More details on an interesting/stressful evening. Floated the idea of taking the kids out of school to them and explained the social distancing measures and quarantine if needed. 15 year old had a complete meltdown, never seen her so upset. 12 year old I thought didn’t care but later found out she wanted everyone to stop talking about it. She’s been very quiet for the past week so clearly it’s taking it’s toll. Older one said why is her life so shit with brexit, climate change and now this. I can’t disagree with her to be honest. In the end we relented and said they could go to school tomorrow. This is going to have a long lasting effect on our kids. And that’s even before worrying about grandparents dying and their parents potentially needing hospital treatment. I take back all my blasé jokey comments at the beginning of this thread.
Nobody really knows what the effect of this is going to be & there is the possibility that it really could catastrophically destroy our society.
Wait until a No Deal Brexit lands on 1st January 2021 as we're still in the midst of dealing with the fallout from Covid 19.
We haven't seen the half of it yet.
Quite possibly. He’s making up the politics side of it as he goes along, and when someone points out that businesses are going to fold all over the country and he’ll have to pay their dole, he’ll probably go ‘oh, shit yeah, better chuck them some money then’
The more I think about BloHard's press conference, the angrier I get.
One of the main things the Brexity chumps throw around all the time is "the EU rules on state aid mean we can't bail out great British businesses".
The shit then hits the fan a mere 6-7 weeks after Brexshit and Macron is pledging €300bn and that no businesses will be allowed to go bust in Feance because of their measures to slow coronavirus spread.
Meanwhile lying BloHard tells all of the customers of the hospitality sector to stay away but doesn't tell those businesses they have to close. Err.... a business with no customers and bills to pay will go out of business altogether you epically bumbling cock womble. Another refusal to admit that Brexit is a totally unnecessary act of self harm that has just been exposed even more for what it is.
Hopefully he is finished after this. When the dust settles the public really need to create a situation where he can no longer govern claiming a popular mandate.
Marstons brewery reported 49% drop in orders
We are at the same level of reduction , but on a much smaller scale
Tried to get some sales by offering no quibble sale or return but that had no .Landlords were expecting to be told to close so wont order.
This will be the end for thousands of pubs and hundreds of breweries , there simply isnt the cash floating around to sustain any extended peiord of low / zero sales
For me , today , I can sit at home for a few years with no work , but would rather get on with life and move house, release equity in my little flat and take advantage of the crazy mtg deals on offer
and HONC has been cancelled
Anyone watching Newsnight? Has this Minister not been briefed, or do the government as a whole not really have a clue? If she’s meant to either be clear, or reassure, then it’s a complete fail on birth counts.
After Hancock's fumbling on Marr yesterday I bet they thought it couldn't get any worse....
But jeez she was awful
The reaction of the governments of EU countries (and further afield), as regards the finances of households and businesses during this difficult period, compared to ours is stark. For sure. The government will have to change their approach, fast. I suspect they will, once they start to listen to the likely effects on the country of leaving so many employers, employees and the self employed out to dry. Leaning it to the Bank of England to try and make headroom for banks to offer loans and payment holidays, is not likely to be nearly enough.
We can print our own money and use it to buy products and raw materials in a way many other nations can’t.
From a few pages back, but I'm going to comment because I've heard it elsewhere, too.....
Wasn't it said that something like 80% of food in the UK is imported? What makes people think that producers will still sell them food when it's needed in the producer's country?
So according to the government document on 'Guidance on social distancing for everyone in the UK and protecting older people and vulnerable adults' I will be contacted next week by NHS England (I live in Scotland...) to offer even more stringent measures. Feel pretty shitty tbh, having survived lymphoma treatment this now is beyond the joke. Look after each other guys.
This is worse than 9/11. Nobody really knows what the effect of this is going to be & there is the possibility that it really could catastrophically destroy our society. I still think that is a remote possibility, but an awful lot of people seem unable to grasp the potential enormity of what we are facing & are whinging about holidays being cancelled etc..
I agree.
Gov.uk is often Gov.EnglandnWales
Keep yourself safe.
I’ve read all that advice now, but still can’t work out what the advice is for children and teens with diabetes… except that we’re not to contact our clinic staff to ask them about it.
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and our winter wheat and Barley crops have either not been planted , or have failed due to waterlogged feilds . Farmers expecting 1/3 to 1/2 of the normal yeilds nationwide
So we cannot feed ourselves or our livestock with whats left , at least we wont need any for brewiing with
That Imperial paper is grim reading, saying this might go on for 18 months until a vaccine is ready, likely rolling social distancing measures as the outbreaks ebb and flow
At the moment the governments collectively seem to be prioritising avoiding short term deaths / breaking health services higher than avoiding economic armageddon.
I could see it swinging back the other way, with economy being given greater priority over health as the reality sets in.
Malaysia will have a total lock down starting Wednesday 18 March 2020 until the end of the month. This means No one is allowed to enter (tourists) or get out of the country or travel between states (the citizen). This is due to a surge of more than 500 cases in Covid-19 infection. This happens after they had a "world" religious gathering few weeks ago. The lock down includes Friday religious worship.
This happens after they had a “world” religious gathering few weeks ago.
Same as South korea, one super spreader at a church service responsible for the majority of their infections
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html
Based on the ICL report above, I’d be willing to bet it’s about to get a lot worse. China and Korea are the only places with a (current) handle on this, and both have performed rigorous testing, tracing and isolation procedures. We and the rest of Europe aren’t even close.
It is quite concerning as it seems the suppression period will have to be continually renewed until a vaccine is developed so potentially 18 months. Two rays of light are:
(i) there are reports that vaccine research is proceeding at incredible speed with a report that one has already gone into initial testing but still a long road.
(ii) it might be possible to use enhanced containment techniques based on those used in South Korea to reduce the impact of future suppression periods, but these techniques, according to the report, would means privacy issues would need to be overcome.
and our winter wheat and Barley crops have either not been planted , or have failed due to waterlogged feilds . Farmers expecting 1/3 to 1/2 of the normal yeilds nationwide
So we cannot feed ourselves or our livestock with whats left , at least we wont need any for brewiing with
Good thing I can bail and go to a civilised country like the Philippines and live on a deserted beach catching fish with my missus. 🤣
Enjoy 28 days later on this cold island lads, without any food and alienated neighbours!
I think I might take my chances with the dengue, malaria and Islamists.
That Imperial paper is grim reading, saying this might go on for 18 months until a vaccine is ready
There's no guarantee that there will be an effective vaccine!
Same as South korea, one super spreader at a church service responsible for the majority of their infections
At one point they considered the infection could only happen to you know who, you lot the non-believers but now they got it and the entire country got lock down. Talking about complacency ...
There’s no guarantee that there will be an effective vaccine!
Just like flu I don't think there will be a vaccine. The question is how lethal the next or future pandemic can be when the virus may have mutated many times over.
This is worse than 9/11
Without question the biggest thing since the Cold War. Aside from the immediate health concerns, the big worry is what will come after? We’re essentially entering a period of authoritarian government with massive restrictions on personal freedoms and state control of the economy, with a bunch of narcissist incompetent populists at the helm (western EU states being the exception). Short of nuclear war I can’t think of a worse scenario.
I watched 9/11 in open-mouthed amazement which then turned to horror. It was, in general terms, unpredicted and unpredictable.
The response was led by politicians who were, in the truest sense of the word, leaders.
This is so very different.
A viral pandemic has been widely predicted; no-one could say what, when or where but what is clears that govs have done nothing to prepare for this possibility.
No contingency planning, no what-ifs; if they were done, govs have chosen to ignore or suppress the results.
So, shit happens; national political leaders are expected to....lead.
johnson is so far out of his depth that he inspires zero confidence; has no apparent understanding that he has condemned a large part of the leisure business to liquidation; has shovelled tens of thousands onto UC - a 'benefit' which is hugely inadequate.
The EU now has no allegiance to the UK.
US is led by racist, self-aggrandising bigot who has awarded himself 10/10 for his performance in 'managing' covid-19.
You couldn't make it up.
As somewhere up there ^^^ johnson and his acolytes have blood on their hands and will have much more before this plays out.
On a different thread I predicted cummings gone by mid-year and johnson by year-end; have I been too optimistic?
johnsons limitations are being exposed every time he appears in public; his days are numbered.
Interesting that gove has said nothing; maybe his missus - that turd, sarah vine - is telling him....mikey, say nothing as johnson will self-immolate and then.....you will be world king!
I can’t imagine where your kids get it from Dazh!
I can’t imagine where your kids get it from Dazh!
They don’t read this forum or Facebook. I’m more normal in real life 😄
Short of nuclear war I can’t think of a worse scenario.
Depending on how badly this goes...
in the post?
If you want to help your local restaurant businesses, order lots of takeaways.
If you want to help your local restaurant businesses, order lots of takeaways.
Not convinced I want any randoms hands on my food at the moment
The finest illustration of why this will spread just happened during my visit to the supermarket. Had barely set foot in the door and some ignorant prick pretty much coughs straight in my face from a yard away without even covering their mouth..
If I didn't think he had the plague I would have given him a punch..
This is so big, will have such massive implications to people on a personal level and world level that many, many people are just not letting their minds accept it. They refuse to. They will be totally screwed soon.
I walked down our road earlier in it's utter normality. 2 months from now people might be organising to defend the street from roving gangs just kicking in doors to rape and steal food/possessions.
Outlandish? Absolutely but now frighteningly possible. Bloody hell I hope I'm wrong though.
Can I suggest a change of reading/viewing habits Mr Scoop?
I can't help it.
Too much time on here and watching The Road at the moment to calm the nerves.😵😉
Shift to comedy!
Shaun of the Dead?
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Imperial College models here. Grim reading.Posted 2 hours ago
My god. That is grim as hell. 🙁
It's a big old thread, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but if you're skin is cracking from all the hand-sanitiser, your loose change may have some effect on vivid. Jangle-jangle...
I work on a copper mine so I'm all good!
Nearly 94 percent of the 15,000 monitored enterprises in the manufacturing sector in Guangdong province have resumed work as of Sunday, according to the provincial human resources and social security department.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/17/WS5e702615a31012821727f9a6.html
If China really is getting things back on track, while the west seemingly steamrollers into financial meltdown, is this going to be the moment that shifts the balance of world power?
Interesting times. Grim, but interesting nonetheless.
Some helpful advice from the WHO.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has shared advice on protecting your mental health during the coronavirus outbreak.
Some of the recommendations include:avoid watching, reading or listening to news that could cause you to feel anxious or distressed
seek information mainly to take practical steps to prepare your plans and protect yourself and loved ones
Seek information updates at specific times during the day once or twice. The sudden near-constant stream of news reports about an outbreak can cause anyone to feel worried
Got my MiL staying with us (no flights home anyway). She's in multiple very high risk categories. She is not bothered at all and is enjoying being with her family and grandkids, while taking all sensible measures around contact and hygiene. Her biggest fears were dying slowly of cancer or suchlike and being alone, so all in she's doing OK and tackling this is a very level headed way. A nice balance to the doom mongers anyway.
That Imperial paper suggests 40% to 50% of cases are not identified going by Chinese data.
The actual magic money tree (MMT) is getting revved up.
Fed's 1.5 trillion out of thin air fell into the wrong hands.
But ... but how are we going to pay for it? Yeah right.
Now the markets haven't provided a solution to all human needs we're about to get a lesson in why we need a different system than what this country voted for.
Or the world for that matter.
If China really is getting things back on track, while the west seemingly steamrollers into financial meltdown, is this going to be the moment that shifts the balance of world power?
With Trump at the helm, it seems more likely by the day.
I wonder how many coughing kids will turn up to the virus farm today? I was hoping for a bit of a cough last night so I could lock the family down and leave them to it, no luck. ( and yes I realise how ****ing stupid that is)
Wait until a No Deal Brexit lands on 1st January 2021 as we’re still in the midst of dealing with the fallout from Covid 19.
We haven’t seen the half of it yet.
We can easily extend the transition period,I doubt that Brexit will be a big deal in people’s minds when the bodies start stacking up.
(Sorry for being grim)
Don’t forget a bus promising money to nhs and a man promising 40 new hospitals.
It’s now a different world for us, things will be very different on the other side of this.
avoid watching, reading or listening to news that could cause you to feel anxious or distressed
Going by this thread this will become hugely important to manage your intake of news.
Particularly for the demographic groups that make up this forum.
That imperial link is interesting but doesnt seem to accommodate for a growth in beds. Surely if we are heading towards an 18 month lockdown we could train more nurses (specifically for icu care) and manufacture more beds and equipment? The other link saying making equipment wasnt viable seemed to be based on having the same certification standards as today, they could be lowered too?
A massive amount of hysteria on this thread. Everyone needs to take a breath.
There’s no guarantee that there will be an effective vaccine!
Can I remind people that this is the FIFTH human coronavirus; the other four are already endemic in the population and are four of the hundred or so different viruses that cause ‘common cold’ symptoms.
There is no strong evidence that this is any different epidemiologically than the other four, it’s the lack of immunity that’s the issue.
There is no reason (except doom mongering) to suspect that immunity to this virus will work any differently than it does to any other ‘cold/flu’ virus; ie; catch it, defeat it and the amazing mammalian immune system will remember how to defeat it again, at least for some time.
Furthermore, for the vast majority of young (<65, working age) people, increasing evidence suggests that that is what this new virus will cause for the vast majority (c99.7% will recover without need for medical intervention).
The lack of human immunity to this DOES make it frightening and a real risk to those in the ‘at risk’ groups, and it’s THESE people that us low risk people should be working hard to protect, by social distancing, assistance with the basics like shopping and scrupulous hygiene.
I’ve either had it or I’m going to get it. It’s not going to do me any lasting harm (statistically that is, I could be one of the 0.3% but I also could get run over tomorrow). It’s most important that I keep on working to help my family, my community and the economy, especially seeing as we have a ****ing clueless clown ‘in charge’ at the moment.
If we are going to protect the vulnerable, we need to crack on, not panic and hide.
The economic damage that mass hysteria and panic will cause will far outweigh the transient effects of this virus being the main cause of deaths in vulnerable, multi comorbidity patient groups instead of influenza this year.
