A massive amount of hysteria on this thread. Everyone needs to take a breath.
It’s pretty pathetic.
This will be the end for thousands of pubs and hundreds of breweries , there simply isnt the cash floating around to sustain any extended peiord of low / zero sales
There is - the gov found plenty to bail out the banks when it was needed, they can do it again. It's got repercussions that will take years to resolve but if there is the will, they can. Macron just did.
We can easily extend the transition period,I doubt that Brexit will be a big deal in people’s minds when the bodies start stacking up.
This - but bodies won't be stacking up. Predictions of half a million dead.....but ca 600K people die naturally in the UK every year. The Venn diagram is going to include a significant overlap. Yes - there will be extra and it's very sad for the people whose time wasn't up and their loved ones in particular. My mum is in the at risk group several times over - age, diabetes, reduced liver and kidney function, high BP and reduced immune system. She's already outlived her time (her words) and while she's not wanting to get it, she's not scared of it. Her worry is not being allowed contact with her grandkids in whatever time may be left.....I'm hoping that weather improves quickly so we can at least sit in the garden with her a few more times.
Yep...
But without really effective messaging from the government and the amount of shite pumped out on Facebook people do get twitchy.
I’d also say the newspapers and news channels are loving it as well and stoking the fear.
The other link saying making equipment wasnt viable seemed to be based on having the same certification standards as today, they could be lowered too?
The article actually mentions lowering standards and sophistication to speed up production which I’d expect to happen frankly.
A massive amount of hysteria on this thread. Everyone needs to take a breath.
Plus another one to that.
the wife put it succinctly....
He's a coward.
the government are not fronting anyone for the round of morning news... its a ****ing disgrace.
But without really effective messaging from the government and the amount of shite pumped out on Facebook people do get twitchy.
The messages are there but it’s drowned out by social media ‘experts’.
Exhibit A.
2 months from now people might be organising to defend the street from roving gangs just kicking in doors to rape and steal food/possessions.
Boris looks like the work experience boy when he's addressing the nation. He's about as statesmanlike as a stick of celery.
Predictions of half a million dead…..but ca 600K people die naturally in the UK every year.
Yep but they’ve not pumping that number into the news at every available opportunity.
The whole ‘time wasn’t up’ sounds a big cop out on running health services into the ground to me.
A massive amount of hysteria on this thread. Everyone needs to take a breath.
I don't think the constant media coverage and infection rate and death numbers being reported really help. We don't report any other death tolls and infection rates for anything else but if we did people may be just as shocked and ask what is being done about it
17th March
Flu - 7,000 new infections, 227 deaths
Smoking related - 2,000 new cancer case, 19 deaths
Road accidents - 100 serious casualties, 5 deaths
etc,
Not saying these things are at all the same but they are not in everyone's face 24 hours a day
I don’t think the constant media coverage and infection rate and death numbers being reported really help.
You’re right, but it’s personal responsibility time. Time to up our media analysis game. Don’t be passive recipients of the news, be active, critical analysts of it. Encourage others to do the same.
Panic sells papers (clicks?). Time everyone realised the transparent agenda of (vast swathes of) the media.
The messages are there but it’s drowned out by social media ‘experts’.
If the government leave a vacuum it will be filled.
The thing is for Brexit,the election etc they can stump up a wall of willing MPs to get out their message with a conviction & chutzpah that we are not seeing now.
A massive amount of hysteria on this thread. Everyone needs to take a breath.
As I pointed out before, people, are using it for doom mongering political statements and agenda’s. Read through the thread and you’ll find the same people at the peaks making sure they’ve got thier political point into the thread. It’s become repetitive, selfish and very boring.
She is not bothered at all and is enjoying being with her family and grandkids, while taking all sensible measures around contact and hygiene. Her biggest fears were dying slowly of cancer or suchlike and being alone, so all in she’s doing OK and tackling this is a very level headed way. A nice balance to the doom mongers anyway.
This is basically what we should be doing. There’s no need to panic, we just wait for it to wash over us and deal with the impact on life and protecting the vulnerable as best we can. There’s no need for anything else unless we hear from experts if there’s something else we can do to combat it.
Just tidying my lab at school, wonder if anyone has thought through pupils wearing goggles for practicals. Meanwhile email to parents saying all rooms have hand sanitiser (dont mention its alcohol free) and tissues, mines run out and we have none to replace it with.
2 months from now people might be organising to defend the street from roving gangs just kicking in doors to rape and steal food/possessions
Bog Roll shaggers !!!
No ones going to be keen on stealing people’s pasta supplies after 2 months of the stuff already 🙂
Well another shift in the rabbit hole.
A quick summary would be - there's a broad spectrum of thinking. There's a lot of outlandish thinking. Yep, might be guilty there. Everyone is at different points on the process curve - and dealing with different things. If you aren't dealing with the immediate human situation then there is a risk of going oh and oh and crikey what if. Whilst some of this makes 'entertaining' reading but ultimate we all need be be centering back to the street level stuff of our daily lives. The stuff we can do and deal with and those who we can help.
I think the messages are complex and the person who clearly communicates all of this hasn't turned up yet. It's all very one, two, lots - people are likely to be processing a ton of stuff whilst trying to work out the rules of 'Mornington Crescent'. It never quite seems to be simple enough.
It's going to be worse than some think and way way better than other's imagine. We seem to be fairly much agreed there's some big reservations about Boris Johnson. If only he was back in a comedy supporting role to lift the spirits. Unfortunately we have to play the hand we are dealt. He's just one card in the deck and there are saner heads throughout the country who are going to knuckle down and get us through this.
Let's generally try to be decent to each other - might be a return of people using the forum as part of their social life.
v8ninety +1
A few people need to calm down and take a breath, yes its serious, but reactions like some on this thread will not help anyone.
I would say thou this is the ‘Where’s the coronavirus we’re all going to die conspiracy thread?’
So this could as in all good food labelling contain ‘nuts’ 🙂
If someone doesn’t say something silly we can’t debunk or drown them in our sophisticated satire 🙂
YMMV.
Just tidying my lab at school, wonder if anyone has thought through pupils wearing goggles for practicals.
Apparently you have. So you now have two choices, 1. stop practicals (my son's school did this- although they are doing this to focus on getting certain stuff out the way before any shutdown so they are as prepped as they can be for exams) OR 2. get cleaning between use - wiping down with hot soapy water is not a specialist skill.
Meanwhile email to parents saying all rooms have hand sanitiser (dont mention its alcohol free) and tissues,
Surely as a scientist you understand that it doesn't need alcohol to be useful?
mines run out and we have none to replace it with.
You work in a lab. Presumably it has sinks? Hand sanitiser is the alternative when proper hand washing is not available.
You have a choice - be part of the solution, or be part of the whinging masses. I promise you, life is a happier place if you decide to make it one.
I'm on the train to work. We've been told to go into the office today or tomorrow, collect essential equipment and then WFH.
Train has about 1/4 the normal number of passengers at most. Normally by this stage it's standing room only, today people have a choice of seats.
We've just crossed the M60. Normally at this time it's solid going into Stockport, today it's free flowing. Again about 1/4 the usual traffic.
the wifes working from home today as a test. I'm have to do some work 🙁
c99.7% will recover without need for medical intervention
If that were true, then your claims of hysteria would be valid.
[edit - oh, you filtered out all the people that are most likely to need medical intervention to get your figure. Fun with maths.]
Very well said v8ninety, people need to get a grip.
transient effects of this virus being the main cause of deaths in vulnerable, multi comorbidity patient groups instead of influenza this year.
I especially liked that sentence.
That's a relief crazy-legs. Judging by the sound of the road near me and the amount of red still on Google Maps I'd assumed the advice was being completely ignored.
crazy legs - are you on the hazel grove to blackpool north train?
I'd assumed the advice was being completely ignored.
Well it was the same advice that the AA dish out when it snows.
c99.7% will recover without need for medical intervention
If that were true, then your claims of hysteria would be valid
It’s not true.
V8Ninety cite those claims and statistics please. That imperial paper states that 1.2 percent of 20-29 year olds will require hospitalisation, do you know something they don’t with that 99.7 number?
The scary thing isn’t just the lack of immunity, we lack immunity to many new variants of flu, it’s the virulence as well.
The human immune system is amazing and on an individual level it will respond well, but there are questions as to whether the immune response and corresponding immunological memory will be strong enough to confer herd immunity.
Predictions of half a million dead…..but ca 600K people die naturally in the UK every year.
Yes, but what matters are the added deaths.
I mean otherwise we’d be able to start world war three and justify it because half a million people die of natural causes each year.
Yes, but what matters are the added deaths.
I mean otherwise we’d be able to start world war three and justify it because half a million people die of natural causes each year.
Yes, if you could fight WW3 and almost all the casualties were people already at deaths door and weren't going to survive the year then yes, WW3 would be easier to justify.
Corvid-19 isn't going to be a doddle but to a large degree we're talking about changing the cause of death, not adding new deaths.
Obviously the media aren't going to report net deaths because the gross number sells more media.
Corvid-19 isn’t going to be a doddle but to a large degree we’re talking about changing the cause of death, not adding new deaths.
You can’t state that because we don’t have the data.
Most 65 year olds aren’t going to die this year due to other natural causes.
You work in a lab. Presumably it has sinks?
No hot water and ran out of soap
Schools are out of soap here as well. Tried to buy some myself to send in with the kids, but no joy.
That’s a relief crazy-legs. Judging by the sound of the road near me and the amount of red still on Google Maps I’d assumed the advice was being completely ignored.
I’ve just taken a peak on traffic cameras around Newcastle it is noticeable quite.
And I still can’t work out the advice for diabetic kids, so we’re carrying on as normal for now. The other diabetics have been kept home though.
there are questions as to whether the immune response and corresponding immunological memory will be strong enough to confer herd immunity.
Well there's no vaccine and may never be one, so if we don't get immunity by contractinig it either why close down our economy for 24 months? We might as well just live with the new reality, and deal with the pain right now.
Unless the plan is to shut down for a finite time until we have x new beds/staff/ventilators in which case great but nowhere is doing that.
It'll be fine though as we are rapidly running out of kids to teach and teachers to teach them, expect only Yr11 and 13's to be in school soon.
Train has about 1/4 the normal number of passengers at most
Whereas my usual train was as busy as it always is. Go figure. Leeds station was noticeably emptier than usual though.
economy for 24 months? We might as well just live with the new reality, and deal with the pain right now
Which will make us an international
pariah as everywhere else is preparing to respond with multiple containment’s to deal with each wave, with containment and social distancing breaks between the predicted peaks.
so if we don’t get immunity by contractinig it either why close down our economy for 24 months
Brilliant logic, someone should tell the MERS responders that it was pointless.
Our economy will tank anyway if the rest of the world follows a different path.
the wife put it succinctly….
He’s a coward.
the government are not fronting anyone for the round of morning news… its a * disgrace.
A coward is exactly what he is. He's basically been hidden under his desk for weeks now. And the implications for us all of his cowardice are pretty bloody serious.
Anyone with any authority (or any balls) would have ordered bars, restaurants and theatres shut yesterday. Instead he told everyone that they shouldn't go to bars, restaurants and theatres. A total fudge to absolve himself and the useless nodding dogs around him of responsibility for anything, and means that the owners of those businesses, and their employees, have just been told "you're on your own". No government support, no insurance claims. let 'The Market' decide.
Hundreds of thousands of people are about to lose their jobs immediately as a result of that one half-arsed decision. The hospitality industry is about to collapse. Businesses are going to fold, left, right and centre.
The government have offered £12 billion to help out business. 12 *ing billion! Thats neither here nor there in the face of this shitstorm. Spaffing 12 billion away is just a bad morning at the office for Chris Grayling.
One thing that this is ruthlessly exposing is the total inadequacies of the nationalist populists like Trump and Johnson and the sycophantic incompetents they've surrounded themselves with. They both look like rabbits in the ****ing headlights.
Maybe the respective electorates might think twice about the wisdom of voting for over-privileged jesters and wealth-inheriting, reality TV gobshites as 'leaders'
Corvid-19 isn’t going to be a doddle but to a large degree we’re talking about changing the cause of death, not adding new deaths.
You can’t state that because we don’t have the data.
Pardon my french but it’s bloody obvious. I haven’t heard of a single death in the uk that hadn’t had ‘underlying health issues’. COVID-19 Is particularly deadly for this patient group; it’s more likely to kill them than any current endemic disease, I expect. But for fit, healthy adults, the risk is negligible at an individual level, and our collective societal efforts are better spent protecting the vulnerable and keeping the economy going than hysterically running around in circles shouting ‘show me the evidence or I’m gonna die!’ And generally fretting.
Brilliant logic, someone should tell the MERS responders that it was pointless.
Your hypothesis, not mine. I think you're wrong. I think we do get resistance because so few people have had it twice, that can't be coincidence. We have plenty of data.
Yes, but what matters are the added deaths.
Selective quoting much......?
As I said the Venn diagram of cv19 deaths and people who would have died anyway this year of something else will have a massive overlap. I can understand why that isn't being reported widely, because it's a/ a guess and b/ fear response is part of the impetus to act but that doesn't make it wrong.
Just been down to the local shop (a Co-op). Very few tinned tomatoes or tinned veg, no pasta (along with pasta cook-in sauces), virtually no flour - I think there was a single kilo bag of plain left, about 50% stock of toilet rolls. Apart from that all shelves were full or being filled with new stock.
Joked with the woman at the till: "What are we panic buying today?" She just rolled her eyes and muttered "crazy". "There's stock in the system but we only have so much shelf and storage space. If the delivery truck is late or we are busy serving and can't get the deliveries onto the shelves then people think there's a shortage.".
The woman behind me in the queue had a Down's Syndrome son and she was obviously worried about him but had been unable to find any advice about his situation since pretty much everything was aimed at the elderly.
Pardon my french but it’s bloody obvious. I haven’t heard of a single death in the uk that hadn’t had ‘underlying health issues’. COVID-19 Is particularly deadly for this patient group; it’s more likely to kill them than any current endemic disease, I expect. But for fit, healthy adults, the risk is negligible at an individual level, and our collective societal efforts are better spent protecting the vulnerable and keeping the economy going than hysterically running around in circles shouting ‘show me the evidence or I’m gonna die!’ And generally fretting.
+1
The fact people have it and don't know they have it isn't really pointing to it being a significant killer for most healthy people.
In contrast people will be killing themselves because their business has folded or because they've lost their job. Or maybe people will die beacuse tax revenues have dropped because we've shut down half the economy.
We deffo need to get a grip and calmly follow the guidelines. There will be plenty of time for hysteria later if there's concrete stuff to get hysterical about.
Pardon my french but it’s bloody obvious. I haven’t heard of a single death in the uk that hadn’t had ‘underlying health issues’.
Oh well, let’s all defer to your anecdotes then. The imperial paper posted further back states that 1.2 percent of 20-29 year olds who are infected will require hospitalisation. That directly conflicts with your statement.
We have plenty of data
We do not, hence actual experts questioning the governments assumptions.
