Why is London’s vaccination rate so low?
If London survives I suppose it bodes well for the rest of us.
Why is London’s vaccination rate so low?
If London survives I suppose it bodes well for the rest of us.
lots of reasons i think. More diverse population some of which don't trust the vaccine, younger population who think covid isn't really an issue for them, lower paid workers who can't get time off, could be anything. I heard its 1 in 3 don't have the vaccine here which is staggering.
I think its way worse than it was in the very start i know so many people with it now and everyone has got it just living their life. Not like they been raving and licking lamp posts
One of the excuses given for London is that many folk have left the area and are still registered there.
My girlfriend and I are having cold like symptoms. Booked a PCR for tomorrow but LFTs have been negative. Thankfully we got some delivered at the weekend.
Can you book a PCR just because you have a cold? The 3 qualifying symptoms on the website were quite specific.
London and the north west have both shown an upturn in hospitalisations that are following cases. Other regions and nations have not done so (yet). Another few days and no sign will be good news. There is some evidence that the ratio of cases to hospitalisations is widening which would implicate boosters. A fall of a third is not very large in the scheme of things. A fall of three quarters was noted for the effects of vaccination on delta.
Also the age range for omicron is older because we have had a wave of delta that infected and hence protected children.
That's fascinating. I wonder what other smell related data also correlates?
Gas leak call outs?
Another few days and no sign will be good news.
Yeah, fingers and toes crossed here for a few more days where we don't see that upsurge in hospitalisations.
20 months on and I still have no smell. No burning, no gas, no cigarette smoke, no BO, no dog poo, no off food, no lemon, orange, bleach. And no Yankee candle smells either.
What i would have given to not have a sense of smell during a night ride last week. Bloody dog egg, at least i knew i was covid clear
no Yankee candle smells either.
Finally, an upside !
Folks help me out with this one.
We're travelling up to Scotland tomorrow to stay with my family until boxing day. We're then travelling back down to oxford to stay with my wifes family.
I've asked the Scottish branch to LFT before we arrive as my wifes family are pretty elderly, so we want to mitigate risk as much as possible before travelling back down on boxing day.
Here's the crux of the matter.
My sister in law says they don't need to and won't take an LFT unless they get new symptoms because they had COVID in November and its less than 90 days ago. She's a teacher and thats the guidelines she's been told to follow.
Why do you have to have 2 negative LFT to reduce your isolation but shouldn't LFT within 90 days of having covid?
Is it unreasonable of me to INSIST they take them?
What i would have given to not have a sense of smell during a night ride last week. Bloody dog egg, at least i knew i was covid clear
I'm spending this week driving a tanker to empty portaloos, I'd kill for no sense of smell right now! Ironically half the jobs have been from Covid testing sites.
Is it unreasonable of me to INSIST they take them?
Can you tell her that it’ll just help put people at ease? She theoretically isn’t in School Teacher mode outside of work….
My exact words to her were, "can't you just do it to put our minds at rest?"
Her exact words, "Unless me and the kids get symptoms, no."
What i would have given to not have a sense of smell during a night ride last week. Bloody dog egg, at least i knew i was covid clear
Why does that make you Covid clear? Loss of sense of smell is only 1 symptom. You might not even have that symptom. You might not have any symptoms at all.
My exact words to her were, “can’t you just do it to put our minds at rest?”
Her exact words, “Unless me and the kids get symptoms, no.”
She sounds really nice. Sorry, haven't got anything more helpful to say. Ultimately it's her choice whether to do the LFTs, and it's your choice whether to see her.
Yeh, she's a pr!2k. Always has been.
Perhaps put in place social distancing or a vaccine passport.
No negative lateral flow and you spend Christmas in a pop up party tent in the back garden.
What i would have given to not have a sense of smell during a night ride last week. Bloody dog egg, at least i knew i was covid clear
Why does that make you Covid clear? Loss of sense of smell is only 1 symptom. You might not even have that symptom. You might not have any symptoms at all.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm not sure he was being completely serious
I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m not sure he was being completely serious
Your not going too far out on that limb either
Yeh, she’s a pr!2k. Always has been.
don’t go then.
I wouldn't, but its my parents that are hosting and I haven't been back in 7 years (work).
grahamt1980
Full MemberBloody dog egg, at least i knew i was covid clear
OK so the smell is awful but would you really rather not know?
Another few days and no sign will be good news.
Don’t forget age distribution. The lags spoken about most are for individuals. There has been (in past waves) a further lag as regards hospitalisation numbers due to the younger age groups getting it first. If it only really gets going in the older age groups this week, we won’t know for a few more weeks the real effect on hospitalisations. The young avoid hospitals better than the old.
Feeling a little sick with worry at the mo.
Oh,s lab now has a few confirmed cases after their Christmas meal. Turns out it involved people from 2 labs. Oh, doesn't pic with us though.
Few people up our road have it too.
Still really worried for my old mum as I've yet to see if omicron is less sever for the elderly. Less sever being a relative term.
Now have to judge the risk in family coming over to see mum at Christmas against the fact she simply might not be around next year due to age/dementia.
Feeling overwhelmed at the moment. No easy choice.
@Poopscoop - having the same conundrum but with seeing my dad. Doesn't help that work is taking me round Covid testing sites so the risk of interacting with a carrier is higher than normal. Got my booster on Friday so that won't have any effect on things, really tough decision to make. Hopefully we both make the right one.
So anyone willing to have a guess/bet on when the number of infections passes the 100k mark? The numbers usually drop over the weekend and Monday due to reporting timescales and peak on a Wednesday but I think Tuesday’s figures will be huge.
I was a day out in it breaking the 100k mark. What effect is the shortage of home test kits having though? If people can't test then cases won't be found, add on the issue of some people potentially not reporting a positive result as it would ruin Christmas for them and any contacts and I worry the numbers are suppressed against reality.
More tentatively positive news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59758784Posted 4 hours ago
I heard that news on the radio today,my first thought was ,this will give the anti-mask/it's just like a cold/told you this was a fuss about nothing gang,a big greenlight to party like it's 1999.
^^ Already been jumped on my back bench Tories, so even if needed, lock down measures are less likely in England.
@reluctantjumper
That's an added extra worry (going round the test sites) you could definite have done without.
I'm coming to the conclusion there is no right or wrong choice and I'll be going on instinct/gut as much a anything. The least wrong choice I suppose.
It won't be a very relaxed Christmas that's for sure.
@cobrakai Your sister-in-law is confusing PCR tests with LFT. A repeat PCR within 90 days may still give a positive. LFTs are different.
The new end to isolation with 2 negative LFTs might help her to understand that. These will by necessity be taken within 90 days of a positive PCR result.
She has the wrong end of the stick, but doesn't know it. I wonder what else she is misunderstanding?
My sister in law says they don’t need to and won’t take an LFT unless they get new symptoms because they had COVID in November and its less than 90 days ago. She’s a teacher and thats the guidelines she’s been told to follow.
To be fair that is what the guidance has said for a long time, stop LFTs until 90 days after infection, see pg 3 of the following faqs. This came up in our family last week when we met up with extended family. BiL had confirmed covid in Nov, so he didn't do a LFT before we all met up because of the High risk of false positives. He's a GP and generally very cautious and concerned about Covid. We have vulnerable family members so interested if there's any update on this as the current NHS .gov.uk pages are unclear what to do.
To be fair that is what the guidance has said for a long time, stop LFTs until 90 days after infection, see pg 3 of the following faqs
Yes this was certainly was what p20 and his NHS colleagues were told when given their testing kits at the start of the year.
it's what I was told after having the covid in August
Is that guidance still valid?
Things do change rapidly and the website isn't always up to date
What do we think of the headlines in the papers today? Full of "risk two thirds lower", "50% less severe" etc.
If it wasn't for xmas day around the corner I think we'd have a mass rush to the pub / shopping centre etc to make up for lost time but I think no-one wants to be positive over xmas so that will be limited.
Boxing onwards however... all bets are off.
It'll be used by Boris to avoid any further meaningful measures after Christmas and vindication of his either and delay tactic. We will be relying on people applying common sense again and we all know how well that works.
Yep, I’m sure the flat-earther/anti-vax brigade will jump on this as everything being back to normal, whats all the fuss about, etc, etc and let’s all organise a great big party for new year
Idiots!
It’s interesting that I’d never really seen specific examples of the anti-vax stuff that has been doing the rounds on social media. I presume that’s because my particular algorithms point me mainly in the direction of sane people
But our local MP put a post up on one of the community groups the other day saying vaccines and boosters were available and you could book in
He was then deluged with what I can only refer to as completely unhinged conspiracy-theory nonsense that would make David Icke blush.
People then tried to point these anti-science clowns in the direction of science, but they’re just not interested. They genuinely believe Bill Gates is trying to microchip us all or the government are sedating us and various other utterly insane ramblings
They’re absolute loons and they walk amongst us folks
I tested positive for Covid on Tuesday so that’s Christmas off for me. I feel pretty grim but I’m bloody glad I’m double jabbed and boosted
What do we think of the headlines in the papers today? Full of “risk two thirds lower”, “50% less severe” etc.
Completely misses the point that 50% less severe on an individual basis is overshadowed by four times the number of infections at a societal level, which means its still a numbers game and the NHS may still be overwhelmed.
Which is going to be very hard to communicate why a lockdown may still be needed in January.
Is that guidance still valid?
Apparently not. But it hasn’t been communicated well, has it.
What do we think of the headlines in the papers today?
The headlines ignore/remove all the qualifications, and us such are dangerous. The stories are mostly good reporting… but the damage is done before people read them (and many won’t, obviously).
To be fair, if you read the articles, most of them say the lesser severity is balanced by the huge numbers and we’ll be no better off. However, the headline messaging definitely doesn’t help a cautious approach
Edit. So @kelvin is faster at typing than me!
Completely misses the point that 50% less severe on an individual basis is overshadowed by four times the number of infections at a societal level, which means its still a numbers game and the NHS may still be overwhelmed.
This
But it's also self before society. At the risk of starting an argument (on HERE! This thread! Surely not!) the people that can't work that out are either desperately stupid, or don't care and see their lower risk as more important than the wider impact.
God forbid they have an accident or something and need to attend A&E 'cos penny to a pound they'll also be the ones abusing the staff because of the wait times.
