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It's almost as if this isn't the first time this poster has interacted with the forum.
You need to look past national governments and look at the global bodies that influence them.
Tally ho! We're onto the WEF/global elites (what's that shorthand for?). Truly this has been a fabulous whistlestop conspiracy tour, and I, for one, will be sad to see it come to an abrupt close.
Seriously do the research
<marks bingo card>
Real evidence means peer reviewed or official stats and data that support your viewpoints.
You don't realise how corrupted the peer review process is do you. You don't realise how much scientific studies cost to run and that often what is not funded to run can be telling too. You are unaware who funds the journals, the MHRA, the FDA etc are you? You are not aware of how corrupted the WHO have become and who buys their influence through funding. Seriously do the research and then come back on here and give me your opinion.
Our parliament is little more than a puppet show at the moment.
Ah, now we are getting somewhere...... tell me, who is pulling the puppet show strings?
Shape-changing reptiles, or the global Jewish conspiracy?
You don’t realise how corrupted the peer review process is do you.
There it is. You finally threw science out the window.
Well done you.
Tally ho! We’re onto the WEF/global elites (what’s that shorthand for?). Truly this has been whistlestop conspiracy tour, and I, for one, will be sad to see it come to an abrupt close.
You mean this WEF?
Seriously, you can't get any more from the horses mouth.
Seriously do the research and then come back on here and give me your opinion.
JHJ?
Look - just explain to me in simple terms why a part of the UN would want to make me take a vaccine which is going to harm me?
Shape-changing reptiles, or the global Jewish conspiracy?
Shh...don't mention the Jews, we are only allowed to refer to them obliquely. I'm OK with the reptiles being out there though, the people need to know.
I am well aware who funds the mhra and fda, it is central government supplemented by the fees charged for the review of medicine registrations. The mhra gets a fee regardless of if the medicine is approved or not. Plus i don't need to do the research... i already did.
Please provide your evidence on the regulators funding models..... i will wait
Seriously do the research and then come back on here and give me your opinion.
Have you thought that possibly we have and have come to a different conclusion from you.
Personally I think there is a lot to be done to improve research eg open access and that funding bodies should require all studies to be register and published to make it harder to keep trying until the right results are found.
However I am not sure how this helps your conspiracy waffle.
Now do you have the NSW stats adjusted for vaccine takeup and at risk groups or not?
I'm loving where his links take me to though.
The last one was a YT video entitled "down the rabbit hole pt2"... With 13 comments.
Real persuasive stuff.
Back on subject.
We all had Covid in October/November. Wife picked it up and we all avoided it. Roll on a couple of weeks and my son caught it (rare night out clubbing) and was coughing badly and wiped out for a week. Then me and my daughter had it from son. OK first week, but struggled with breathing second week - off the bike 6 weeks - which was the pi$$er).
Roll on February and son caught it again from site visits (hadn't been anywhere else). Wife got it, then daughter. Son and wife were rough for a week, son again wiped out and a bad cough. Daughter just had cold symptoms. Luckily, I avoided it !
Real persuasive stuff.
but but but. Apparently they admitted to their evil plan.
As evil overlords they dont seem very good at keeping the conspiracy going. I guess thats because lizards dont understand how their prey think.
Double lucky, as my colleague had covid and was sat opposite me at work - she only tested at a weekend as she felt a bit rough. Back in on the Monday !
You mean this WEF?
We penetrate the cabinets
Seriously, you can’t get any more from the horses mouth.
So if the Young Global Leaders scheme is a secret conspiracy, why can I see a list of their members on their website?
just explain to me in simple terms why a part of the UN would want to make me take a vaccine which is going to harm me?
I'm guessing it's because someone is pulling their strings.
For those of you who still trust the Vaccine and what you are told by the Pharmaceutical industry, might I suggest you simply Googgle:
Vioxx
Will it get me put on a MOSSAD hit list?
So if the Young Global Leaders scheme is a secret conspiracy, why can I see a list of their members on their website?
It's not a conspiracy - it's all in plain sight. But if you mention it, or mention the un-democratic influence it has over global and national policy and health and science etc, then the spoon-fed cattle will call you a conspiracy theorist.
Pfft. You're already on a MOSSAD hit list, Binners. The vaccine just allows them to find you.
Vioxx
He's off again! Some drug from the 90's removed from the market.
What this had to do with the covid vaccine only be and the Illuminati know!
I'm at the point where I want to see a link from a ping pong fan site telling us we are sheeple and need to do even more of our own research.
Roger - Ill give one example of why levels of expertise is important.
Early on in all this "Dr" John Campbell was claiming that poor injection technique was causing vaccine injuries particularly that we were not being trained to aspirate after putting the needle in and before giving the injection. This seems highly plausible on the surface and has some foundation in fact.
However when I looked into it he was claiming the equipment that was used was long wide bore demountable needles
in fact this is decades out of date and no longer used. Actually impossible with the covid vaccines in use in the UK as the do not have demountable needles but are an all in one syringe and needle using short fine bore needles
so my expertise was able to spot this major flaw in what otherwise was plausible. a lay person would not have been able to spot this bit of misinformation that invalidated his entire argument and might have been convinced by his bogus claims
It refers to a drug made by merck that was withdrawn about 15 years ago due to cardio vascular damage and merck screwed up their testing and there is more than a hint of fraud around the data.
If you have any kind words for Roger, he won't be around for long, so make it quick. We are speedrunning the bugger these days.
It’s not a conspiracy – it’s all in plain sight. But if you mention it, or mention the un-democratic influence it has over global and national policy and health and science etc, then the spoon-fed cattle will call you a conspiracy theorist.
The WEF is just another, pretty shitty IMO, NGO. Campaigning and lobbying on behalf of their members interests. Just like many other, shitty, right wing neoliberals. They just want to make more money. Or is it controlled by the Elders of Zion? Makes you think.
Roger – Ill give one example of why levels of expertise is important.
Early on in all this “Dr” John Campbell was claiming that poor injection technique was causing vaccine injuries particularly that we were not being trained to aspirate after putting the needle in and before giving the injection. This seems highly plausible on the surface and has some foundation in fact.
However when I looked into it he was claiming the equipment that was used was long wide bore demountable needles
in fact this is decades out of date and no longer used. Actually impossible with the covid vaccines in use in the UK as the do not have demountable needles but are an all in one syringe and needle using short fine bore needles
so my expertise was able to spot this major flaw in what otherwise was plausible. a lay person would not have been able to spot this bit of misinformation that invalidated his entire argument and might have been convinced by his bogus claims
Okay so with your knowledge of healthcare, what's wrong with what Andrew Bridgen said then? What's not right about the data he presented in his speech? Here it is again to make it easy for you:
You still haven't told us? You keep on avoiding the question.
Really, how can you be sure? Considering for almost everyone except the elderly it was a very mild illness.
You know the Actual Risk Reduction provided by the Pfizer vaccine was less than 1%? And that was against mild to moderate symptoms, not hospitalisation or death. From their own clinical trial data. But you knew this, right?
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj-2021-068632
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35291437/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9375253/
http://www.immunodeficiencyuk.org/whatarepids/management/covid19vaccinesandimmnodeficiency
(I can keep going if you like)
grahamt1980
Full Member
It refers to a drug made by merck that was withdrawn about 15 years ago due to cardio vascular damage and merck screwed up their testing and there is more than a hint of fraud around the data.
Indeed and that's the problem. Conspiracy nuts point to an aberration and try to infer that that is the norm. It simply isn't but it's a classic conspiracy tactic.
You tell me, but the official data as presented by Andrew Bridgen MP in parliament is showing at least 1 serious adverse even per 800 doses.
That’s what he said. Do you disagree with this? If so, where is your evidence that this is not the case.
Hang on, you said it was 1/800 hospitalisations per dose. Can we please go back and you show me your working on that before I devote time to your next (and may I say, more credible) claim.
You said it was the German minister that said that and linked to the Unherd report which didn't seem to have that claim, in the article or the linked paper.
So again, where does that claim of 1/800 hospitalisations come from please? And where are they being hospitalised (it's not for me to tell you because I'm nigh on 100% sure there aren't up to 2.8M extra hospitalisations in the UK)
Agreed, i can give some more examples if he wants.
Tegenero is a good example of a trial gone bad.
A good book to read is bad pharma by ben goldacre. A bit old now but should be required reading by anyone in the industry
It is the norm dickhead.
Hunny, don't be like that.x
I'll be sure to raise all your points when I next see my haemotologist and tell him you said to stop the chemo as he is a Nazi trying to kill me.
Ok hun?
It's always the brief descent into abuse before the ban that gets me giggling.
Okay so with your knowledge of healthcare, what’s wrong with what Andrew Bridgen said then? What’s not right about the data he presented in his speech? Here it is again to make it easy for you:
Got a transcript or a summary? I am not risking throwing my computer out of the window getting annoyed by his windbaggery?
this appears to be a decent rubuttal of his claims and better than i could do
https://fullfact.org/health/andrew-bridgen-vaccine-safety-debate/
Haha FullFact, don't make me laugh. A bunch of journalists. You know who funds them right?
Surely if you are going to join a forum soley to discuss covid vaccines, you wouldn’t pick a mountain biking forum?
Roger, what’s your thoughts on the new sram group set launch? You thinking of upgrading or will the wireless connectivity give us all cancer?
It is the norm dickhead.
Pharmaceutical fines
An this doesn’t include the many thousands of out of court settlements
Now compare your "numbers" against the numbers of medicines in the market (both cx and rx please) and give me ratio for the number of industry issues against the number of medicines
Got a transcript or a summary? I am not risking throwing my computer out of the window getting annoyed by his windbaggery?
Now there's someone with an open mind for you! Haha!
roger melrose
Free Member
Haha FullFact, don’t make me laugh. A bunch of journalists. You know who funds them right?
Fair enough, it is YOUR job to make us laugh after all.
You've succeeded too.👍😂
Roger, what’s your thoughts on the new sram group set launch? You thinking of upgrading or will the wireless connectivity give us all cancer?
AXS of evil. Makes you think.
Now compare your “numbers” against the numbers of medicines in the market (both cx and rx please) and give me ratio for the number of industry issues against the number of medicines
Do you mean medicines that have gone through a full and thorough approval process lasting 8-12 years, or those of an 'experimental' nature rushed through under emergency use authorisation where contracts were signed to protect the manufacturers from any liability from harm?
AXS of evil. Makes you think.
Well done you!👍
Well, the lettuce beat him. He's gone.
I'll actually miss him a little bit, I'll go watch Ancient Aliens instead.
All medicines please (just to clear up a common misconception eua does not mean no approval, it changes the risk analysis and the method of review the volume of data needed would be approximately the same over time), you brought up vioxx not me, and that had been approved. Plus the issues and court cases you mentioned are for approved drugs. Admittedly some of the cases relate to off label inappropriate use, but still they were approved.
I am impressed by your ability to switch to a different attack line whenever challenged, just a shame you can't do that with your own viewpoint