Day 8, still positive so it looks like I'm in a room until Monday morning. At this point I'm starting to worry that my Day 10 - Sunday - will still be positive, what do I do then, stay in isolation?
"I am tripled jabbed and I now consider vaccination to be a waste of time.
I had covid over Christmas and my symptoms were so mild that had I known before I was jabbed that the symptoms would be that mild I wouldn’t have bothered with vaccination.
I feel I was taken for an idiot."
It's like all that Y2K software prep we did back in the day - turned out everything went smoothly in the end. What a waste of my time that was!! 😉
Day 8, still positive so it looks like I’m in a room until Monday morning. At this point I’m starting to worry that my Day 10 – Sunday – will still be positive, what do I do then, stay in isolation?
No. at D10 you're free anyway. This is the confusion of LFT'ing, in the past we were told after having confirmed covid (symptoms, PCR) not to bother with LFTs (or PCRs) for 90d as they might still show positive. Now they say start testing at D6 and if you get negatives you can be freed. It's not totally contradictory - they only said you might still show positive, not that you would. And if you do get negatives then that shows you've passed the infectious state already - medical science is what says that at 10d you probably won't be infectious, test or not.
PCR's will almost certainly still show positive for some time after as they are testing for presence of different materials that can remain much longer.
At this point I’m starting to worry that my Day 10 – Sunday – will still be positive, what do I do then, stay in isolation?
No, unless you have any symptoms other than loss of sense of smell or a cough which can last well beyond the time you are infectious.
You are allowed to come out of isolation after 10 days and iirc there is only a 5% chance that you are infectious. So probably still worth being careful with very vulnerable people.
What did you have, delta or omicron?
No idea, I guess I should be just happy that I got it and that it’s opened my eyes about the vaccine. Most people I know who have been vaccinated haven’t caught it.
Opened your eyes in what sense? You were triple vax'd, got covid and recovered well. You weren't admitted, ventilated or dead. Seems pretty clear to me, that in your case the vaccine worked.
Methinks Ernie is at the wind up.
Do 10 days, ignore the LFTs. My other half was positive on LFTs for weeks. Others I know have never tested positive on a LFT, despite positive PCRs. The LFTs are a great tool for reducing the number of infectious people in public buildings etc, they’re a useful population level tool… but when it comes down to an individual, especially after a known infection, a pinch of salt is required.
Opened your eyes in what sense? You were triple vax’d, got covid and recovered well. You weren’t admitted, ventilated or dead
I haven't even had COVID, so there haven't even been any symptoms to mitigate. It's looking like my 2 jabs plus booster were just a complete waste of time.
Methinks Ernie is at the wind up.
I concur.
Sadly in this world some will take that post a<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">t face value.</span>
🙄
Opened your eyes in what sense? You were triple vax’d, got covid and recovered well. You weren’t admitted, ventilated or dead. Seems pretty clear to me, that in your case the vaccine worked.
It appears the vaccine reduces your ability to detect irony and mirth.
Makes you think.....
No. at D10 you’re free anyway.
You're free on day 11. You have to isolate for 10 full days, assuming you can't leave early with negative LFTs.
Post isolation my LFTs were clear from around day 14 or 15. I think it's worth doing them regularly until you're clear so that you can identify when they're useful again. If you don't do them for a while post infection and your first test is positive you don't know if it's from the previous infection or if you've been reinfected.
Rest of the country is going crazy for Omicron.
Yeah…. Shits **** ed here in Sydney.
38,000 ish cases here today. And that’s in the context of nobody really being able to get a test (either a pcr or lft).
We are completely bollocksed.
I am tripled jabbed and I now consider vaccination to be a waste of time.
I had covid over Christmas and my symptoms were so mild that had I known before I was jabbed that the symptoms would be that mild I wouldn’t have bothered with vaccination.
I feel I was taken for an idiot.
If you are not on the wind up, I can partially understand your viewpoint. If you have been triple vaccinated in the space of nine months against a virus (insert virus here, for this example chicken pox) and on month 11 you are infected with chicken pox, you should be validated to ask questions about vaccine breakthrough protection.
Asking questions should be a positive tool that answers will hopefully lead to refinement and improvements in the vaccines.
I am tripled jabbed and I now consider vaccination to be a waste of time.
I had covid over Christmas and my symptoms were so mild that had I known before I was jabbed that the symptoms would be that mild I wouldn’t have bothered with vaccination.
I feel I was taken for an idiot.
Your symptoms were mild because you were vaccinated. Without the vaccine your symptoms could have been much worse. You could have ended up in hospital or dead.
Ernie was just trolling. Ignore him.
trolling's harsh, taking the P I thought.
What is instructive is the number of people that seem to read a post, get an immediate reaction to it and rush to post an answer rather than follow through and read the rest of the comments. In this case either joining in with missing the point, or repeating something someone's already said.
It was posted to get the reactions, no? Don’t blame people for taking someone’s words at face value. Not everyone takes the time to read every post.
'posting to get a reaction' is not necessarily trolling. The reaction being aimed for was (IMHO) pretty clearly to raise a giggle. Yes, some people might take at face value, but if they'd read on they'd have spotted the intent. If people don't take the time to read subsequent posts and just rush to post a put down, that's why we keep recirculating the same arguments again and again.
anyway, irrelevant, whether to raise a giggle or to catch a few fishies, let's move on.
I only pop in to this thread now and again but it always amazes me that some of you guys don't half spend some time posting on this thread. Haven't you got better things to do with your lives?
Reminds me of the zombies from I Am Legend, all huddled round in the dark muttering lol
It was posted to get the reactions, no?
Not particularly. It was aimed primarily at highlighting the irrational logic of some people.
Such as claiming to know unvaccinated people who haven't caught covid when the single most talked about characteristic of COVID-19 for the last two years has been the high level of asymptomatic cases.
I find it astonishing that some people still can't understand basic stuff like that after all this time and all the intense debates over Covid.
Out of interest does anyone on here take the time to report their Lateral Flow test results. It's a pity it isn't a little more straightforward to do but it could really improve the picture if people did it as a matter of course or even just the positives
Out of interest does anyone on here take the time to report their Lateral Flow test results.
We had a bit of a discussion about this about a page ago. General consensus was that a minority actually report -ve results.
Out of interest does anyone on here take the time to report their Lateral Flow test results. It’s a pity it isn’t a little more straightforward to do but it could really improve the picture if people did it as a matter of course or even just the positives
I mentioned this a few days ago. In terms of negatives, I'm a no. That seemed to be the majority but some people were reporting all results to help the government data.
In terms of positives, I did get a bit confused. Up until now with the PCR requirement to confirm, were people just self isolating and not bothering with the PCR? People full time WFH or the retired I guess could acheive this without any hassle.
Out of interest does anyone on here take the time to report their Lateral Flow test results. It’s a pity it isn’t a little more straightforward to do but it could really improve the picture if people did it as a matter of course or even just the positives
I do, takes less than a minute from my mobile phone including scanning the test bar code
I'm sure over the last two years that I have read that we are more likely to get a variant of concern in unvaccinated populations, this being a good reason for vaccinating the world.
But I'm also sure that I have read, that this is more likely to happen in the UK with the vaccine running hot in our situation.
Can anyone give me a definitive answer please? Or is not that simple.
Reporting 1 LFT is a PITA. Setting up an account and doing to regularly is simple. I do all 4 in our house through 1 account. I report al mine, and the kids twice weekly school ones.
My understanding was that an escape variant is more likely to take over in a vaccinated population, as other variants that the vaccine works against are suppressed.
The actual process of new variants developing is more likely in immunosuppressed populations, such as S Africa with a large HIV +ve population, as the virus stays in 1 person for a prolonged period.
Reporting 1 LFT is a PITA. Setting up an account and doing to regularly is simple.
This. Well less than a minute.
Can anyone give me a definitive answer please? Or is not that simple.
My understanding is that the quicker someone's immune system defeats the virus the less likely it is to mutate. The longer someone is ill with the virus the more opportunities it has to mutate.
I believe that multiple mutations such as occurred with omicron are likely to have occurred in one person who was ill with the virus for a very long time.
Reporting 1 LFT is a PITA. Setting up an account and doing to regularly is simple. I do all 4 in our house through 1 account. I report al mine, and the kids twice weekly school ones.
would be easier if they allowed it via the app.
Out of interest does anyone on here take the time to report their Lateral Flow test results.
Yes and so far they've all been negative. If you don't report a NO how is it possible to determine the number of tests being taken? It takes far less time to report than actually do the test. Log on whilst waiting for the result, answer the standard questions, wave your test at the camera and say YES/NO.
Can anyone give me a definitive answer please? Or is not that simple.
My understanding is that the quicker someone’s immune system defeats the virus the less likely it is to mutate. The longer someone is ill with the virus the more opportunities it has to mutate.
I believe that multiple mutations such as occurred with omicron are likely to have occurred in one person who was ill with the virus for a very long time infection mutate beyond recognition from the original.
There is a very comprehensive study going on just now led by a team of British scientists about the phenomena of the mutation of viruses hosted within bodies with AIDS and other immune suppressed illnesses.Two such people in the UK have been identified as host to these mutations and have agreed to be case studies. A female had a covid virus and over an 8 month period of constant infection mutated beyond recognition from the original. Interesting stuff. I'll try and locate the paper I am referring to. The thought process is this is the possible origin of mutated viruses.
slowoldman
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Yes and so far they’ve all been negative. If you don’t report a NO how is it possible to determine the number of tests being taken?
I'm not really sure the number of neg LFT's taken is really particularly useful data. Someone could easily be sitting in their house, not having seen anyone for weeks or months, reporting every LFT they've taken.
That's not really doing much to improve any knowledge of anything.
Would say knowing the first positive people get is important.
I believe that multiple mutations such as occurred with omicron are likely to have occurred in one person who was ill with the virus for a very long time.
Exactly this. Mutations is a numbers game. High persistent viral load gives opportunities to mutate. Low viral populations reduces the emergence. Omnicron and Alpha have mutations expected from prolonged infection, but the starting strains were different for each.
Low viral populations reduces the emergence. Omnicron and Alpha have mutations expected from prolonged infection, but the starting strains were different for each.
Therefore, those who refuse a vaccine and therefore potentially higher virus load and longer illness are increasing risk of further mutations, thereby possibly extending the pandemic?
I’m not really sure the number of neg LFT’s taken is really particularly useful data.
report-a-rapid-lateral-flow-test-result says:
Report your test result (positive, negative, or void) every time you do a coronavirus (COVID-19) rapid lateral flow test at home or at work.
Reporting your result, even if it's negative or void, helps scientists track the spread of COVID-19 and spot new outbreaks faster.
slowoldman
Full Memberhelps scientists track the spread of COVID-19 and spot new outbreaks faster.
Dunno how to break this to ye, but the cat is somewhat out of the bag.
Would also imagine a campaign of make sure you register your positive test would be more successful than getting people to report every test. Particularly when you could probably just estimate the number of negative tests fairly easily, from the amount of tests sent out.
matt_outandabout
Full MemberTherefore, those who refuse a vaccine and therefore potentially higher virus load and longer illness are increasing risk of further mutations, thereby possibly extending the pandemic?
Surely only a question worth considering when everyone that wants a vaccine, worldwide, has been sufficiently vaccinated?
Therefore, those who refuse a vaccine and therefore potentially higher virus load and longer illness are increasing risk of further mutations, thereby possibly extending the pandemic?
Much more likely to be people who can’t have the vaccine, or for whom it isn’t effective. Which is where the work of people like Tired comes in.
The point about the worldwide rollout of vaccines (and antibodies and drugs) is important. We (our governments and the drug companies they regulate) need to do far more on that. But it’s not either or. In fact, refusing vaccines if they are available to you, and you can take them, when millions around the world can’t get them, and many can’t take them because of health conditions, is, well… an odd choice. Some people can’t see when they’ve struck it lucky.
Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist at King’s College Hospital in London who has worked in the ICU since early 2020 treating Covid patients, told Sajid Javid why he did not believe in vaccination.
Unfortunately the article doesn't explain why the consultant anaesthetist doesn't "believe" in vaccination.
Which is a shame as there can't be many medical staff working in ICUs who don't "believe" in vaccination.
The sky news article on the same doctor puts his point across Better
potentially higher virus load and longer illness are increasing risk of further mutations, thereby possibly extending the pandemic?
In theory yes, in practice likely not. Humans are very good at clearing the virus already. It’s those rare ones who can’t that are the risk because coexistence of virus and weak immune attack is what drives variants. A waning immunity as antibody levels fall could have the same effect depending on the baseline antibody titer at the point of infection (or reinfection).
That’s not the same for HIV because nobody clears the virus.
The sky news article on the same doctor puts his point across Better
Yes it is more detailed thanks but it still doesn't really explain why he says "I do not want to have a vaccination" other than "the science isn't strong enough", what does that mean exactly? Does he think the vaccine is dangerous? If he thinks it doesn't work but isn't dangerous then what is the problem with having it?
It asks more questions than it answers.
