is.
On a more comforting note - one of our friends is a senior children's A&E nurse in a large hospital (won't say which). My wife was talking to her last night and she said they are very well prepared for the expected rise in admissions and in someways sat twiddling their thumbs a bit as no-one is bringing their little precious into A&E with a grazed knee!!
Is this really what we’ve become as a nation?
Have you missed the last few years in Brexit Britain.? Racism is the new black.
Cheers!
His sabre rattling and ethnic segregation of blame at this time is very disturbing, the guys a nut job
Diversion tactics. His racism goes down well with his fans on the right, more moderate republicans shrug shoulders and everybody forgets the ginger Fwit shut down the US pandemic response department and his idiocy at the outset
The comments on the BBC threads regarding this being a “Chinese virus” and this being “their fault” and “they’re going to have to pay” are really quite alarming/horrifying in equal measure. Is this really what we’ve become as a nation?
Doesn't surprise me sadly. Tune in any week to the BBC's Question Time and half the audience is full of muppets like this.
in someways sat twiddling their thumbs a bit as no-one is bringing their little precious into A&E with a grazed knee!!
Yes, there has been a noticeable drop in unnecessary calls a drop there’s still some.
There does need to be a serious look at practices in China though.
The SARS- COVID19 originally came from bats (probably) but the vector to humans could be anything, might have been a domestic cat for all we know. The mortality rate in China is high because typically 50% of Chinese men smoke, and smoking and SARS is a pretty deadly mixture.
Wash your hands, stay inside on your own as much as you can.
Back to coalface
He’s done things on a couple of level here by shifting the name from C-19 to his new pet name. The question is has he done it for xenophobic reasons or has he done it to compartmentalise.
He's done it to appeal to his racist fan-base. Pretty soon he'll be pulliing "slitty eye" faces when he talks about it.
in someways sat twiddling their thumbs a bit as no-one is bringing their little precious into A&E with a grazed knee!!
My wife, nurse on an HDU ward, was more than a bit worried about heading in this weekend but was reassured after a chat with her boss on the phone, apparently it's all a bit quiet as folks really do seem to be heeding the advice and staying away unless absolutely necessary.
So, Madame had a WhatsApp video consultation with the Doc, picked up a prescription dropped out of the window by the doctor - no use of credit card or health card (that can wait), went to the pharamcie where there were 2m lines to stand behind in the case of a queue. Meds dropped in bag by staff wearing masks, no contact payment but medical card taken and handed back - the only possible vector of transmission in the system.
You realise Trump's reference to the 'Chinese Virus' is because he can neither write or say 'coronavirus'? That, and because he's a nasty little ****
The Yanks gave the world swine flu so they need to STFU.
Isn't nationalism brilliant?
Conspiracy theories are one thing fake news is another. Please don’t spread it.
Isn’t nationalism brilliant?
..while Rome burns and all that. Absolutely astounding lack of self-awarness:
Is it fake news that a Chinese minister started the American conspiracy?
Seems relevant if trump is retaliating to those tweets.
Surely appropriate retaliation from a head of state is not just dumb racism but a statement of facts etc.
This might be a bit of a generalisation, but Italians are often remarked on as having particularly close family networks, with large families, from the elderly to the youngest living close together, eating and socialising together, with close links to the greater extended families, especially at weddings, birthdays etc.
You may be surprised to learn that the rate of cases in Korea was much higher than other countries at the same early stages of the epidemic (from 32 cases). Then they seem to have completely flattened the curve, presumably through mass testing and social contact limiting. We will eventually follow. Just with less testing and a less compliant population.
There is nothing remarkable about the Italian data by comparison
@Twodogs try Horsey McHorseface on twitter. He's good on science for ACE but on a break from work currently due to his mental health.
Is it fake news that a Chinese minister started the American conspiracy?
Seems relevant if trump is retaliating to those tweets.
It’s not relevant. It’s not real. It’s fake. Don’t spread it.
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Perhaps post the Snopes debunking of this “UFO” fake news.
Repeat … this was written AS FICTION … and then repurposed as “news” by a fake news website for clicks.
DO NOT SPREAD IT
This seems a bit odd…
Not that they’re supplying tests to where they are needed, wherever they are needed… that’s great… but it’s surprising that doesn’t include us yet.
Wetherspoons still maintaining its income
Yes the boss' son is currently isolating because that's where he works and the alcoholics are infected and bringing it in.