Don’t get this. In a month we’re going to be World’s Public Enemy #1 – it’s everyone else that won’t want anything to do with us.
Getting 'our' retaliation in first. Plays well to the nobheads by creating the impression that there are 'dirtier' places out in Johnnyforeignerland.
Delta won’t be the last variant of concern we hear about.
Nope. And we stand a very high chance of being the source of the next one.
In the Guardian article it said the conditions we have (high level of cases, high level of vaccination) are perfect for promoting the emergence of an escape variant. The next few months are going to be shit.
So far we have created selective pressure that favours transmissibility. With a higher vaccinated proportion the next variant we incubate will probably be more heavily vaccine resistant. The Delta is already more transmissible than the 'old' variant. This will evolve according to the pressures placed on it.
We may well end up being (even more) of a global hate figure.
But quite a few of the fair rides are actually just lorry trailers people go inside as groups. The fair have tried to make it Covid “safe” but not enough to prevent transmission of Delta.
Reads like a dystopian sci-fi novel. Are we there yet?
I've just read the advice for CEV people like myself, advice is to not meet anyone indoors, outdoor groups of 30 or less, work from home if possible and avoid unvaccinated people. So pretty sure they are expecting almost everyone to get exposed to Delta over the next couple of months. I'm sticking to my current WFH arrangements, keep safe everyone.
I can’t stand the guy but I hope Boris continues to be lucky*
Given that he was talking you not we yesterday I don't think he feels it applies to him.
I'm wondering what happens when Delta outbreaks start to shut down whole businesses. As with the comment about about pubs - if there aren't enough staff they have to shut or go for open and be damned. I suspect it'll be the new PPI, diesel car... claim for insurance companies. Got Long Covid, life well and truly up the... call 01234...
Reads like a dystopian sci-fi novel. Are we there yet?
Fife has been there for some time.
Looking like we're gonna go to level 0 up here on 19th, though to be quite honest I'm not even sure what that means any more, mainly as it won't affect my usual day to day.
I’m wondering what happens when Delta outbreaks start to shut down whole businesses.
Well there is this suggested solution;
“What it is likely to result in is people turning the NHS app off. And I think unless the government address that pretty quickly, that will be the result of it. I think the government are aware of that.”
That is for festivals, not sure how thatd pan out across other sectors.
I've heard from an acquaintance that police are being told to ignore pings from the App as it is too speculative and they are already too short-staffed due to covid.
This acquaintance may or may not be a police officer.
Reading this thread it looks as though most of us will carrying on wfh, wearing masks, socially distancing and washing hands. This is also what my friends, most of my family and my customers will be doing.
Us is about 49%
The 51% will be flying the "**** Covid" flag
Is this some sort of deliberate strategy to try to hit peak covid admissions during the summer? Or is this just more idiotic populist politics by Boris and chums to hit a previously publicised “freedom day” (cringe)?
The two are not mutually exclusive, and the answer is clearly Yes to both.
We really are at the point where the government has said 1400 Covid deaths a week is their acceptable price to pay for "learning to live with it". They've finally answered that question at least.
52% is it not?
Headteacher I know had to send 100 kids home yesterday (1/6th of the school) because they weren't informed until yesterday about two kids who tested positive on Saturday. Also means breakfast and after school clubs shut down due to staff counting as contacts.
Edit: this was on top of another tranche she was able to inform on Saturday wouldn't be able to attend as they were contacts of another positive she did hear about.
My only consolation with having a moderately ill daughter in the house and the clock ticking until the rest of us get it is that we are just The Average Family on whom this experiment is being conducted and there are loads more like us.
What will piss me off volcanically is when this all turns out to be a waste of time when the Echo Variant turns up (having been incubated in the UK) and knocks us back to last year in the combating covid stakes.
Its not even about pubs & obvious exposure TBH. Junior & his form was asked to isolate last week and on his return to school he's discover the positive case in question was the boy who sits next to him. Now, Junior tested negative on Friday via a PCR test, but both me and Mrs K said we'd had a "tired achy week" for "no apparent reason" last week. Given that I was barely moving (I was tapering for an MTB event which I DNF'd had way through), you can't help wondering if we were carrying / fighting the virus. HR data says no but who knows...
knocks us back to last year in the combating covid stakes
Let's keep hoping the doesn't happen. And even if it does, that the vaccines (including boosters) will give people very good protection from more serious illness, even if they become ineffective against transmission of new variants. While we are still in the situation where vaccines are also reducing transmission, let's use that window to let people get fully vaccinated before we choose to expose them to (any variant of) the virus. Wear your mask. Keep your distance. If everyone else does the same, we can help small businesses stay open and trading without putting people at unnecessary risk of illness. Everyone* deserves the chance to choose to gain protection via vaccination not exposure.
[* I'm aware some people can't be vaccinated, but more people being vaccinated before we drop mask wearing etc helps them as well at this stage... and as TiRed keeps pointing out, other help is on the way for those folks... so let's buy them some time with our actions as well. ]
This is interesting… (I’m not approving or disapproving by the way, just find it it interesting)…
https://twitter.com/peddersophie/status/1414834569589764096?s=21
Lots of doom and gloom on here, and rightly so.
However one ray hope..numbers in Scotland seemed to have levelled off after a few weeks of massive growth. Could simply be school kids are on holiday, but maybe it's because we are getting to point where there is noone left to infect!
Reading this thread it looks as though most of us will carrying on wfh, wearing masks, socially distancing and washing hands. This is also what my friends, most of my family and my customers will be doing.
Whether you do this or not seems to split into two distinct groups, depending on how you answer the following question:
"do you think the last twelve months has represented a grotesque infringement on your god-given right to do whatever the * you like, with absolutely no consideration for anyone else, whatsoever?"
I reckon I'll be being more cautious than ever to account for all the gobshite libertarian bell ends, who now released from their supposed North Korea-esque captivity will immediately jettison their masks and go back to never washing their hands ever again, while coughing on everyone as they pile into enclosed spaces.
If we're all going to be involved in an enormous herd immunity experiment (which we all clearly are, whether we like it or not) I plan on giving myself a fighting chance and staying the * out of their way. At least there are presently some legal restraints to their bell-endery. Thats no longer the case after the 19th
Both parents ‘2’ above work for the NHS
There is a real phenomenon here. When your work is by far the most risky thing you can do and you are being exposed to covid all day every day its really hard to take risks outside of work where they are much lower seriously
its not right but it happens. I found this myself and I know of many others
The WHO have condemned the UK’s approach.
There is a real phenomenon here. When your work is by far the most risky thing you can do and you are being exposed to covid all day every day its really hard to take risks outside of work where they are much lower seriously
its not right but it happens. I found this myself and I know of many others
They are both 'management' and have been WFH during the pandemic. They don't give a **** so long as their holiday plans with their kids aren't disrupted. It is as simple as that.
My wife is patient-facing and has been PPE'd up the eyeballs for 15+ months. Suffering from the 'mask-ne' and the general discomfort of wearing PPE in a fetid, overheated hospital.
My wife is a better person than me, because if I was in her shoes 'Parents 2' will have been subject to a very sweary tirade as an absolute minimum.
Selfish, hypocritical cocks. That is literally all there is to it.
Could simply be school kids are on holiday, but maybe it’s because we are getting to point where there is noone left to infect!
Scotland were out the Euro's 3 weeks ago, that's bound to have had an effect too
The WHO have condemned the UK’s approach.
Ah, they won't get fooled again...
MCTD 👏👏
Scotland were out the Euro’s 3 weeks ago, that’s bound to have had an effect too
True dat.
It's noticeable how quiet the pubs in town are btw, I live in a town that's a bit of a local hotspot normally, and I'm not seeing the pubs returning to anything like the levels that folk appeared to be clamouring for during the actual restrictions.
Nichola Sturgeon just updates MSP's just pointedly said 'we will not be lifting restrictions simply to make our own lives easier....'
I wonder who that could have been aimed at?
Sensible.
Fair enough Danny - I assumed front line. why not report them via a whistelblowing process. Id be tempted
Binners - she is good isn't she. Not known as "Wee Nippy" for no reason
Binners – she is good isn’t she. Not known as “Wee Nippy” for no reason
Well, locally the majority I see out and about dont give a shit what shes saying. Mask wearing, social distancing, and use of hand sanitizer have completely stopped for 80+% of the people I see. Notably in food shops.
Just noticed on BBC news:
A third of people in England remain susceptible to Covid, a study looking at vaccine effectiveness and immunity after infection concludes
I imagine most of the cabinet take 66% being immune as job jobbed on herd immunity, got covid done, etc. ( we'll ignore that herd immunity was, what, 85% or 90% for the delta flavour ) .
Id be tempted
I am too, but the fact remains that our daughters are friends and......
All the usual social passive/aggressive etc stuff comes into play.
It shouldn't, but it does.
All the usual social passive/aggressive etc stuff comes into play.
I guess test and trace don't pass on who the contact who reported them was, for this reason. I could see it pretty easy to work out in many cases though.
Well, locally the majority I see out and about dont give a shit what shes saying. Mask wearing, social distancing, and use of hand sanitizer have completely stopped for 80+% of the people I see. Notably in food shops.
Interesting - where are you? mask wearing is close to 100% round here in leith and so is social distancing
Just over the water in Fife TJ
Coronavirus infections have exploded by more than 500 per cent over the last week, the country’s public health institute has said. Nearly 52,000 people in the Netherlands tested positive for COVID-19 over the past week
Yeah, allegedly their PM has call the UK to say "don't do this"...
On the plus side, Sadiq Kahn has finally done something. He's adding a Condition of Carriage to TFL's tubes and buses to mandate mask wearing, which also makes it enforceable. As a Londoner I see that as great news, and there's hint that Burnham may do the same.
Of course thats a Labour point scoring exercise in some respect but for the right reasons, and attacking Gov policy which is being condemned all over the place.
was it not “enforceable” anyway (what does that even mean, when you can just claim to be exempt)? Was in London a few weeks ago, mask wearing/social distancing very very poor in most places, particularly the tube. Will not be rushing back!On the plus side, Sadiq Kahn has finally done something. He’s adding a Condition of Carriage to TFL’s tubes and buses to mandate mask wearing, which also makes it enforceable.
I have found mask wearing etc pretty good in Edinburgh.
was it not “enforceable” anyway
Legally by the British Transport Police yes, this time it won't be that but TfL's enforcement officers.
particularly the tube
I had a good experience on the tube twice at the back end of 2020, but the realism is there is not enough enforcement to cover the tube, so its a bit of a paper tiger in some respects. Its the political principal thats being made I guess, and if it does mean more people wear masks then I'm all for that.
Just over the water in Fife TJ
Fife! that explains it 🙂
Was in London a few weeks ago, mask wearing/social distancing very very poor in most places, particularly the tube
Commuting on the tube less than before but I’ve found mask wearing compliance pretty good on the whole, obvious exception being football fans on Sunday night.
Out and about in sw London and Vauxhall, again it’s been pretty good.
when I say "mask wearing" I'm counting probably the 50% of people technically with one on, but pulled down under their nose, or regularly taking it off & putting it back again, as not wearing one 🤣I’ve found mask wearing compliance pretty good
i only put a mask on when i go into somewhere that requires it and I take it off when I come out. Does that count as compliance in your eyes?
