“Stay at home – unless you fancy a nice trip out in the car for a walk”
Was that the government explanation or just the person from the BBC? Didn't feel the BBC had helped the situation on the tea time Q&A. I felt like banging my head on the table. It did seem like they backtracked slightly with a other people could also have had the same idea. Atleast it's cold this weekend.
In OAP world - following up yesterdays plan. Reasonably successful - early morning walk, observed someone else from a safe distance whilst out and about, worked, got the work thing collected, did the shop thing, got home stayed in. Didn't socially distance any of the neighbours.
Total transformation on the roads - farmers, delivery vans and a hand full of random roadies dispersed along the route. Supermarket had maybe 30 people in - marked standing waiting zones / person at the door cleaning baskets prior to use. Not really any noise or chatter in the supermarket.
No bread, no meat, no tins, no bog roll, no hand-wash limitrd fruit and veg in my local big Tesco thisc evening
Flame awsy but i worked today.
Maybe if you'd not worked ,as per government advice and instead gone for your essential shopping during the day you would have found what you needed.Did my mum's shopping today,plenty of stuff available and the supermarket had the fewest customers I have ever seen there.
I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.
Everybody dies.
Chances of dying from this virus are very slim for the vast majority.Be sensible and you should have a longer life. Best of luck with the business.
Good evening folks.
Right any fake news posts will be dealt with please check your facts as if not you may get a ban long enough to see us through the lock down.
Take care folks and goodnight.
I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.
I'm not that fussed tbh, I've had a good run, considering.
I'm desperate to get back to work - Monday hopefully.
I work in one of the safest places in Britain.
If all staff are sensible then we should be able to make a difference.
Not sure if this has been posted but it's encouraging to see on the ft graph that the death rate curve in the U.K. is slowing down. Might just be a blip but hopefully with these new measures thing will not get as bad as Italy.
nick1962 - harsh.
boomerlives - thanks for the link; just volunteered - let's see what happens.
I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.
Try not to be. If you have no underlying medical issues, there is much less reason to be concerned. If you do, isolate yourself and others will help. Othe people are surprising. They are also hugely under-reported.
With regards to paying the rent, I believe that like any very serious blockage to a complex system, things will improve. The government is the lender of last resort and is putting the economy into hibernation. It's not being crashed - but it will take time to settle. They will not have people being thrown onto the streets, but it will need time.
No battle plan survives the first encounter with the enemy.
Now back to Radio 3... seriously try it. Great for the mood.
"least"
Maybe if you’d not worked ,as per government advice and instead gone for your essential shopping during the day you would have found what you needed.Did my mum’s shopping today,plenty of stuff available and the supermarket had the fewest customers I have ever seen there.
How’s that work then as I didn’t get anything to eat until 9 hours into my 12 hour shift, should I have skipped that quick 15 minutes to go shopping. I know when I was planning to have my break and ended up consoling a member of staff for an hour who was heartbroken as they were having to leave their family for 2 weeks to live in isolation. I should have told them **** you pal I need bog roll.
Just listening to inside health on radio4 and they are talking about the death rate in Italy. I was aware that they had an aged population but not that their smoking rates are double the UK’s and that of all deaths in Europe attributed to anti biotic resistance a third are in Italy! All of which means they really are up against it. Awful for them but maybe some hope that it won’t be as bad across the rest of Europe.
boomerlives – thanks for the link; just volunteered – let’s see what happens.
I tried but only available in England at the moment.
Drac for glorious leader
Free ipads for everyone
Lamdlords. Banned from evictions due to non payment of rent for 3 months, hth.
While we're mentioning Italy this appeared on Twitter, https://twitter.com/johnthemadmonk/status/1242197589027676167?s=21
Another company to add to the shit list....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52007155
I hadn’t realised the rampant trade in private testing. I read an article last week about Portsmouth FC testing it’s whole team - been happening loads apparently.
Drac
SubscriberMaybe if you’d not worked ,as per government advice and instead gone for your essential shopping during the day you would have found what you needed.Did my mum’s shopping today,plenty of stuff available and the supermarket had the fewest customers I have ever seen there.
How’s that work then as I didn’t get anything to eat until 9 hours into my 12 hour shift, should I have skipped that quick 15 minutes to go shopping. I know when I was planning to have my break and ended up consoling a member of staff for an hour who was heartbroken as they were having to leave their family for 2 weeks to live in isolation. I should have told them **** you pal I need bog roll.
Drac The poster works in a brewery from what I can gather,not quite the same as an emergency worker.
The govt need to really get a handle on giving a clear message. It's leading to situations where people are selectively picking up on what suits them. Just been on the phone to my mum who is obeying the rules but my dad is ignoring the rule to stay inside at all times for over 70's and vulnerable people (he's 80 and undergoing chemo) and all he hears is that it's ok to go for a walk once a day so this morning he took the dog for a walk to the newsagents to get the papers. He's adamant he'll do it again tomorrow.
Their lack of cohesion on official advice is genuinely going to kill people.
The govt need to really get a handle on giving a clear message. It’s leading to situations where people are selectively picking up on what suits them. Just been on the phone to my mum who is obeying the rules but my dad is ignoring the rule to stay inside at all times for over 70’s and vulnerable people (he’s 80 and undergoing chemo) and all he hears is that it’s ok to go for a walk once a day so this morning he took the dog for a walk to the newsagents to get the papers. He’s adamant he’ll do it again tomorrow.
Their lack of cohesion on official advice is genuinely going to kill people.
It really is very, very clear. How much clearer do you want it? A tattoo, perhaps?
A tattoo? No. Instructions about which workers should still be travelling to communal work places? Yes. Closing newsagents? Dunno, but you can’t expect people not to walk or drive to shops you allow to stay open.
A tattoo? No. Instructions about which workers should still be travelling to communal work places? Yes.
Different question, agreed confirmation is needed. But for the above, the rules are quite clear and if in doubt, don't go out.
It really is very, very clear. How much clearer do you want it? A tattoo, perhaps?
What the outside world thinks of Boris' actions.
Others deem it not to be clear or cohesive.
I thought the over 70s had been dropped from the cocooned group?
What the outside world thinks of Boris’ actions.
Others deem it not to be clear or cohesive.
Apologies if I sound flippant, that's not my intention - but the rules are quite clear although if folk decide to find a small loophole then more fool them - but that also affects everybody else.
Don't go out unless absolutely necessary.
Apologies if I sound flippant, that’s not my intention – but the rules are quite clear
But they are not clear
If they say no one goes out unless they are a key worker then there is a list of key workers and your employer will have informed you that you are a key worker ( which is in goverment websites)
Bojo has said essential workers and some employers are classing people as essential workers (who are clogging up trains/tubes in London) so there is no government definition of an essential worker = unclear advice
Plus a few on here have said the advice is not clear (to them) so then surely that makes it not clear?
I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.
Correct me if I'm wrong but about 96% (subject to change of course) of those who contract Covid 19 in the UK recover without dying.
The entire 60 odd million population of the UK will not contract it, that hasn't happened anywhere including the worst affected nations.
Lets get a grip here!
I won't hold it against you GlennQuagmire, these are extraordinary times that none of us have ever contemplated happening here. Apart from the obvious trolls on here I'm giving everyone a lot of slack for what they type on here, a lot of people have no point of reference for what is happening to use as a basis for making informed decisions. It's that exact reason why we need clear rules defining how we conduct ourselves. This place has even helped me come to terms with what's happening right now so I can't expect everyone else to just figure it out on their own. Not having a pop at you whatsoever, more talking about us as a whole. We need each other to get through this intact.
Morning folks,
Open your windows and air your beds it's another day in the rabbit hole.
Get ready to marvel at how you could spend a day in and still wake up to washing up.
Are you Morris Dancing your way through the new rules of life towards an answer that sounds something like - The dog ate my home work. You're not really getting the rules of the game are you? It's still the only one in town - protect people, protect the NHS.
Take care and be kind.
The entire 60 odd million population of the UK will not contract it, that hasn’t happened anywhere including the worst affected nations.
Lets get a grip here!
Whilst that may be a correct statement, the pages above are testimony to people being idiots and not being able to listen to simple instruction.
No not everyone will die, but people WILL DIE UNNECESSARILY
FWIW my folks are referring to this
And don’t count the collection of daily newspapers as necessities, and although this has changed in the last few days, the attitudes of most of their family/friends/neighbours have shifted significantly as well. And people are staying in under pretty much all circumstances.
The dog is now exercised in the garden too, food that comes into the house is delivered, and selected on the basis of infection control. E.g. tinned food, or food that will be cooked with high frequency hand washing. I don’t think enough tinned options are available.
I suspect with my parents at least, this attitude is influenced by cancer/chemo treatment in the last couple of years.
The joke at present is that the front door is sealed with duct tape.
Apologies if I sound flippant, that’s not my intention – but the rules are quite clear
But they are not clear
They are - go to work if you cannot work from home unless your business is on the must-close list.
Not saying thats the right rule, but its the rule.
The problem stems from companies that can't accept their employees can be trusted to work from home or keep their employees safe through PPE and distancing. What happens then? Thats the lack of clarity.
The best countries at having dealt with CV19 haven't shut down. They have used testing, screening, sanitising and PPE effectively to deal with the issue. Taiwan, right next to china and with a population that travel to and fro constantly has barely skipped a beat. Next years bike supply is safe. Far east countries have this stuff pretty much down now since H1N1 Sars etc. Why our Govt. couldn't just cookie cutter their approach is beyond me.
I live in a market town and the market is being set up today as I write, i'm seething tbh tainted with despair.
These traders reside from all over the country, should I pop down and remonstrate or have a mooch I might get myself a bargain.
Might be worth a read
Claim of 86% of Chinese infection are undocumented And that 86% accounts for 79% of infections.
Back to the “it’s just a cold mate” thing, if they had any symptoms at all.
These traders reside from all over the country, should I pop down and remonstrate or have a mooch I might get myself a bargain.
If people stay away they will slope off. The council should move them on though.
Reasonably successful – early morning walk, observed someone else from a safe distance whilst out and about
Me too. Saw binners on Holcombe Hill and stayed well away from him. It's good advice all year round...
Just a PSA. Ocado is open/opening and when ordering you can elect food to donate to food banks - if you do they’ll double your contribution. Please try to do that if you can, even the smallest contribution helps someone.
Has anyone received a NHS letter ?
I'm on my GP's vulnerable list for flu vaccinations due to an auto-immune condition and had half expected a letter or text ??
Read that New Scientist piece. It's very worrying and why we need huge roll out of tests. For the last few days I've not felt 'quite right'. Slight chestiness, croak in my voice, dry scratchy eyes. But no cough or temperature. So not enough criteria to self isolate, but possibly infected.
Also, the Law Society advising that they envisage on/off lockdown for 2 years.
Thank you, and apologies once again if I came over as a bit of an arse, that really wasn't my intention. That's not like me at all - quite clearly all of this is having an effect on me. Like you say, it's unchartered water for all of us. Time for me to be more positive (well, I'll try to be!).
Looks like Guys and St Thomas's have helped develop a symptoms tracker app to help try and track the spread of the un-diagnosed cases
They'd like people to track even if they're feeling well at the moment
Our GP surgery has shut. They have 4 out of five doctors off sick.
They have been great at sending out texts, ASKING us to help ourselves.
The local tip has shut - Goodness knows what the next door neighbour will do with his 4 bags of weekly rubbish (yes 4 bags). Really hope they don't fly tip it.
Yes it's getting harder and harder for hubby and I to get through to our parents that they must stay in (except for a quick walk alone and not near anyone else), or have friends, neighbours and family round. Their excuses are not going down well with me.
at the risk of being flippant, could anyone with more time than sense overlay a graph of posts per day on this thread onto the CV19 graphs. I sense we've peaked for absolute posts, but argumentative / condescending ones are still growing. There's a lot of posts going un-noticed too, because they're saying what's already been said and no-one is paying any attention to them.
I'm worried though that this thread could ebb and flow for another 12-18 months, unless certain individuals start to observe a distancing policy - maybe only 1 post per 2 pages?
Here's something coronavirus related, but instead of being an utter LOOK AT ME **** and starting YET ANOTHER new thread I'll stick it in here 😉
Sky Sports users can pause their sub while there's no live sport on. Just in case you didn't know - just go to the MySky site and follow the covid blah link.
Their excuses are not going down well with me.
Hang in there Bunnyhop - I feel your pain. They do get it in the end.
In the experience of walking a mile in someone else's shoes, I now vague inkling of what it's like to have teenagers.
I live in a market town and the market is being set up today as I write, i’m seething tbh tainted with despair.
I'm not sure I understand how this is any different to a supermarket being stocked, staffed and opening.
If people are buying food from the market, that is food they would have otherwise bought from the supermarket.
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I am quite scared to be honest, I dont want to die.Correct me if I’m wrong but about 96%
More llke 99 to 99.5%. they seem fairly confident the mortality rate is about 0.5 to 1%. Don't use the official tested numbers to infer a mortality ate,
I work for a retirement home in France and from today all meals will be taken in the bedrooms.
It means those residents won't see anyone apart apart from 1 or 2 staff for the next 4 to 5 weeks.
Thought for the day....
You know what would be interesting to see is gov estimations on how much the measures in place have actually had an effect so far, ie like daily updates, society functioning at 90% first, 70, 50, 30% for example after each measure or this measure should see us at X%, then state we need to get this down to X%... Let the general public know how much more needs to be done.
2nd thought for the day..
Forty-nine percent of the UK construction industry’s workforce is officially self-employed – sort of – latest tax office numbers reveal.
A Freedom of Information request made by the Unite union to HM Revenue & Customs revealed that 1.12 million construction workers were paid via the Construction Industry Scheme (CIS) in 2017/18. This is a 4% increase on the figures for 2016/17.
Do you think that's maybe the reason sites are still open? They've not figured out the SE situation yet?
LOL why would they want to quantify it when vague waffle works so well.
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Member
Has anyone received a NHS letter ?
I’m on my GP’s vulnerable list for flu vaccinations due to an auto-immune condition and had half expected a letter or text ??
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable
just watched Nick Crane eating a fish supper on the tv show Coast. i am now massively craving a chippy tea!!
ed. just checked, our local chippy is still open! - not that bothered now 😀
The last paragraph is especially alarming. Good job there's a sensible, intelligent, restrained, compassionate and astute decision maker in command of the US army.
stevextc
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Has anyone received a NHS letter ?
I’m on my GP’s vulnerable list for flu vaccinations due to an auto-immune condition and had half expected a letter or text ??
I have as I'm apparently high risk. There are groups within that - High, medium, low. It depends on your meds/conditions.
This link contains guidance and gives you the general gist of it. Seen similar for other conditions: https://www.crohnsandcolitis.org.uk/news/advice-for-people-with-crohns-and-colitis-self-isolation-social-distancing
I think i'm in a lower group based on the guidance above but I wont be going out to any enclosed public places like shops etc anyway. I'm also mid 30's and never really get any colds so must have some form of immune system so I'm not panicking. I think they've used it a bit bluntly, one size fits all etc so best to think about your situation.
Here's my take on the Oxford "study" for anyone that will have read the news this morning:
If it was here earlier, then where was the epidemic of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) - a normally rare respiratory complication? I consider the analysis, (or most-likely the reporting of it) irresponisble in the extreme. In the exponential phase of an epidemic, the initial conditions play a huge role in the trajectory - on a log-scale this is the intercept, not the slope. A better analysis would be that we do not know, so more surveillance is needed to help us know.
To be honest, when all you have to analyse data is one tool that is a very simple model, it will be found wanting in the absence of data. These models are helpful in POLICY decisions, once things are known (e.g., influenza). They are also useful to show what we DO NOT know. Forget the 50% figure - what was the confidence limit on the headline prediction 5-95% of the population? or 47-52%? There is a HUGE difference.
The Imperial analysis paints a picture of what may happen. With sensitivity analysis about what we do not understand, it shows that spread is likely to overwhelm the health systems. That is clearly coming to pass in other like-countries. What makes us different?
Yes it’s getting harder and harder for hubby and I to get through to our parents that they must stay in... Their excuses are not going down well with me.
Having the same, my mother insists on going out to the shops, often by bus. She doesn’t need anything or seem to buy anything but she won’t stop and takes no notice of me. I have asked my brothers to get her grandchildren to nag her into stopping, hopefully this will bear fruit.
If half the country has already had it, why are the deaths and hospital still rising in the way that they are?
What makes us different?
Nothing, nada, squat, zip. Apart from a bumbling early response which will hurt us unnecessarily.
Weak request to "stay out pubs" made at a similar time in the progression to Italy's Lombardy lockdown. I would aasume similar adherence, here, lots of idiots getting down t'pub before the lock on the Big Boris Friday Bash, there, lots of Italians ignored the problem, see the Mayor of Milan, "Milan doesn't stop" 27/2.
Later, serious request, accompanied by legislation, at a similar time to Italy's country wide lockdown.
Similar growth in deaths, and confirmed cases, tracking closely, UK around 2/3 of the deaths at any point in the curve so far. All may change. The Great British Bank Holiday Weekend, where big crowds of idiots went to the same places to do their social distancing together, will have a negative effect, question is, how much.
Could very likely make the same comparisons with Spain and France, although France got in quicker with lockdown and Spain got in late.
[TL:DR] "Judge me not by my point estimate, but by my prediction interval".
Oh - there aren't any in the "paper". Is it 50% (5-97%) or 50% (47-55%)? There is a HUGE difference. Irresponsible.
Apparently an oxford uni study reckons up to 50% of the population may have already had/got it..
Can't see that being the case however it would be great news if true!
How could you read what he wrote, and then post that?
You’re going to have to dumb it down @TiRed … try using just three words.
I did wonder that too
There's Prince Charles tested positive for corona.
Prince Charles has it now..
Crikey..
He’ll have met a lot of people too.
try using just three words.
...antibody tests needed?
TiRED is bang on about that Oxford study. It takes massive assumptions and tries to make it fit instead of taking the data we have that is ever present from all the countries affected so far and working from that. I can't believe these authors have even postulated the theory far or less decided to start testing people. I can only expect it is due to a rivalry with Imperial and their noses being out of joint that they weren't the ones that changed the political direction?
Prince Charles is a super spreader given the amount of hands he shakes.
Luckily he’s got a nice second home in Scotland where the local press won’t complain that he’s taking up resources.
Also, I imagine he’s self isolating with twenty of his most useful servants.
Well this is a cheery read.
The last paragraph is especially alarming. Good job there’s a sensible, intelligent, restrained, compassionate and astute decision maker in command of the US army.
It's bloody awful journalism, that's what it is. I could have written that in less than 50 words.
Bad things are happening. We don't know how bad they are or how they will play out. There are other bad things not directly linked to other bad thing. Those might happen too. Double bad. But we just don't know. Anyway, let's ping that off to the editor and get paid.
The thing that strikes me about the Oxford study, is why if so many folks have already had it are we only now seeing lots of people seriously ill/dying
I'm no scientist, but even I can see the flaw with that theory..
Prince Charles tested positive for corona.
Travelled to his holiday home instead of staying in London, he chose to go Ballater dragging his household, Police and other support staff with him.
Absolutely incredible and displays a complete lack of common sense as well as a total disregard for the current situation.
But my mummy is queen so **** you all. Way to go Charlie......
They discussed it briefly on the PM programme on R4 last night and dismissed it because there were no corresponding deaths.
Prince Charles having Corona might be the closest he gets to having a crown!
Bit ironic really...
Prince Charles catching the deadly coronavirus after his dad said he'd like to be reincarnated as a deadly virus
The current coronavirus outbreak is no exception, with a remark Prince Phillip made back in 1988 resurfacing.32 years ago, the Queen’s husband spoke on the topic of reincarnation, and what he would come back as if such a thing existed.
He said: “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.”
Prince Charles is a super spreader given the amount of hands he shakes.
Yip, certainly looks that way...
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1242763425987670016
Wonder how many less publicised functions he's been attending; imagine if it spread amongst the diplomatic community!!
https://twitter.com/chris_breeze/status/1150834963618705412
I’m no scientist, but even I can see the flaw with that theory.
I am (and was in the group), but you don't need to be. Your analysis is correct.
Prince Charles having Corona might be the closest he gets to having a crown!
Genuine LOL there. I hope he's OK, but it is a little darkly humourous. And dark humour is what gets people through adversity. Not that nonesense from Oxford.
A local Chinese woman went into my partner’s GP Surgery yesterday (she’s the practice manager) with 50 masks that the surgery had been unable to source anywhere. She dropped them off with a link to this website:
https://covid-19.alibabacloud.com/
What’s interesting is that I think we’re seeing the start of a massive shift in soft power and global influence as the US screws up and China steps into the breach for the rest of the world.
As crazy as Trump is, it can’t be good having the Chinese dictatorship as world leaders.
Princes Trust Awards were 7th March. At that point in time, there were maybe 200 cases and 2 deaths. Not even on the radar for most people. And if it was, it was likely "an Italian problem".
wheras
Anglo Omani Society reception - 19th March. That was the day before every Patriotic Brit went to The Pub before they were shut. Well done, Charles. Not. Just demonstrating, one rule for us one rule for them.