just that we’re going to have to do some pretty crazy shit to keep things functioning. There’s no prospect of any sort of business as usual.
Had something of an argument with the Mrs tonight on this (after the previous disagreement). Apparently I'm being hysterical and pessimistic. I admit I'm prone to seeing the negatives, but the problem is I prefer to have too much information than too little. I've read so much stuff on this from all sorts of sources and I'm still searching for anything that tells me I'm worrying too much. Instead it's the opposite. I really don't think many people have got their heads round how this is going to change everyday life. I'm pretty comfortable with locking myself away for as long as necessary, but it's pretty frustrating and scary that others aren't.
The Uk approach needs thinking through. A country that has endemic coronavirus will be completely cut off from Lock down countries. 14 day quarantine for any human movement minimum. No long distance truckers stopping off at the truck stop for a burger. No flights in or out. Given that we import our food, this is most concerning. Needs a massive quarantine area for any exports (our exports will have coronavirus all over them for 3 days minimum). Non UK buyers will just buy elsewhere as easier. Northern Irish border won't work. NI has to have same lockdown as Ireland, can't have endemic coronavirus in NI but not republic. NI border with UK will have to close.
Not sure how long economies can sustain lockdown.
End of days stuff I'm afraid. No way Africa, Asia and Latin america will be able to manage effective lock down.
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And who would we want in charge of the superpowers in time of world crisis? Trump and Putin? I don't think so.
But realistically how long can a European country remain in lockdown before economies start to tits up?
My thoughts exactly, the effect on everyone will be huge, rather than 'just' the old and infirm. I will lose elderly family and neighbours but rather that than my children or friends.
My biggest worry is this country not having enough food. It only takes one infection to close down a food manufacturer or supplier for a day for deep cleaning. There's no slack to account for this. Then there's our reliance on imported food and ingredients.
Draw bridge pretty much pulled up here.
Spent last day with other half for the foreseeable. We live separately, she works in the NHS and I'm worried for her. Not just the the virus but other complexities that will arise from it.
Tried to convince my bil to set up an account for online shipping with Tesco or whatever. Nope, he's too worried about using his debit card online... What can you do?
We are stocked up, sorted that a couple of weeks ago. Will just go out for prescription meds for myself and mother and not much else now. Keeping an eye on a guy down the road I know that is recovering from cancer and lives a very insular life as it is. He's "only" 63 but guessing his immune system is not great.
I'll go out for walks till the eventual lock down but I won't be going inside shops and will avoid others.
As with many on here, if I catch it I'll likely be ok.... that won't be the case for someone very dear to me.
Voluntary lock down is the only logical and moral choice for me.
Going luck all. Why not keep the thread friendly eh? Enough going on as it is without the personal ego clashes.
Well I'm up and at em, off to the virus farm, this immune herd of kids wont just breed themselves!
When your friend is dieing from myeloma cancer and has refused to let you visit, to see each other one last time it all gets a bit dusty
Bloody virus, I see his point though. I would be more likely to contract or cross infect if I do go therefore shortening the time left as they are still doing chemo and radio therapy b hence more vulnerable, but it's pointless as this is round 3 now
When your friend is dieing from myeloma cancer and has refused to let you visit
At least he knows, take care.
“ No long distance truckers stopping off at the truck stop for a burger. No flights in or out. Given that we import our food, this is most concerning. ”
This is complete scare mongering.
Other European countries that are in “lockdown” are still allowing road hauliers to move across borders and there’s nothing to suggest the U.K. will be any different. If Eurostar passenger services run less frequently there will
be more capacity for freight movements using the channel tunnel.
14 day quarantine for any human movement minimum.
It’s 7.
I’m making a note of all the spurious predictions, assertions and other nonsense on this thread and will be reminding everyone, when this is all over, of their stupidity. You have been warned.
Eeeek, we're already at the thought police. Isn't that meant to come after when Cumms has a coup whilst the country is battered and reeling?
It's all spurious predictions based on random ideas and pub talk. There's some useful stuff but there's a heck of a lot someone down the forum said. Might be 80:20 might be 1:100 for useful stuff.
A few weeks ago - this isnt going to go well we need to take drastic action would be seen as spurious prediction. The random might be right and the righteous might be wrong. When all this is over - I'm going to go for a ride. I'm not going to be looking for who had the most random theory. I'm going to be looking who's still here and who we are going to remember.
Anyway, that's me clocking on for another shift in the rabbit hole.
Well I’m up and at em, off to the virus farm, this immune herd of kids wont just breed themselves!
Cheers AA after a hectic weekend I can have a peaceful day today thanks to your colleagues.
It defo seems like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
None of us do. That being said,
Apparently I’m being hysterical and pessimistic.
I'd be inclined to agree with your wife. Step away from the internet and cut the noise out. You aren't preparing yourself, you're hoovering up the doom and passing it on.
This is complete scare mongering.
Concur.
I can have a peaceful day today thanks to your colleagues.
Sounds like you need it. Thanks to you and your colleagues as well, Drac.
Concur.
Don’t look at Italy then.
We’re all buying Drac drinks later in the year.
Tried to convince my bil to set up an account for online shipping with Tesco or whatever. Nope, he’s too worried about using his debit card online… What can you do?
slight digression from topic but we had this problem with my mil. we set her up with a monzo account a with a few hundred quid in it. allows her to pay for stuff contactless and shop online. she gets a notification of every transaction and can constantly monitor the balance etc which is improving her confidence in online spending. she is still adamant she must go into a branch to top it up so at the moment we do it for her... she is primary carer for very elderly parents and her less than healthy husband so they're in major lockdown.
It’s 7.
May need a currently before the numeral. We appear to know a lot about not much and this is going to change as the science is learned and disseminated.
Cheers Martin and Kelvin but there’s many other workers out there who will be supporting people through this by still working. It’s been an interesting weekend, mentally exhausting due to the dynamic changes and logistics involved but also very interesting. Our staff just march on as usual all they ask for a is the gear to do their job.
I reckon as more go into isolation particularly if the over 70a get advised to isolate we’ll see a true community spirit come through, the same as we’ve seen in heavy snow and floods. 99% of humans are amazing and will help anyone and everyone.
May need a currently before the numeral. We appear to know a lot about not much and this is going to change as the science is learned and disseminated.
Yes it may change the same way it changed from 14 to 7.
Not just you NHS troopers we’ll be thanking. My aunt is in charge of nursing at a care home (she was an RAF nurse, so not an NHS escapee)… one of the invisible health care professionals… their work is suddenly about to be much more appreciated by the general public.
My wife is an RAF nurse, so when not deployed she works on the NHS wards like many of her colleagues. Her attitude at the moment seems to be business as usual and carry on while planning is done in the background.
Other European countries that are in “lockdown” are still allowing road hauliers to move across borders and there’s nothing to suggest the U.K. will be any different
Except that the UK isn't planning on doing anything to stop the virus spread and road hauliers won't send their drivers into an uncontrolled zone. The was a truck driver on Europe 1 this morning talking about the problem. French employment law means that if a trucker decides his health is at risk he can stop working. You're going to need requisitioned trucks with army drivers and disinfection similar to foot and mouth to get anything from Europe if the UK uses the "herd" approach and the infection rate reaches 15%.
Just phone in sick A-A. It's madness keeping schools open. Teachers (generally intelligent people) should just go on strike. If Madame's school hadn't been shut down by the government that was the way it was going anyhow. False sense of duty, your first sense of duty should be to your kids and helping to produce a load of orphans is ****ing stupid.
So last week each classroom was equiped with hand sanitiser and we were told the school had loads and to ask for more if it runs out, today I ask for more, we havent got any...trust? Not much!
Don’t look at Italy then.
Oh, I must have missed the bit about massive food shortages, got a link?
Just phone in sick A-A. It’s madness keeping schools open. Teachers (generally intelligent people) should just go on strike.
Brilliant idea, with no contingencies in place for child care I can't see how that could possibly end badly.
Is everyone else resigned that they're going to get it now? I think I am.
I've decided to avoid twitter for the foreseeable you've got every Tom, Dick or Harry Blue-tick retweeting accounts of people going through hell with it. Tales of all sorts of stuff and it's all uncorroborated.
Then it's all the smug types posting pics or empty shelves in supermarkets or the 'poignant' of an older person stood looking at them to moan about panic buyers - IF YOU'RE POSTING PICKS OF EMPTY SHELVES YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. I ended up in 3 supermarkets at the weekend (not to panic buy) and there was toilet paper, milk, teabags and whatever else on the shelves - not a huge selection, but it was there, if we keep sharing pics of empty shelves as if they were taken today, people will keep panicking.
The Papers seem to be almost celebrating it in that sick way they do Wars for sales, the front page of The Scum today is abhorrent. Exploiting an SM pic of a dead man as "Youngest to Die" like a football result, it's disgusting.
cock womble
Talking of which.
Joris will be giving daily briefings from now on.
Scrutiny avoidance can only go so far, it seems.
we should probably accept that whatever choice we make the science isn’t as robust as some make it out to be
So, do you think Whitty and his team are useless, or are they not being listened to?
Except that the UK isn’t planning on doing anything to stop the virus spread
I'm pretty sure it is.
Scrutiny avoidance can only go so far, it seems.
briefing being the operative word, I wonder how many questions he'll take.
I may be completely out of line on this, but a thought triggered by a conversation in Aldi at the weekend. A woman was talking about how because of the virus she and her husband had had their hours cut and as a result didn't know how they were going to pay the rent and feed the kids.
I hope someone, somewhere in government is calculating that the cure won't cost more than the disease in human suffering terms. In trying to stop the spread of something which has the worst impact on the old and infirm, we are going to put lots of the strain on the working poor with a likely increase in deprivation. We know there is a correlation between that and poor health and longevity. I wonder if we're going to save one part of the population only to damage another by at least as much.
@somafunk or who ever deleted my post. Whats the point? Obviously I didn't believe the story or I wouldn't have said it was a conspiracy, or was it the fact I called him a cock womble for even thinking anyone could believe that trash? Just said it was an interesting story, story being the keyword there.
Except that the UK isn’t planning on doing anything to stop the virus spread
Perhaps the Gov strategy isn't robust enough, letting people catch it etc but companies and schools are taking things into their own hands with closures and people wfh.
raybanwomble
Member
Defo seems like people are wanting us to jump too early to meIt defo seems like you don’t know what you’re talking about. Others have posted the genuine concerns of actual experts, we should probably accept that whatever choice we make the science isn’t as robust as some make it out to be and that we are learning as we are going. Maybe the least risky strategy politically and epidemiologically is the one the government should be adopting. People can forgive or forget a hit to their wallets, they won’t forgive or forget their parents dying
I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about?
You seem to put zero stock in economic collapse. The consequences of that are probably worse than the virus.
It's not about people's wallets or profit. It's about keeping society functioning.
I notice you didn't answer my question too. How long can they/we stay in lockdown?
Next question, why are your 'chosen' experts better than the government experts?
Is everyone else resigned that they’re going to get it now? I think I am.
I was always resigned to it. Equally I am 'content' that I am not in an at risk group and the odds that it will be minor for me are vastly good.
My wife who has asthma (badly in my opinion but minor in medical terms) and is patient-facing in the NHS, I am more worried about.
Also, what of our jobs in the future?
ftse is heading south again, should fall through the 5000 point mark in 5,4,3... when will this start effecting house prices ?
briefing being the operative word, I wonder how many questions he’ll take.
He'll end up looking shifty, evasive and out of his depth.
Which he is.
P-Jay
Member
Is everyone else resigned that they’re going to get it now? I think I am.
I am seriously doing pretty much everything I can to avoid that scenario for the same reason I think a lot of others are. Getting it could totally screw the person you share a house with if they are infirm or elderly.
I'm honestly envious of those who probably know that if they get out it will only impact themselves directly for a while then it's over.
It's almost like the virus is exploiting social and family structures to its advantage.
My wife who has asthma (badly in my opinion but minor in medical terms) and is patient-facing in the NHS, I am more worried about.
the wife has a pretty strong inhaler (which tends to use first thing but not much after that) And was looking online for what the increased risk with c19 an asthma not that much out there just generic stuff on hand washing calling 111 no different to advice to anyone else. Does anyone have numbers/info on the actual additional risk ?
considering there are 5.4 million Asthma sufferers in the UK are they going to be added to the 4 month self isolation group along with the over 70's ?
ftse is heading south again, should fall through the 5000 point mark in 5,4,3… when will this start effecting house prices ?
Soon, with any luck.
Sorry if it's bin dun
And was looking online for what the increased risk with c19 an asthma not that much out there
The trouble with asthma (both myself and my wife are asthmatic) is that it gets lumped in with 'chronic respiratory conditions' for the purposes of things like free flu jabs. So the risk is being evaluated alongside stuff like emphysema, COPD etc. I've also seen nothing that properly separates out the effects of age + lung condition.
As far as I can determine from the limited data out there, there is an elevated risk, but not massively, provided your asthma is well managed. So the priority for any asthmatic would be to make sure they are taking their medication as directed to keep it under control as much as possible.
The next question is whether asthma will qualify as a self-isolating condition when the government eventually asks the elderly and 'vulnerable' to do this, or whether this will be limited to people with more severe respiratory conditions.
Absolutely resigned to getting it. Gave up worrying about that a few weeks ago. Given my usual state of anxiety and depression, I'm quite pleased with that.
I'm minimising the risk to try and delay it, but far more concerned about elderly relatives and friends with kids with compromised immune systems.
Poring over all the figures won't help, looking to blame someone for not doing what I think they should have done won't help, watching some on here paralysing themselves with fear isn't going to help. I'm just carrying on more or less as normal while waiting for the storm to come. Little more I can do now.
Heres the reality of the situation:
Just got in to the place where I'm working at the moment and one of the women in the office is sat there coughing and sneezing, with all the symptoms of flu, which she's been ill with all weekend. In response to the obvious question "WTF are you doing here in that state?" she replied "I can't afford not to be here"
She has just been told to get the **** out of the office, immediately, go home and self-isolate for the next two weeks.
EDIT: In true fashion the Chinese whispers gossip-machine has gone into overdrive and now she's definitely got Covid-19 and she's probably infected everyone in the place and we're definitely all going to die!🙄
I read something over the weekend that says taking ibuprofen is the worst thing you can take, it surpasses the immune system.
Paracetamol it is then.
I too am resigned to catching it, doesn't seem that bad if you aren't in any other those vulnerable groups. Best get it over with I reckon.
bikebouy
Subscriber
I read something over the weekend that says taking ibuprofen is the worst thing you can take, it surpasses the immune system.
Wouldn't happen to have a link mate?
ftse is heading south again, should fall through the 5000 point mark in 5,4,3… when will this start effecting house prices ?
Soon, with any luck.
I suspect lots of old peoples houses will be on the market in 6 to 9 months.
Seen that on faceboak re ibuprofen. Sounds a myth.
Heard Jason Leitch Q and A on radio this morning, National Clinical Director for Healthcare Quality and Strategy in Scotland.
Calm, assured and informed, was very good, I'll need to see if I can find the listen again.
