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Jeez. Don't whatever you do read the replies to that tweet. So much toxic stupidity, I despair for the human race. Where's a nice big asteroid when you need one?
Worrying study published in Nature regarding the immune system damage that comes with covid infection, probably explains why my mates gf is dealing with so many patients in her ward with blood clotting/sepsis/haematology issues
It's an interesting study, and this is certainly a known feature of acute Covid infections - but there appears to be a crossover between inflammation and clotting with other infections too. It's just that the virulence of covid may be particularly efficient at exploiting/triggering these harmful pathways.
While stimulation with other viruses and bacterial products led to similar altered immune phenotypes in COVID-19 monocytes (Fig. 4), it seems likely that these processes occur with other moderate respiratory viral infections, as has been shown in seasonal Influenza vaccination66.
I'd be interested to see future studies on the persistence of these effects, the potential for longer-term inflammatory risks in post-covid patients is something that must be concerning a lot of people.
Have we done swivel eyed-brexiteer Bridgens sudden conversion to swivel-eyed covid conspiracy theorist?
how on earth does a sitting MP get away with this kind of nonsense?
A basic understanding of science should be requirement for MP?
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1609869913878831105
would love to hear a response.
Oh dear. All interventions are a balance of benefit and risk. It is tragic that some subjects may have died from vaccination, but the population benefit risk for prevention of deaths from COVID19 infection is evident and incredibly positive. Whilst it took a while to approve a spike protein based vaccine, I see little difference between administering mRNA to code for production of spike protein (which is not incorporated into the DNA and hence not gene therapy), and administration of spike protein itself. The spike protein induces myocarditis and this may be due to vaccine derived protein, but also from infection (something I am only too aware of) at much higher incidence.
As for the label for safety, called the prescribing information, this is a regulatory agreed product summary. These documents are gone over with a fine tooth comb - I've helped write them and edit them with updates as new information appears. The regulators (FDA, EMA, MHRA) have overall editorial control. They say how high you can jump.
Here is Moderna's prescribing information from the FDA. It is worth a read https://www.fda.gov/media/155675/download
Every approved medicine and vaccine has one, and they are worthwhile summaries of a product which I recommend reading for any drug.
Interesting that Bridgen has stopped hiding behind Parliamentary Privilege to make his defamatory statements. Perhaps Fauci should sue him for accusing him of 'developing a bioweapon' (I won't link the tweet, because Bridgen is a proven liar who doesn't deserve the promotion)
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/leicestershire-mp-lied-court-over-6969502
My oh's housemate lost her father yesterday 8 days after contracting covid.
Don't get me wrong, he was elderly and pretty frail but he went from being pretty stable to multiple organs basically shutting down within 8 days of testing positive.
We'll never know for sure but he likely contracted it from his son who didn't bother testing himself for covid even though his girlfriend had tested positive before he visited his dad in the care home.
He was in A & E for much of his time in hospital, it's a terrible time to go into hospital at the moment, not that, that's news to most of you.
I don't watch Campbell's videos any more.... he's been shown many times to jump to conclusions that bring in the views, but don't stand up to scrutiny. But taking your short synopsis... there were also studies showing that drivers wearing seatbelts results in more crashes... but also fewer injuries and deaths.
I don’t watch Campbell’s videos any more…. he’s been shown many times to jump to conclusions that bring in the views, but don’t stand up to scrutiny.
I also posted the link to the scientific study here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full
I assume you will be interested in reading the scientific study?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full
/blockquote>Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information.
Read the warnings on your own link FFS.
Joined Jan 3rd, posted a couple of times in other threads so as not to look too fishy, then BAM!....
Read the warnings on your own link FFS.
Read the actual data collected.
I also posted the link to the scientific study here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full
I assume you will be interested in reading the scientific study?
Says the vaccine offered modest protection.
True colours come through! 🤣🤣
Ha ha ha.
Says the vaccine offered modest protection.
It does. An Actual Risk Reduction on 0.85% against mild to moderate Covid symptoms according to the Pfizer trial data. Nothing about hospitalisation or death.
China have proved that your beloved lockdowns and masks don’t work.
Who knows what China did? The rest of SE Asia...
Covid deaths per million citizens South Korea - 630
Thailand - 480
Japan - 463
Vietnam - 436
Myanmar - 353
Singapore - 288
Cambodia - 178
UK - 2900
The recent Cleveland study has shown conclusively that you are more likely to get Covid the more vaccine doses you receive
No it doesn't.
What a bunch of losers!
Definition of loser: Creates new account regularly on biking forum to spam it with disinformation and abuse.
We seem to accelerating towards the point where they post explicit images just before the ban hammer hits them... again... so might be wise to browse the forum without images loading for a bit... 'till they're gone... again.
It does. An Actual Risk Reduction on 0.85% against mild to moderate Covid symptoms according to the Pfizer trial data. Nothing about hospitalisation or death.
And your conclusion is...
The recent Cleveland study has shown conclusively that you are more likely to get Covid the more vaccine doses you receive
I assume you will be interested in reading the scientific study?
Well I read this bit:
"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice".
It also appears to be commenting on the relative ineffectiveness of existing vaccines against Omicron, having stated in respect to the original strain:
"The vaccines were amazingly effective in preventing COVID-19, saved a large number of lives, and changed the impact of the pandemic".
Doesn't even stand up to the mildest scrutiny, does it? The dangers of 'doing your own research', I guess.
Tip for your next iteration: better if you don't directly link the (non peer-reviewed) paper, there are a few people on here who've actually read a few of these before.
Bollocks. I now recognise kt360's style but I can't remember his/her former username, quite frustrating. Although I reckon it will come to me eventually.
Definitely not a troll, definitely believes what they are saying, and definitely deeply emersed in the world of conspiracy theorists.
Edit: Used to have the username "arsebiscuits" I believe but has had a more recent one than that.
How is it possible to catch more of a fictional disease that has been created by our great leaders to control people?
Are you admitting it actually exists!?
Bye bye you fool ! Got to love you conspiracy lot, you brighten our day with your idiocy. I'd sugest KT360 reads all the other studies than some crackpot's video that's just click bate.
He's upset because everyone's called him out ! Ho ho ho.
No it doesn’t.
+1. What, if anyone bothers to read, it does say that at least one dose is effective. It cherry picks a bit, loses it's way a touch & doesn't quote the most relevant points of the 2 papers it uses in it's conclusion, which kt360 then either willingly or unknowingly distorts.
If it's not peer-reviewed then it's likely a load of bollox, and a 'colleague' will probably read it and hit them in the head for shoot data/assumptions.
Still a proud sheep in 2023, can't wait for my next booster.
The last line of the study:
"In conclusion, this study found an overall modest protective effect of the bivalent vaccine booster against COVID-19, among working-aged adults. The effect of multiple COVID-19 vaccine doses on future risk of COVID-19 needs further study."
As mentioned by Edukator on the thread you started but has since been closed, reduction of infection severity and morbidity is/was the goal.
Have they gone yet?
Ah I knew kt360's previous username would eventually come to me - it's veganrider.
Nah, he didn't think covid, or pathogens in general, actually existed. This is the rantporn poster of yesteryear, who appears to have fallen further down his rabbit hole, sadly.
Ah I knew kt360’s previous username would eventually come to me – it’s veganrider.
I think you might be right..
Have they gone yet?
Must have been booted as I don't think you can delete your own profile. And kt360's profile is now empty.
Nah, he didn’t think covid, or pathogens in general, actually existed.
This is true, although the earth-shattering revelation that diseases don't actually exist might have been put on hold for a more subtle approach.
Starting off by claiming Covid doesn't even exist might have been seen as a poor strategy. Although insulting everyone isn't much better it is probably harder to control.
Hopefully the poor mods will be able to perform a thread cleanse so it will be as if, like Covid, he never existed.
It must be like playing wac a mole for the mods on this thread😂
China have proved that your beloved lockdowns and masks don’t work.
so if lockdowns don’t work, what was it specifically that led to a recent explosion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in China? China reported (leaked) 18% prevalence or 1/6. The UK has never managed greater than 8% in the ONS survey.
The area under the death time curve is lower for the UK than it would otherwise have been because the lockdown led to a period of vaccine induced protection from mortality when it was rolled out. Had there been no vaccine, the. Your premise is correct and lockdown would have made no difference. We would likely have seen the original number of deaths projected by Imperial, albeit over a longer period.
The first rollout of vaccines reduced numbers of infections from Wuhan strain. Variant emergence meant that the vaccine-induced neutralisation was lower but morbidity and mortality was much reduced (by about 10x). That still seems to be apparent for XBB. If you have not been vaccinated then you are at the increased risk of morbidity for whichever strain you might catch. Benefit risk is determined by whether adverse outcomes for vaccine outweigh that risk. For adults in general the data shows a positive benefit risk. For the elderly the effect is huge.
Debate is healthy and choice is important, but the science is much more certain now that it was in 2020.
What a bunch of losers!
Well, that was fun.
Well, that was fun.
You know what I don't understand? Why someone like that doesn't bother to read papers & articles properly? Save themselves a lot of angst & grief if they did..
What a bunch of losers!
Well, that was fun.
Well, at least they did eventually show a willingness to listen, learn and adjust. If only on how you spell "losers".
MIL tested positive yesterday, along with 6 others in her care home, and now my SIL this morning who does most of the visiting.
She's fully jabbed and relatively healthy for 85 and with dementia, so could go either way.
I don’t watch Campbell’s videos any more…. he’s been shown many times to jump to conclusions that bring in the views, but don’t stand up to scrutiny.
That's being generous. He ranges from ignorant to downright dodgy.
Calls that facemask wearing while ill needs to become a norm.
Seems sensible to me, not least because it might make ill people think twice about heading out into public.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64161273.amp
Calls that facemask wearing while ill needs to become a norm.
Seems eminently sensible to me.