God forbid a government would be proactive, they should wait till things go badly wrong before taking action.
Proactive would be closing pubs, not outdoor sports.
If you read my post, I was asking does he need a pass? I asked because I don’t know the answer.
Well the answer to that is no unless the pub itself has a covid pass policy. Wasn't a judgement on you, more the general view (which I've heard elsewhere) that people working in the NHS should be more cautious than others. I know a lot of people working in the NHS and other vulnerable places like schools etc and I know they don't see themselves as any more or less responsible than anyone else in their behaviour towards the virus, and neither should they be.
but this guy
Long since given up on listening to anything he says. Like a constantly bullshitting mate… even he’s right this time, I’ll find out from someone else instead. No chance I’m listening to another second of his very convincing but always (so far) misleading patter.
I've never seen him before, but his stuff seemed reasonable. Obviously doesn't spend as much of his life talking covid as you do Kelvin. 😉
No doubt it’ll get ripped tae bits on here though!
Nothing contentious from what I could see in that. But the Hong Kong group have not really provided any understanding of the relative infectivity of omicron in lung bronchus and alveoli - ACE2 expression? TMPRSS2 engagement? The line between infection and morbidity is still poorly characterised. Against a background of high seropositivity and boosting, that could be a good thing!
Nobeerinthefridge
Free MemberI tend to avoid youtube, but this guy gives a fairly balanced view of Omicron.
No doubt it’ll get ripped tae bits on here though! 🙂
I get the impression that guys only in it for the clicks to be honest, I watched his vid on the supposed benefits of ivermectin, mentioned it at the start then proceeded to discuss all manner of unrelated nonsense, basically saying it was responsible for japans last reduction, despite no giving any evidence for number of people taking it, and completely ignoring their lockdown was the reason for the reduction.
It was a complete and utter pile of nonsense, jumping on the joe rogan band wagon tbh for views.
Clicks for dosh, 1.8 million views will earn a decent wedge!.
ja, wish I'd thought of it tbh. 😆
No doubt it’ll get ripped tae bits on here though!
No self-respecting medical professional or scientist would use a nasty Parker Vector fountain pen from the 80s as a visual aide. I'm out
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lol!
You’re negative LFT is an alternative to a Covid pass, not a way of getting one, as I understand it.
If you have reported the result to T&T the app will have a record to show a door-person that you are either vaccinated or not positive.
more the general view (which I’ve heard elsewhere) that people working in the NHS should be more cautious than others
My job entails me dealing with members of the public who at our centre are currently testing at 30% positive. To handle this I am given a (lot of) blue paper masks and enough hand gel, soap and water to make a great water park slide.
Going into a pub is a piece of cake in comparison. I sit in a corner away from others, sanitise all the time, distance and drink a couple of pints.
Try to take getting away from work and the depression of the current reality from me and I will flip. This time it won’t be selfharm.
If you have reported the result to T&T the app will have a record to show a door-person that you are either vaccinated or not positive.
Or that you lied about your LFT result.
God forbid a government would be proactive, they should wait till things go badly wrong before taking action.
Proactive all on the basis of a maybe isn't sufficient reason when its devastating businesses already twice crippled by lockdowns. Going by that warped logic we'll be locking down and having to endure draconian restrictions every winter 'just in case'. Doesn't take a genius to see that won't work and isn't sustainable. As an example the Welsh government has set aside 3 million to support businesses affected. Talk about a paltry gesture. That won't even cover the main football clubs let alone the Rugby clubs and other clubs with fans. This will have a knock on effect of suppliers, their staff etc etc. All based on a maybe. Pathetic and cowardly.
If you have reported the result to T&T the app will have a record to show a door-person that you are either vaccinated or not positive.
Or that you lied about your LFT result.
Aye, we saw Henning Wehns show at the Edinburgh Fringe, which was a bit too Covid sceptic in places for my taste, or indeed quite a few of the audience, but we had to provide the email/text acknowledging the negative LFT to get entry and he pointed out that its quicker and easier to fake it.
Very sad conversation with my sister this evening. She reports Guys (where she works) has a look and feel not seen since the beginning. Zombie knackered staff with all the free hotels and meals back to keep everyone going and apart from their families if they want it. She does however report that every single intensive care bed occupied by a covid patient in the entire trust is an unvaccinated patient. Triple jabbeds in hospital but only unvaxxed in ITU. She sounds like she is in for a miserable Christmas and I'd really avoid getting seriously ill of something else or breaking yourself in that general vicinity for the foreseeable.
Idle thought...should coroners be reporting it as death by misadventure for all unvaxxed victims from here on in?
I’d really avoid getting seriously ill of something else or breaking yourself in that general vicinity for the foreseeable.
I'm as worried in case my elderly parents slip and break their hip as I am of them catching Covid. Neither they nor the NHS want that.
Convert - tell your sister she and her colleagues are amazing and we all hope things don't get as bad as they must be fearing.
She does however report that every single intensive care bed occupied by a covid patient in the entire trust is an unvaccinated patient.
Time to make use of the Nightingale hospitals then. This time we can call them Mother Terresa hospitals and just use them to "treat" the unvaccinated. Boris is a Catholic so perhaps he'll get to be a saint too.
Extra Hospitals ain't much good if you don't have the staff for them.
^^ Yep, need staff.
Idle curiosity but didn't they dismantle the Nightingale hospitals or did I imagine that?
Extra Hospitals ain’t much good if you don’t have the staff for them.
Can't we just use the imaginary staff from last time? I thought the hospital name change would have given it away.
Sore throat with a bit of a headache coming on. Do I need to do a PCR test?
LFT first.
Sore throat with a bit of a headache coming on. Do I need to do a PCR test?
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/get-tested-for-coronavirus/
should coroners be reporting it as death by misadventure for all unvaxxed victims from here on in?
No, practical Darwinism may be more appropriate.
Sore throat with a bit of a headache coming on. Do I need to do a PCR test?
Officially those aren't recognised COVID-19 symptoms so you're not supposed to do a PCR. I had a sore throat on Friday. Did LFT on Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday because we were due to have lunch with relatives who are not young. I stayed away from the lunch anyway, just in case, but the others in my family went. This evening my son felt a touch temperaturey so he did an LFT... positive, so I did another one, also positive.
I'm actually waiting on a PCR result via the Zoe app, that I posted off yesterday, and I expect to be positive.
So... officially you don't qualify for PCR, but I would behave as though you may well have the 'rona, and at least do LFTs before anything mixy.
It says LFT is for people w/out symptoms.
Yeah, but surely just do one anyway, pretty sure everyone should have them by now.
And what gray says.
The nightingale hospitals have been decommissioned and the equipment distributed via NHSE amongst the permanent hospitals.
Not that we ever had staff to send to them with any patients anyway.
Gov symptoms guideline is very inaccurate, much like the rest of the info. Might have been accurate at some point, but not now.
My mate who ive seen over weekend tested positive lft on Monday, as did wife. I thought I best test too. I did have a sniffle. Tested a very positive lft. My wife, who has been ill with cold all week (testing lft regularly) tested -ve. We got PCR that afternoon and this morning me, my mate and his wife all got +ve results. My Wife -ve. All of us +ve don't have any symptoms. Today we are all absolutely fine. Wife is still ill but she returned -ve.
My wife got booster 12 days ago. My mate, his wife and me got ours Sunday morning.
Live a life of lockdowns, fear of holidays being cancelled, isolating, mask wearing and continuous vaccines.
Or just accept you might get ill a couple of times a year and crack on
The nightingale hospitals have been decommissioned and the equipment distributed via NHSE amongst the permanent hospitals.
Not that we ever had staff to send to them with any patients anyway.
I always felt that they weren't really intended for healing the sick.
I always felt that they weren’t really intended for healing the sick.
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The one in Harrogate certainly didn't receive any patients. If we were to send patients there, we would also have had to magic up care teams to send with them. Fortunately we didn't get to that point.
I know some patients were admitted to the Nightingale in London because it was on the news but I strongly suspect that the other regional Nightingales were in a similar position to Harrogate
Stretch - I suspect the emphasis was on the word 'healing' in MCTD's post. send minimum staff to actually open it, then it's a nice quiet spot out of the way for those without hope to die in.
Live a life of lockdowns, fear of holidays being cancelled, isolating, mask wearing and continuous vaccines.
Believe it or not, this is still very early in the evolution of a global pandemic of a wholly new human pathogen. It won’t be a lifetime. We will of course acquire sufficient immunity to live happily with the virus. But it will take some time. Of course we could have just let it run, and I think it is now blatantly obvious that had we done that in 2020, where we would have been.
Like I said, a little prudence is reasonable until a clearer picture is available. How do you drive a car? Keep a decent braking distance or race into every blind corner? With some luck, measures will prove unnecessarily and omicron turns out to be the next, more benign (for most) chapter. We will know presently. Delta was hinting at that with high seropositivity and some degree of complacency.
The fact that this happens at Christmas is because it is a respiratory infection. And they always happen at Christmas. People have ignored the additional mortality from Christmas (unless you work in the NHS or are an undertaker), but it has been present in the death data for years. This new pathogen simply amplifies that signal. That signal will die down in time. But of course the country is impatient and the economy matters. But we also know how fast the economy bounces back.
@Convert, thanks, I understood; my point was that we didn't want to send patients because we would loose the care teams from the hospitals. Which were and still are in short supply
But of course the country is impatient and the economy matters.
At this stage in the pandemic, the “economy” is not protected by government inaction. Good to hear some small grants are now in place for pubs etc, some recognition that business isn’t protected from the effect of rising cases just because the PM is avoiding announcing any new interventions.
@Convert, thanks, I understood; my point was that we didn’t want to send patients because we would loose the care teams from the hospitals. Which were and still are in short supply
Slightly tongue in cheek - who said anything about care teams? A few janitors and a morgue team would do the trick for those voluntarily putting themselves in this position.
Isolation cut to seven days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59749447
People infected with Covid in England can stop self-isolating up to three days early if they test negative twice, it has been announced.
They will now be able to end quarantine after seven days instead of 10 by providing negative lateral flow results on day six and day seven.
The new guidance can be used by people who are isolating after testing positive for Covid, regardless of their vaccination status.
I thought that after a positive PCR test, we weren’t supposed to be using LFTs for 90 days?
Nah, just PCRs
Well, that makes sense. Did they change that this year?
State prem has just made 3rd booster shot mandatory for 75% of the work force as its "the best protection against Omicron" for Western Australians.
Of course we could have just let it run, and I think it is now blatantly obvious that had we done that in 2020, where we would have been.
I'd be inclined to think many couldn't actually quantify that beyond "it would be apocalyptic" at one end to "wed be living normally just with the occasional bad cold" at the other end.
Assuming the variants and fatality rates stayed the same, has someone actually put a theoretical estimate on where we would actually be now if wed gone for a "let it rip" tactic from the start?
I'd bet vaccine take up would be higher
Cutting the isolation period seems nuts to me. Plenty of people will just see the 7 day bit and ignore the testing part, won't they?
