Actually, I take that link back. Seems to be bollocks!
I read something over the weekend that says taking ibuprofen is the worst thing you can take, it surpasses the immune system.
Paracetamol it is then.
Its just common sense. In its most basic sense these all reduce fever. Fever is the bodies way of increasing its temperature to destroy virus. You don't need to read a conspiracy theory to know that.
There was a report in the guardian about it, but I've also seen somewhere reporting it's 'fake' news
French government warned us not to take Ibuprofen in a public announcement. That's good enough for me.
It's an anti-inflamatory that supreses the immune system.
In the same announcement they said the Chinese age profile is not being followed in France. The average of people in reanimation is 54 IIRC; the age range is much lower than expected.
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Its just common sense. In its most basic sense these all reduce fever. Fever is the bodies way of increasing its temperature to destroy virus. You don’t need to read a conspiracy theory to know that.
Absolutely, it is a defence but sometimes the defence can be as damaging as the pathogen the body is fighting, hence the need to control fevers when they get out of hand on occasion and if appropriate.
No idea of that includes Covid.
Today the head tells us we will only shut if cases confirmed, lots of kids self isolating but not being tested. Attendance through the floor.
But we must stay open so everyone can go to work!
Except that the UK isn’t planning on doing anything to stop the virus spread and road hauliers won’t send their drivers into an uncontrolled zone. The was a truck driver on Europe 1 this morning talking about the problem. French employment law means that if a trucker decides his health is at risk he can stop working. You’re going to need requisitioned trucks with army drivers and disinfection similar to foot and mouth to get anything from Europe if the UK uses the “herd” approach and the infection rate reaches 15%.
Except the U.K. already is. What’s a uncontrolled zone this isn’t Outbreak. H&S law covers the health you risk you mention, this can be approached sensibly like any risk by minimising the risk. Driver into a U.K. port isn’t going to give covid 19. The disinfected levels you’re taking of are a massive exaggeration.
Just phone in sick A-A. It’s madness keeping schools open. Teachers (generally intelligent people) should just go on strike. If Madame’s school hadn’t been shut down by the government that was the way it was going anyhow. False sense of duty, your first sense of duty should be to your kids and helping to produce a load of orphans is **** stupid.
Thankfully AA and his colleagues are intelligent enough not to go sick but to ask for support.
Good luck with the sanitiser AA thanks to the greed and panic of the public the supplies are pretty much gone.
Two B-2 Stealth bombers just flew out of Fairford this morning. I guess Trump is trying everything to get the global supply of CV19 vaccines...
One of the interesting things Mr Leitch had to say is that it's far from inevitable that schools will close.
The average of people in reanimation is 54 IIRC
What does reanimation mean in this context? Recovered?
Attendance through the floor.
The penny has finally dropped with the Mrs as one of her mates has symptoms and is isolating. We'll probably be keeping the kids away from school after today. 15 year old still thinks she's going to a gig in Leeds on Friday. That's going to be an interesting conversation.
One of the interesting things Mr Leitch had to say is that it’s far from inevitable that schools will close.
I think it’s safe bet they will at some point.
It'll be fine the lack of testing will lead to a big reduction of cases in tge next few days!
Talked to a local doctor who works for the Out of Hours house visiting service. Not looking forward to telling families of 80 year olds in care homes that their relative isn't going to hospital but will just be getting symyptoms treated within the care home.
Given the projected death rate for over 80 yr olds is 10% the rates in care homes where many residents have poorer than average health for their age could be shocking. On Scottish news yesterday 6 residents in a Lanarkshire Care home tested positive.
On a personal level my 30 yr old son in Cambridge thinks he has it now. Mild version with cough and fatigue. My daughter thinks a colleague at work has it. My son's girlfriend's father who is being treated for cancer is waiting for test results.
As the UK government have decided not to bother with testing now and only doing it for hospital admissions (according to gp friend) how do people know if they have had it or not and wether they then have some immunity from it. For reference all last week I was ill and still not fully right now but would have no idea if it was covid or not.
They won't. Like conventional flu, the government will have methods to reliably estimate the extent of the virus in the population based on hospital testing, and hopefully will do random sampling here and there to check/confirm the degree of spread of active cases in the community.
As far as I am aware, there is currently no test for Covid-19 antibodies that will confirm if you've had it and are now recovered. So most people might know they've had a 'flu-like illness', but unless they need hospitalisation, it won't be confirmed as Covid 19.
But given that the flu season is starting to wane now, there is an increasing probability that any 'flu-like illness' from now on will be due to Covid 19. The degree to which that confers immunity from the virus is still debateable.
B-2 Stealth bombers
So that's what just went overhead.
Gatherings over 500 people banned in Scotland, Schools still open? Explain that.
It’ll be fine the lack of testing will lead to a big reduction of cases in tge next few days!
Or, they'll extrapolate from deaths and hospitalisations.
telling families of 80 year olds in care homes that their relative isn’t going to hospital but will just be getting end of life style medicines
That penny just dropped with the in-laws too. They're mid 70s now. Hypertension in both. Not sure my parents have got that message yet though, last week tunnel vision was still prevalent.
Gatherings over 500 are generally leisure-related, or at least seen as non-essential - gigs, matches, weddings etc, while the risk of schools being left open is being balanced against its economic/logistical value due to childcare, rightly or wrongly.
Gatherings over 500 people banned in Scotland, Schools still open? Explain that.
Football is less important then education.
One of the interesting things Mr Leitch had to say is that it’s far from inevitable that schools will close.
inevitable - cobra and local schools have already made plans for it .
its coming - hell some local schools have already taking the decision to close - other are having a deep clean before reopening.
lots of it no doubt knee jerk from parents telling schools they are self isolating their kid - to try and protect them no doubt.
If you had a relative that lives in the Gulf, would you be advising them to leave immediately? I know Qatar/UAE has introduced lockdowns now, public parks, etc. closed. But how are those states equipped to deal with a full-on epidemic? Politically speaking, they are unreliable and fascist in operation, but also I can't help but think they've got millions of low-paid, low-skilled wage slaves from neighbouring poor countries, who not only live in unhygienic and cramped conditions, but almost certainly have no/limited access to healthcare. A lot of Brits/Irish live in those places as workers, but they're rights are only secured by the fact they have employment and respective visas. Right now, flights are still in place - but for how long? It's really worrying to think of loved ones being stranded out there.
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Gatherings over 500 people banned in Scotland, Schools still open? Explain that.
It's not about stopping the spread, it's about freeing up emergency services, and creating the capacity there to deal with the coming issues.
Pretty clear most people didn't watch any of the press conferences last week. Would be fairly clear to you if you watched sturgeons.
Right now, flights are still in place – but for how long? It’s really worrying to think of loved ones being stranded out there.
my folks are in france. thats worrying enough, I'm incredibly glad I'm not working in africa at the moment ....
Several folk i know from my international days have quit their jobs and flown home to support family.
It’s not about stopping the spread, it’s about freeing up emergency services, and creating the capacity there to deal with the coming issues.
and slowing the spread by limiting size & rate of social interaction for non-essential stuff, like football.
see also, kids not dropping like flies
see also, impending crackdown on movements of the elderly
My daughter has a cough. The school is sending her home cos their guidelines are to send anyone home with a cough OR a temperature. Symptoms of COVID-19 are both cough and temperature AFAIK.
Football is less important then education.
bill shankly might disagree with that 😉
2018 BBC programme simulating a 2% mortality flu epidemic. They used a phone app to survey the movements of about 30000 people over the course of time. included modelling catching then passing through it then becoming immune. R0 set to 1.8 I think. That's lower than Covid.
Result was, nigh on two thirds of the entire country would go red within a few months, and we would see around 875,000 deaths. As far as I know, containment was not modelled. Another prediction, south east asia would be the source.
Even with flu where vaccines are possible "easily" the lag time from detection to vaccine did not prevent the full outbreak.
FFWD to 58mins for the results.
Symptoms of COVID-19 are both cough and temperature AFAIK.
Either as of last Thurs. Before that it was a bigger list. School are right to send her home now.
^ yeah, saw that in 2008 and recently as it was back on the iplayer when Haslemere popped up as one of the first (if not the first) place with community spread. Clearly Haslemere was chosen as a small but well connected community. They got that right.
We're both on 7 days isolation as of yesterday.
Wife has a cough, temperature and a tight chest.
If I could get tested, I could go back to work (NHS) where I'm needed.
But I can't.
My daughter has a cough. The school is sending her home cos their guidelines are to send anyone home with a cough OR a temperature. Symptoms of COVID-19 are both cough and temperature AFAIK.
A dry persistent cough and/or fever then isolate for 7 days from onset.
My daughter has a cough. The school is sending her home cos their guidelines are to send anyone home with a cough OR a temperature. Symptoms of COVID-19 are both cough and temperature AFAIK.
This why they'll end up closing schools (not because there's a fundamental reason to close schools) - because people who seem to reasonably intelligent have selectively read this instructions/guidance and been too busy arguing about epidemiology rather than get the simple stuff right:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/
A COUGH OR A TEMPERATURE - SELF ISOLATE FOR A WEEK.
I guess you have ignored this at home you should consider the whole family isolating too.
I'm told by somoene who know the testing teams that were travelling to peoples houses last week that a fair number weren't in when they turned up and when they called them "had just popped to the shops". The whole country will end up locked away because some people are too stupid or selfish to follow some simple instructions.
https://twitter.com/DomaineValescia/status/1239322797555449857
anyone see this slot on the news?
I can't find it but based on that, we had something similar about 10 days ago. been fine since, no temperature, elevated RHR for 24hrs, no appetite and a bit lethargic.
Based on that both our lads could have had it several weeks back. Both had headaches, slight fever / feeling cold, both ate very little for a day or two, both were lethargic for a day or two, then bounced back.
And a few weeks back you needed a fever, cough etc to even think that you might have had it. Very easy to see how it's completely rife already.
Based on that both our lads could have had it several weeks back. Both had headaches, slight fever / feeling cold, both ate very little for a day or two, both were lethargic for a day or two, then bounced back.
This is the problem with abandoning testing. We're going to have an entire country of people not knowing whether they should go out or not and panicking over when they're going to get it and whether they're infecting others. People can and will be sensible and level headed about this (I'm struggling tbh), but they need information and some degree of confidence of their own situation. Total shambles.
anyone see this slot on the news?
I imagine this was Claire Gerrada, the chair of the Royal College of GPs, who was interviewed via Skype despite looking like death warmed up. They followed up by sticking her on a split screen with John Ashton, whose rant about government incompetence wound her up so much it looked like it had set her recovery back by about 24 hours.
I can’t find it but based on that, we had something similar about 10 days ago. been fine since, no temperature, elevated RHR for 24hrs, no appetite and a bit lethargic.
Missing the important info tho; HoW MucH ToiLeT ROLL dId She gEt through?!???!??1?
we have a boy with a cough (amongst other 'common cold' symptoms) but no temperature; kept him away as didn't want him to be 'shamed' for putting everyone at risk even though we're sure he has a cold and nothing else
Grauniad article around the Ibuprofen thing - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/09/common-painkillers-ibuprofen-nsaids-raise-risk-heart-attack-study
I imagine this was Claire Gerrada, the chair of the Royal College of GPs
no, I heard her on R4 this morning. I don't think that's who the tweet is referring too.
no temperature, elevated RHR for 24hrs, no appetite and a bit lethargic.
I have that today, with a stiff back, neck and shoulders. But I did an MTB race yesterday and recovered with half a bottle of Malbec last night so am confused with the cause.
Grauniad article around the Ibuprofen thing –
Two years old, about something different.
yes I saw that this morning. She was in her 60s IIRC, although no underlying health issues. Was encouraging.anyone see this slot on the news?
