It’s still only coldlike symptoms for me, but it’s the impact on what I can/can’t do, multiplied across society that’s the issue.
It will probably allow this wave to plateau until spring rather than dissipate as quickly as it arrived.
The next chapter reads more like the opening to a James Herbert novel, though. 🙂
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1489212914888318976
I tested positive a few days ago for the first time since the pandemic began. My understanding was omicron was supposed to be extremely mild cold like symptoms. My experience is far the opposite - this is the worst ‘cold’ I’ve ever had with additional symptoms like heart palpitations, stomach cramps. Not good 👎
Triple vaccinated
I found this an interesting review of Rogan's Malone interview.
https://twitter.com/grahamwalker/status/1489429245520580608?s=20&t=0U73D_c8XfVWhGyMJwwKcw
Thanks Pondo
Well, Sweden is now on track to remove all the restrictions that have been in place over the pandemic. Whilst infections have not gone, hospitalisations are down thanks to the different way that the later variants impact the people here (higher transmission, lower mortality).
Most people are now triple dosed now, but I have noticed a surge of people going on holiday this last month and, weirdly, a big surge in people taking time off because they had caught Covid. It seems people really want to get some winter sun and are happy to risk themselves and others to get it.
My understanding was omicron was supposed to be extremely mild cold like symptoms. My experience is far the opposite
This is one of the most annoying things about the misinformation that has been pumped out to the public. Most of the variants so far have mild (or no) symptoms for the majority of people who catch them, but there are always those who suffer a bit worse, such as yourself, and those who have far more serious problems.
The only difference with Omicron is that the percentage of people getting more seriously ill is lower than previous variants. We are still getting 2-300 deaths a day, and excess deaths I believe are still above a 'normal' flu season. The suggestion that it (or flu for that matter) is a 'mild' infection is just not true, and we should still be making reasonable efforts to avoid catching it, or to reduce the 'dose' of the virus we receive by wearing masks in crowded spaces and making sure family members isolate, even if their symptoms are trivial.
Hope you're feeling better soon.
We are still getting 2-300 deaths a day, and excess deaths I believe are still above a ‘normal’ flu season. The suggestion that it (or flu for that matter) is a ‘mild’ infection is just not true
We seem to be running at a consistent "bad flu season" for deaths*, and I assume the resulting impact on the NHS. Whether this is what winter respiratory virus's will look like going forward remains to be seen, but if people can't see the value of vaccination, hygiene, masks and other precautions to try and reduce the impact of Covid, flu and other viruses in future years then we really are stupid.
*purely a comparison of numbers, I know they are not the same thing.
I'd seen the figure of 5% excess mortality above a 'normal season', so that seems about right, but our deaths in the under 65s are still running well above average, so there is some detail hiding in the figures rather than the deaths simply being the 'normal' flu targets.
EDIT: Looking at the latest ONS handout, it has excess deaths running under a five-year average at the moment (albeit with 2020 omitted and 2019 included among those years)
I found this an interesting read. Not just for the content of the scientist interviews on what they think they got wrong but also on the subject of "....being proved wrong lies at the heart of scientific progress. In science, an unwillingness to revise your position is normally viewed as an intellectual weakness rather than a sign of moral strength. With this in mind, we asked leading scientists what they got wrong during the pandemic"
- which is something that we don't do well on here, IMHO of course.
Great article theotherjonv, thanks for sharing it.
Facts and our understanding of them have developed, situations have changed, opinions and advice will change.
I can't imagine anyone can have gone through the last two years and not have their views and opinions changed as the pandemic has played out.
This is something that has stood out to me over the last couple of months. We struggle with moving targets and the lack of absolutes. Every day I listen to people who are struggling to understand that the information has changed. So many people then take this to mean that the experts can't be trusted, rather than accepting that these experts have been doing there best to deal with something new.
I dont like the way people label the deaths in statistical form, completely forgetting these are peoples Parents, Grandparents and slightly overweight middle aged uncles, who smoke too much and have long enjoyed a beer or 5.
I dont like the way people label the deaths in statistical form, completely forgetting these are peoples Parents, Grandparents and slightly overweight middle aged uncles, who smoke too much and have long enjoyed a beer or 5.
At an individual level, any death is a tragedy. At a societal level, they are a logistical factor to deal with. Another thing that many people have struggled to get their heads round, for perfectly understandable reasons.
Zero deaths means lying down in a safe place to avoid disease or injury. And starving to death.
I'm bloody glad I don't have to make those kind of societal level decisions, and deeply concerned at the calibre of the people who have been.
Mugboo - well put.
I also struggle with a certain family member who cherry picks the bits she wants to hear, then that is the only information/rule they are willing to adhere to.
Also annoying are the politicians saying 'well everyone broke rules during lockdown'. No, the majority of people did not break the rules (we had longer lockdowns here in the North West) and because of these people, we're all in a much better place.
This is something that has stood out to me over the last couple of months. We struggle with moving targets and the lack of absolutes.
We just struggle with being wrong. Changing your mind on the basis of new information is clever behaviour, not moral weakness. But you have to admit you were mistaken first (or, increasingly misled or misinformed)
- people who are scammed out of their savings but suck it up because they won't admit they fell for it
- drivers who pull out wrongly at a junction but then yell at you 'because you were going too fast'
- brexit; all the evidence and still folks are insisting that this is exactly what they voted for
- my wife who'll take a wrong turning when we're going somewhere but will then continue that way instead of turning round because 'I meant to go that way'
etc.......
This is strange. Take the posts in this thread from either side of the globe, and people are constantly reacting to changing situations and knowledge. I don’t see anyone displaying particularly rigid thinking. That article contains some interesting hindsight and opinions, but some of it is just a repeat of arguments made years ago. The keeping all children in school comment especially. It’s not new news that children are far far less at risk than adults… but it is still a fact that children live with and are taught by adults… so the idea that we could have got this far in the pandemic without periods of most children being caught up in social distancing measures along with adults is still fanciful. We did let kids down, in many ways, and still are (it sounds as if year 11 are about to have their assessment criteria changed at the last minute) but they don’t live in a Sparticle Mystery type bubble away from all the adults.
When are people returning to exercise with Covid? If this was just a bad cold I'd probably be tempted by an easy spin on the rollers, no fever and barely any cough, but with Covid I'm worried about prolonging things...
It’s taken me a month after mild - suspect Omicron - Covid. I started with 40mins z1 cycle 3 weeks ago which exhausted me, and I’ve gradually improved to 2hrs Z2/3 with a very close eye on Garmin a body battery - which used to plummet - and HR. My resting HR is still above normal at 52 average from 46 before Covid.
The advice I took was to take it very slowly and stop if anything significant changed.
Thoughts on giving the vaccine to a 5YO?
We’ve just had a letter through, advising us that our young un should be 5G enabled
She’s had quite a few really bad coughs and chests over the last couple of years, but always negative tests. (Not easy to test a 5YO!)
She suffered from ADEM just as all this Covid kicked off, so hasn’t had an easy time of things.
Anyone have any (rational) concerns?
That guardian article up there^
The lady’s comment about schools I just can’t agree with. Everyone knew it was mild, that was acknowledged straight away. But as has been pointed out already, is she forgetting that kids go home to families at the end of the day??
Thoughts on giving the vaccine to a 5YO?
Mini batfink (5) had hers a few weeks ago…. Described a few pages back.
No ill effects at all - not even any tears when she had the actual jab.
There are reasons for/against. We came down in favour of her having it. I’m not particularly worried about her getting omicron, but who knows what the next variant might be? Also, my 11yo nephew has stage 4 cancer and is heavily immunosuppressed. As a result we are doing everything we can to reduce transmission within the family - obviously vaccinated people can still catch in and pass it on, but any reduction is worth having (in our circumstances).
Most of her friends have had theirs - haven’t heard of anyone having issues
Ooo... Excellent it worked.
Someone keeps leaving a lot of propaganda lying around in the break room at work. (I work in an NHS pathology department btw.)
This flyer would seem to imply that the vaccines have caused 1800 deaths but due to the estimated under reporting that number could be a lot higher!
2.5 million deaths from the vaccines worldwide.
But to the casual reader, this looks plausible.
There's copies of The Light(the uncensored truth) newspaper lying around which backs all this stuff up. Also an interesting article on how EV's are much worse for the environment than petrol engines which seemed a bit random.
Good news, that. The relative rate of deaths vs injuries in the EU is massive compared to us, so we must be doing something right. Another area where Brexit is saving lives.
Someone keeps leaving a lot of propaganda lying around in the break room at work. (I work in an NHS pathology department btw.)
At what point does leaving easily proven misinformation in an NHS workace some sort of misconduct charge?
Freedom of speech and all that I get, but to undermine your employers key strategy for public health and to keep the organisation from collapsing crosses some sort of line, surely?
Good point.
But I'd like to think that most of the people who see this stuff here will immediately write it off as nonsense, we're all mostly critical thinking "scientists" after all. If it was being left in a patient waiting room then that would be a different matter (maybe it is, I don't venture out there!)
I guess if there was some sort of management guidance sent out saying please don't leave this sh*t lying around it would just play into the conspiracy theorists hands that they're being censored (exactly what The Light bangs on about a lot.)
We'll finally caught it this week. Started coughing last Sunday, slept for two days and incrementally got better through the week.
Still +'ve a week later so look like full 10 days isolation for me.
What's worse, from feeling good Friday I now feel like crap again.
Freedom of speech and all that I get
Applies to public places, in the workplace it's their gaff and their rules.
2 days ago in The Guardian there are scientists giving their version of why they were wrong at certain points of the pandemic and they have changed their minds in the light of changing knowledge.
I guess if there was some sort of management guidance sent out saying please don’t leave this sh*t lying around it would just play into the conspiracy theorists hands that they’re being censored
If we censored more idiots things might be going more smoothly!
Can anyone here with better Google fu than me point to the current advice on doing lateral flows after having had covid and doing the isolation time. Should Mrs anagallis be doing them for school
Here's something.
I got it in January (the 10th, my wee boy brought it home from nursery)my wife and I were both triple jabbed in December. No real issues, bad cold symptoms and a lingering morning cough.
I've been taking part in the ONS study. So February's PCR on Thursday 3rd came back negative.
Why would that be, I thought we were to avoid PCRs for 90days.
As for long COVID. In 2015 while working in Immingham I had long something. I was absolutely floored. The gp shrugged and said I had a post viral infection. I struggled for 6 months. No bike no gym nothing. I struggled each day lifting access platforms, while my team wouldn't stop during a lift, I had to take a lot of breaks to get my strength back. Long COVID concerns me but so far I seem ok.
Doesn't answer the question as far as I can see.
Should Mrs anagallis be doing them for school
I guess the correct answer is "What does school say?"
Daughter (pupil) had it early December. She was negative on LFTs before returning to school after the Christmas holiday, and testing negative twice a week.
Can anyone here with better Google fu than me point to the current advice on doing lateral flows after having had covid and doing the isolation time. Should Mrs anagallis be doing them for school
Test from day 5, you need 2 24 hours apart to be negative but you continue to test to day 10.
Why would that be, I thought we were to avoid PCRs for 90days.
Your a sample of 1 it could be that it’s dropped off faster in yourself. This is why they use people for studies to get more data.
Argh....
Local hospital (situated in a fairly quiet residential area, 1 small road in/out)
Decided to launch a drive-thru testing centre this morning. Absolute chaos on the roads. Chocca. (Odd to launch here as 3 days ago we had a huge bush fire and the hospital was * this close to being evacuated). Really badly thought out.
State Prem's been at a site where someone tested +ve so now he's in iso.
Local tally is nudging 300 now (a jump of a hundred or so since Friday). Probably the biggest daily jump we've had.
Jamiemcf what you describe sounds like chronic fatigue syndrome. A classic symptom of this is post exercise malaise. Do you recall doing a significant amount of exercise prior to this episode? Do you feel like it takes you quite a while to recover from strenuous activity?
I get this sometimes. There is no test a gp can undertake for this. From what I read online (peer reviewed- not bro science) it’s to do with how the cells in the body do not recover energy quick enough because the body lacks an enzyme called ribose. Ribose pushes the energy into cells - lacking this, fatigue insures. Funnily enough the fatigue I feel right now with covid is exactly the same as I feel after a CFS flare up.
I supplement post exercise recovery with d ribose and sure enough, I recover much quicker.
Jamie - it says PCR “CAN” show up positive for 90 days, not “Will”
AA - I had similar with my vaccinating work & the NHS - very little guidance. Our trust policy is you stay off until LFT -ve regardless of the number of days.
Having personally had it 19 Dec & 31 Jan, the 2 different omicron strains can both be caught back to back, so from a personal POV I’d keep testing.
Still crap for the vulnerable though.
@reeksy any other info you can share on this as I'm in that category. I now have a PCR test at home via the scheme which allows rapid access to drugs such as Sotrovimab if I test positive. I think the govt have done as good as job as they can for people like me, and the world can't stop turning due to a few outliers. Before I got on the scheme I was really worried about catching Covid but now I feel a lot more relaxed and beginning to venture out more. Luckily I have a hobby that means I can avoid crowds and still get out and about.
Test from day 5, you need 2 24 hours apart to be negative but you continue to test to day 10.
We've done that, she's back at school, does she recommence the 3 times a week testing is the question, hopefully her school will have an answer.
It was the case that people confirmed positive didn't need to test but now it's confused to say the least.
We’ve done that, she’s back at school, does she recommence the 3 times a week testing is the question, hopefully her school will have an answer.
It was the case that people confirmed positive didn’t need to test but now it’s confused to say the least.
I couldn't find a definitive answer to this when I looked at the end of December. I ended my isolation after 10 days, at which point I was still testing positive on LTFs. I then continued to test every day or two until I tested negative so that I knew when I could start meaningfully testing again. I think I started testing negative around day 15 or 16. I didn't report any of the positive results after my initial one.
@shinton that was really a generalised comment, that people are acting as if being vaccinated means it’s all back to normal, but there are vulnerable people who cannot get vaccinated or even if they can are still at risk.
Teacher in the house, still testing positive on LFT, and back in the classroom. This is after a January infection. Last year the positive LFTs continued for nearly 3 months after positive PCR (while back in the classroom). As impatientbull says... testing to see when it does tail off... but not excluded from the work place while still returning positive LFT after 10 days after initial positive test (for that infection)... that's the policy for her school. How that works going forward, if people are getting reinfected within a few months, I don't know.
We’ve done that, she’s back at school, does she recommence the 3 times a week testing is the question, hopefully her school will have an answer.
It was the case that people confirmed positive didn’t need to test but now it’s confused to say the least.
The school will have it’s recommended what they want, the government guidelines is for the general public.
Woohoo. Taken nearly a year but finally got a positive LFT result. Double vaccinated + booster. It's the faintest line imaginable on the strip - a casual glance wouldn't see it - and I could only get it by swabbing my throat too.
Only symptom has been a mildly scratchy throat for a week and a half. No fever or cough at all. My neurotic mask wearing has hopefully prevented me from passing it on too far, but since I've been on four trains, the underground, and three long-haul flights in the last two weeks I think the damage has been done.
Technically self isolation not required as it's already been 11 full days 🤔.