wife has to work from home again tomorrow, more angry confused nursery parents.
And yet my wife’s Yoga Class is still on and continuing to do so.
My Fat Dads exercise class, which is usually on right now, has been cancelled along with all the other classes she runs in the local hall, including Pilates and Yoga.
Yeah I’m reading all the counter arguments.. and to some extent understand those individuals positions..
But this a class held in the local school hall, a school that’s open, a school that’s not to far from a few of you lot in R’ogate.
#random
#oddsocialexperiment
they’ll have to
You never know......
Enough 'have to' moments might convince a cross section of society that seeing other members of society purely as part of a P&L account is not such a crash hot idea and so might not be quite so obnoxious going forward.
More mind-boggling stuff on the economics.
Helicopter money (already being done in the US), suspension of all business taxation, mass nationalisations, rent-caps etc. Who would have thought that a virus could turn us into a communist state? Completely bonkers!
We’ve also cancelled all Beaver/Cub/Scout meetings until further notice and been told by the Scout Assoc to halt all face-to-face contact with the kids
All face to face contact of any kind has been halted. No AAC or District AGM next week
Town very quiet in France today. Lots of people genuinely scared of the whole situation.
Oh no, sad to see that.
It is but has to be done as he won’t survive it if catches it. My brother is also isolation for 12 weeks.
Oh no, sad to see that.
It is but has to be done as he won’t survive it if catches it. My brother is also isolation for 12 weeks.
It's just the brutality of it all, having to make the I'm not going to see people until it's over decisions.
Then there's the split responsibility situation - one sibling does cover the others isolate. If, just if something is brought in...
We can do what we can do
It’s just the brutality of it all, having to make the I’m not going to see people until it’s over decisions.
"I’m not going to see people until it’s over just in case, and hopefully they'll still be around afterwards." That's what's brutal. The people most at risk are both the ones you want to see the most and the ones you most shouldn't. How on Earth does one weigh up taking the opportunity to go see granny one last time and tell her you love her whilst you still can, against potentially being the one to finish her off if you do so?
Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh.
The people most at risk are both the ones you want to see the most and the ones you most shouldn’t.
Yep. BiL has terminal cancer and is very unlikely to see the summer. My wife (NHS care worker) still wants to see him but that is a risk in itself. Square that circle!
@ dazh,
We're a long way from communism but the thought did strike me today that the government can pretty much do whatever it wants when there is a direct threat to people's health and the media hype it up. No matter how bad coronavirus is for public health, climate change and antibiotic resistance (resulting from factory farming for cheap meat) are way worse. I guess it shows how we can react to sudden threats, but are happy to be boiled slowly, until it's too late.
The other thing worth nothing is how the vulnerabilities of our system will be brutally exposed now, especially wage insecurity, privatisation of key industries, etc. I really hope that people will wake up and start asking why we can have casually drop 40 billion on a ridiculously outdated nuclear weapon system, and a hundred billion on a train which gets you to london 30 minutes faster but drops you off at the wrong station etc. etc., but not an adequately funded and staffed health system, the importance of which will be increasingly brought into focus over the coming weeks and months.
I feel we've become incredibly complacent as a civilisation and now, suddenly, we're having an existential crisis at the same time as a physical one. The latter will result in immunity at some point, but I'm not sure about the former.
Square that circle!
I only wish I could.
I guess playing devil's advocate, if you've had 40+ years to tell someone how you feel then either they already know or that ship has kinda sailed.
re: previous replies - really sorry to hear that. Easy to theorize about the situation but brings it home when you read those sorts of comments. Best wishes.
That’s what’s brutal.
Yeah, sounds horrible.
And the rent thing… they are a party of landlords… that one will only come after they are pushed into it.
Surprised Rishi didn't promise "whatever it takes" on this.
Not a renter (or a landlord) but I sincerely hope that something concrete is announced and implemented asap for those who are in rented accommodation who are going to need help and need it quickly. Surely it's a win-win, tenants keep the security of their home and landlords secure their (taxable) income too.
I'm disappointed that the Gov scientists data seems to have been flawed and they are now backtracking. I hope we haven't lost too much time. But on one Brexit related point, let's be clear.
1/ We've got an opinion and this is what it means
2/ New data has come to light and we've re-evaluated
3/ We should change our decision and do something different.
vs
1/ We've got an opinion and this is what it means
2/ New data has come to light and we've re-evaluated
3/ We should change our decision and do something different.
4/ But, ideology, so **** you all.
Let's not tar Whitty and Vallance with the same brush as Farage and co.
Well, I'm going to have to have a bust up with my Dad (78) as it sounds like he is being stubborn and selfish and is going to bugger off to the golf club as normal this weekend.
My parents still live together (in name only) despite the fact that they loathe each other and have done for 25-30 years. They really should have got divorced on the umpteen occasions it 'came close'. Unfortunately they mistrust each other so much both are convinced they will have a number done on them by the other.
But in the current situation it is all going to have to come to a head. My mum has COPD (most likely as a result of my Dad's smoking which he, thankfully, seems to have escaped any ill effects of).
So my mum is all keyed up for self isolation as she wants to get through and to be able to see her grandkids again, but the old man could scupper it.
****'s sake.
How I ever turned out as even-tempered and generally happy go lucky as I am, I will never know (with obvious winks to the many people on here I have had bust ups with - not all of which I have been blameless in).
Was the data flawed/backtracking, or was it always a just a matter of timing and it changed as evidence emerged?
My 99 y/o gran passed away today in her care home. Small mercy that her time ended as intended, not in an overcrowded COVID ward.
I don’t think she’ll get a funeral. Hopefully a big service of commemoration when it’s all over as she was an amazing woman.
On a positive note, ive got back in touch with my parents in spain who id kind of fallen out with. Being the pig head dick that I am it was mostly me overreacting. They are high risk but can bunker down so should be relatively safe and its good to talk to them at last. They are pretty pragmatic about it all so I'm confident they will be ok. I've seen two sides to this, the good side of people (local community helping with high risk groups shopping etc) and sadly the bad side (stripping supermarket shelves and abusing staff), quite frankly id rather wipe shit of my arse bare handed than hoard toilet roll at the expense of others.
Was the data flawed/backtracking, or was it always a just a matter of timing and it changed as evidence emerged?
This is scary if true:
The latest evidence suggests that 30 per cent of patients admitted to hospital with Covid-19 will need critical care in an intensive care unit, he said. Previous estimates, based on experience with viral pneumonia, were too low.
From here: https://www.ft.com/content/249daf9a-67c3-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3
I read a cold war book written in 63, Die Wand by Marlen Haushofer, it's also been turned into a film. It was like that out today. We printed out our attestation then went off to water and exercise the horses. Driving along the main road there were a few cars and trucks but back into the urban area nothing, like dawn on a Summer Sunday at 05:00 but in mid afternoon.
So sorry, dantsw13. 🙁
dantsw - so sad to read your post; my thoughts are with you.
and Belgium is in full lock down from midday tomorrow. Stay in apart from food/pharmacy shopping or going to work if there is no way to home work. You can still go out and exercise (bike/walk) but not in groups and stay away from others. Supermarkets are putting lines in queues so you keep your distance from the next person and limiting the max in the store at any one time.
We've really ramped it up fast here from last Thursday when there was a sudden uptick in numbers. Won't know for a few more days if it's starting to take effect. I think I'm happier with this approach though. It feels like we are taking the fight to the virus
I’m disappointed that the Gov scientists data seems to have been flawed and they are now backtracking
What backtracking they’re continuing on the model as planned bringing in different control measures at the right time.
Wait, what? I thought the plan was for us to get herd immunity?
My mobile basically stopped working for most of the day yesterday.
Ee say its across all networks, if it gets worse big communications challenges!
BBC News - UK mobile networks face problems
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51926565
That's me clocking on in the rabbit hole.
Wasn't sure what I'd post, maybe something about a predicted ratio of armchair theorising : touching human posts for the day. Thought 70:30 with an extra 9 pages on the thread.
In other news, FB has sent me nice messages saying I'd breached community standards on Spam on my own FB page. I haven't even been panic buying spam. The offending posts being from that hot bed of miss information the Independent. Some may see this as big brother - It's not. The Fluffy Bunny Protocal has kicked in - a lesser known automatic failsafe - applies when the proportion of cat memes to other posts falls below 30%.
Have a good day people
Have a good day people
You too, I'm off to school soon, not sure why anymore, my virus resistant herd isnt needed apparently.
You too, I’m off to school soon, not sure why anymore, my virus resistant herd isnt needed apparently.
Cheers - look after yourself
Was trying to put up the MapScaping map of home working, seems to be a fail on that.
Oh Christ! Things are getting really bad now. Are people not suffering enough?
https://twitter.com/rollingstone/status/1240093918814969856?s=21
I read to page 87 but its giving me a strange feeling in belly so I might have to stop.
My thoughts for what they are worth.
As a barber I am still working,(my diary is still full) we already work to appointments and I am going to add appointments where only one of us works at a time to introduce over 70 slots for those that are desperate. I know getting a haircut isn't important in the scheme of things but thats humans for you.
The over 70's that I know or meet are mostly a lot less worried than we are. They feel that they have seen and dealt with more than us and that we are being alarmist.
I feel that all bets are off and that life as we know it will change completely for a while, possibly forever. And I know realise that at 49 years old, growing up in UK that nothing major has ever happened to us, this our first time so its no wonder we are anxious, everything else has happened somewhere else in the world, to someone else.
Having lost my Mum to MND last January, I had to watch her lungs slowly stop working and I like many of you feel strongly in favour of a change to our laws regarding euthansia. If we get to the point of the Doctors having to choose who lives then they should be given temporary permission to help those suffering to go. I can deal with grief but not the thought of suffering. My Dad isn't a well man, he has a DNR in place and he says that while he isn't in a rush to go he is happy with what he has had, what an amazing man he is.
Stay safe people.
What backtracking they’re continuing on the model as planned bringing in different control measures at the right time.
Backtracking, revising, whatever - the point is that if new info comes to light (eg: timescale is faster than they envisaged) then as scientists they're big enough to say so and do it. As opposed to just pushing ahead anyway because 'ideology'
Sadly - partly because of previous pronouncements on the faith we now put in experts; partly because any sign of modifying/redirecting strategy results in idiots repeatedly pointing it out as if it was a sign of stupidiy / weakness, it's getting harder to admit you were 'wrong' nowadays.
We make a plan, we see how it's going and if it needs modifying we modify it.
Did anyone see Jeremy Hunt on newsnight ?
Was gobsmacking, he admitted that cuts to social care & not training enough doctors & nurses was a terrible mistake.
He's still an absolute .... for what he did as health secretary but amazing to see a politician admit it.
#Dracforsupremeleader
If there’s a lock down ...could I drive 3 miles from my house to my shop?
I wouldn’t be in contact with anyone.
It would be a perfect time to paint the walls and change the layout.
Facebook censoring posts about the virus now. You know when I said earlier we could be similar to a communist state? Command economy, police and army on the streets (soon), and censorship of social media. Good luck comrades. See you in the gulag 🙁.
Facebook censoring posts about the virus now. You know when I said earlier we could be similar to a communist state? Command economy, police and army on the streets (soon), and censorship of social media. Good luck comrades. See you in the gulag
Yet earlier on people were screaming for media to be curtailed blaming them for the rise in panic situations. Make your minds up, or stop moaning for the sake of it and do something positive.
Yet earlier on people were screaming for media to be curtailed blaming them for the rise in panic situations. Make your minds up, or stop moaning for the sake of it and do something positive.
As before - I have had three posts where I received a this is Spam and only you can see it warning:
1) Repost from the Indy FB page - comment from me "Oh" - Indy post about Domanic Raab
2) Repost from the Indy FB page - no comment from me - story around the whole is it isnt re-infection
3) Post from me - total nonsense arm chair theory, which my mates would understand is complete nonsense and sense of humour.
It was a bit flip because FB is and will be through this one of my main ways of keeping in touch with people. I don't really want to find out if they can suspend your account - that would be me properly socially isolated. Every day a new thing.
Anyway that's the minor trials of the OAP; posting to see if this is a thing thing.
Did anyone see Jeremy Hunt on newsnight ?
Was gobsmacking, he admitted that cuts to social care & not training enough doctors & nurses was a terrible mistake.
He’s still an absolute …. for what he did as health secretary but amazing to see a politician admit it.
Hopefully his Road to Damascus moment is as contagious in the halls of power as covid-19 seems to be.
My concern is that real power was leached away to 'the market' too much too long ago.
Facebook censoring posts about the virus now. You know when I said earlier we could be similar to a communist state? Command economy, police and army on the streets (soon), and censorship of social media. Good luck comrades. See you in the gulag 🙁.
Good. One less platform for the panic merchants.
Denying people a platform to amplify and spread shite doesn't equal censorship.
What backtracking they’re continuing on the model as planned bringing in different control measures at the right time.
+1
if new info comes to light (eg: timescale is faster than they envisaged) then as scientists they’re big enough to say so and do it.
+1. Top blokes. I can't imagine the pressure they're under. They've been lumbered with the near imossible task of trying to minimise the damage this does. I couldn't have handled it and would have walked away, I bet I'm not the only one. They deserve our gratitude not critisizm.
#Dracforsupremeleader
He does seem to be the voice of reason in this thread. Respect to him.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing!