I do wonder where all the people that have learned they get a dopamine buzz from conspiracy delusions are going to turn when this is all over. We already have next to no restrictions, and they are scratching around for an outrage hit.
Looks like no facemasks will be required in any settings from 19 July.
That's great news.
I'm glad you're happy
I do wonder where all the people that have learned they get a dopamine buzz from conspiracy delusions are going to turn when this is all over.
Immigration and brown people and their associated benefits claims/fraud? thats the default. There will be a whole new twist to it as we have fully Brexited now.
I reckon there’ll pivot to climate change. They’ve no real political allegiance - only an allegiance to the batsh1t crazy..
That’s great news.
I guess - roughly speaking they are happy with the current 0.15% death vs case rate and 13.5% admissions vs case rate then.
It won't stop me wearing a mask or washing my hands in public areas such as Tubes, and I hope is doesn't see an end to table service in pubs.
I guess – roughly speaking they are happy with the current 0.15% death vs case rate and 13.5% admissions vs case rate then.
Hopefully that 13.5% will drop with vaccination roll out complete, and then starting again with next vaccination in autumn, drop further. The bouncing about of hospital numbers suggests that stays are a shed load less time than previously, due to those admitted being younger and having less comorbidities?.
It won’t stop me wearing a mask or washing my hands in public areas such as Tubes, and I hope is doesn’t see an end to table service in pubs.
Defo, I really hope some folks realise how they've been dirty wee shits before this. Canny see the pub table service staying though.
I hope is doesn’t see an end to table service in pubs.
Yeah that has been nice. I can't see the appeal of being able to queue at a bar again, that was never a fun experience.
Point of principle mainly. I don’t believe government should have that level of involvement in my life.
I too don't want the government to have too much involvement with my life, and resent it telling me what I can and can't do. However I do accept them doing that if it's for the greater good. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your posts seem to have a hint of 'survival of the fittest' about them. It's all very well you as an individual being comfortable with the risk of covid, but that presents a risk to others which you can't control. Your individual freedoms are not exclusive of the freedom of others, so please stop with the selfish childish bollox. 😊
I think we can expect many other countries to insist we quarantine on arrival once we’ve signalled that we’re dropping all* transmission precautions…
https://twitter.com/beffernieblack/status/1408007816980410369?s=21
EDIT: *all except vaccinations that is.
Do we reckon this is a one way move? will there be any appetite (from the gov and the general public) for more stringent rules this autumn/winter, regardless of new variants or bad flu year?
Well BoJo said that the next stage is irreversible, however we may need to see a return to certain restriction in the autumn.
Anything that comes out of his mouth is horse crap and anything is possible.
airvent - I'm sure you had a thread about being a 'people pleaser'. Seems ironic that you want to do what mostly suits you.
Wearing a mask, washing hands and giving space (especially now we have a more contagious Delta variant), aren't really rules in my book, they are common sense precautions to help EVERYONE.
I for one and almost everyone else I know, will be carrying on these easy to do requirements.
Do we reckon this is a one way move?
I don't think so. I'm not sure how they could justify changing their stance on whether restrictions are needed or not as they have said all along that they won't hesitate to put the brakes on if needed. If they go back on that concept now, they will look even more untrustworthy than they already do.
Yeah that has been nice. I can’t see the appeal of being able to queue at a bar again, that was never a fun experience.
Glad it's not just me.
The government has said it wants these next relaxations to be permanent and irreversible, which is why I don't have an issue with delaying them a few weeks to get it right and ensure businesses can prep or be supported as required.
It's blindingly obvious that if, come October, there's a new super flu/Covid/Ebola hybrid variant first identified in Lowestoft (as a random location!) which is transmitted by looking at people from a thousand yards and kills 65% of those infected, I'm kind of willing to have some restrictions reimposed. If that upsets Daily Mail readers then so be it.
That is my potential concern, that now we are all vunerable to flu having not had it going around for 18 months, will there be a flu lockdown/restrictions?
I can't imagine that going down too well.
will there be a flu lockdown/restrictions?
Boris already said we might expect lockdowns over the winter period but didn't clarify for which virus.
Boris already said we might expect lockdowns over the winter period but didn’t clarify for which virus.
But as usual, that quite key message got buried in a load of government waffle, and didn't receive much media coverage, so it will be huge shock and U turn if it has to happen - which I really hope it doesn't!
I think we're doomed if restrictions eased in a few weeks. Right now we're putting enormous selection pressure on the Covid-19 virus with a combination of high vaccination rates and relatively high infection rates in unvaccinated people.
Fortunately we can rely on Johnson and Hancock to do exactly the right thing. Oh, wait. Definitely doomed.
Boris already said we might expect lockdowns over the winter period but didn’t clarify for which virus.
I know this may sound like a rehashed April 2020 argument - so to be very clear, I am talking about our bog standard, seasonal flu, and not Covid19:
When will it end if this is the case. There would be never ending annual winter flu lockdowns as we never build up a herd immunity.
Surely we should be shielding the elderly/vunerable, and letting it rip through the rest of us?
When will it end if this is the case. There would be never ending annual winter flu lockdowns as we never build up a herd immunity.
Hopefully, as lockdowns are eased around the world in 2022, we will get back to a more normal flu cycle where we build the appropriate flu vaccine based on what we are seeing in other countries ahead of our own flu season. (If I understand it correctly)
Going forward, "normal" will not be quite the same as it was pre Covid, but it will not be the dystopia lockdown nightmare some seem to be concerned about. Tired has said pretty consistently it would be two years before a new normal is established, we are getting there.
Surely we should be shielding the elderly/vunerable, and letting it rip through the rest of us?
Pretty much what is happening now. Elderley/vunerable are mostly vaccinated, young groups not and helping this new strain spread.
Surely we should be shielding the elderly/vunerable, and letting it rip through the rest of us?
Vaccinating for both Covid as it evolves and the latest flu strains for anyone who wants the jab is a better option than having loads of people off work/school, some with long Covid/post viral syndrome, some dead (because Covid and flu kill a few young people too) and more mutation possible.
Letting any potentially fatal and dibilitating disease "rip through the rest of us" is best avoided. Especially when there are vaccines.
There are currently studies into whether Covid and flu vaccines can be combined, or jabbed in opposing arms at the same time, or need to be spaced out. I expect/hope that flu vaccinations will be far more freely (available for free) this coming winter than in past years in the UK.
Letting any potentially fatal and dibilitating disease “rip through the rest of us” is best avoided. Especially when there are vaccines.
Its a horrible turn of phrase, but this is effectively what we have done for all of history for winter flu.
I would hope (maybe naively) that even with a Boris approved free for all that flu transmission would be reduced, as a significant population are now subconsciously hand washing and coughing into their sleeves and keeping their distance more than before.
Kelvin, reading this thread for a while now with interest. It has become apparent that you in particular seem to be actively trying to bully others who hold a different, but perfectly well reasoned opinion on lockdown policy.
Rather than engage in debate, it would seem that your method is simply to silence and ridicule and batter into submission, others with whom you disagree. I have observed you calling people conspiracy theorists, trolls, bots, ****ers, you name it. Your ears are closed to reason yet through pig-ignorance you force your narrow minded opinions onto others. Have you nothing better to do with your life? Really?
Reading back through your posts it seems that you are perfectly happy with the destruction of others in society less fortunate than yourself through lockdown policy, purely because it keeps YOU safe. It seems that you are ‘alright Jack’. That is selfish in the extreme.
Sadly these are not the traits of someone who is healthy or normal. This behaviour is bordering on the obsessive and it has to stop!
You also do not seem to have a grasp on the facts. You have lost all sense of reality and proportion of the dangers posed by Covid. You seem to ignore that the survival rate is in excess of 99.77%. That the average age of death from (or with) Covid is above the average age of all cause mortality. That over 90% of all deaths are from people with other health conditions that meant they were already seriously ill or badly health compromised. That the virus has now proven to be, by several orders of magnitude, way less serious than we thought it was back in early 2020. You seem to flippantly dismiss the huge collateral damage of lockdown on a regular basis, in a misguided view that it was somehow necessary and un-avoidable.
Yet your doom-laden narrative is being dis-proven day by day as more evidence comes to light. There is strong scientific evidence out there now that lockdown policy causes way more long term health damage to a nation than it has ever claimed to solve. There is strong evidence out there that lockdown was never scientifically required and that a targeted approach, allocating resources where they were needed most, rather than spreading them thinly, would have caused far less collateral damage. There is no evidence from around the world to show that lockdown has saved any lives. Yet despite the truth glaring you in the face, you remain stuck in your virtue signalling rut, doubling down rather than admitting that you could possibly have ever been wrong.
Meanwhile out in the real world, thankfully not many are now listening to you and your overly cautious and doom-laden preaching. People want to get on with their lives, to dance, to smile, to hug, to sing, to travel and to be with loved ones without the likes of a sad, scared and obsessive little busybody like you trying to dictate to them how they should think and what would be best for them.
So as a friendly tip, might I suggest that perhaps now might be a good time for you to take stock, to engage with reality and perhaps consider apologising to those you have bullied with your extremist views. Do it now please while you still have a chance to save face, and before you go down with your ship, the SS-Lockdown with its rudder stuck to starboard and badly holed below the water line.
^^^^ GBNews has a lot to answer for, it seems
Its a horrible turn of phrase, but this is effectively what we have done for all of history for winter flu.
Until we developed a vaccine to protect the vulnerable, as we have done for quite a few years now. We used to let smallpox run riot till, you know, we developed a vaccine.
Kelvin, reading this thread for a while now
Great first post. Welcome (back?) to the forum.
Right now we’re putting enormous selection pressure on the Covid-19 virus with a combination of high vaccination rates and relatively high infection rates in unvaccinated people.
on the plus side the selection pressure is in the direction of making it more contagious rather than deadly, so hopefully -in a vaccinated population- that makes it much less of a worry
Great first post. Welcome (back?) to the forum.
Diminishing returns on username quality for this iteration. More effort required. On the plus side, we've gone straight past the stage where he pretends to ask reasonable questions, and is already picking on particular forum members, so we are probably already pretty close to the 'starts swearing, posts offensive content and gets banned' point.
Kelvin, reading this thread for a while now with interest. It has become apparent that you in particular seem to be actively trying to bully others who hold a different, but perfectly well reasoned opinion on lockdown policy.
I have disagreed with many people. I have been wrong many times in this thread, not least on mask wearing, where many other posters I disagreed with, though discussion, helped change my understanding and view on them being of very real use in this pandemic (my initial opinion was that we shouldn't use them, I was wrong, it's all there early in the thread if you fancy a read).
But we have had a run of accounts created just to post anti-vax themes. I think it should be pointed out where these accounts pop up. I'd go further and say people shouldn't be allowed to create accounts just to spread misinformation about vaccines and the pandemic more generally. That I call these people out you might call bullying. They can explain for themselves why they have created (additional?) new accounts just to post in threads relating to the pandemic.
EDIT: Oh, you're using another fresh account. I see. I have gigs booked for straight after the new date for relaxation of rules by the way, so I'm hoping that we'll be less "locked down" asap as well. I wish we'd got to that point already, and with a few different decisions made by government along the way, we would have.
So as a friendly tip, might I suggest that perhaps now might be a good time for you to take stock, to engage with reality and perhaps consider apologising to those you have bullied with your extremist views.
Here's a friendly tip. When you put forward a position expect those arguments to be challenged and robustly so.
Yet your doom-laden narrative is being dis-proven
This is a bit like the statement that some want lockdown to go on and on and on, when actually no one wants. I'm not sure I've seen anyone ever argue for a lockdown as anything other than a least worst last resort option and should be done in such a way to minimize the duration and impact.
^ +1
Oh, you’re using another fresh account
Can we keep him?
perhaps consider apologising to those you have bullied with your extremist views.
From someone who has opened an account just to bully someone who doesn't let conspiracy theory bollocks go unchallenged that's a bit rich. Same bollocks, different pseudo.
Argh for the life of me I can't quite remember what @chump's previous login was?
Dunno, but he reads like he's the pilot who lost his job flying 747's... could be wrong
Bye
😂
There is no evidence from around the world to show that lockdown has saved any lives.
We've argued about this before, Chump. I'll cite New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany... as places where lockdowns have demostrably cut transmission and prevented deaths - because saved lives is the wrong way of looking at it. Medics save lives once people have caught the virus but if you stop people getting it you prevent death.
Why don’t you all stay inside behind your sofas whilst the rest of us get on with our lives.
I’m down the pub. There are no sofas for me here. In all other respects it’s lovely though.
Ah right! Got a few pilots where I work driving supermarket vans currently.....I'm in a bit of limbo really....my gigs are slowly (very) returning. I actually did my first one in 17 months, a wedding, last Saturday night. Only 30 guests.....very little social distancing or mask wearing adherence. They were both doctors. Can't say it felt particularly Covid safe, it did however make me realise that in spite of how stressful being a self employed musician can be, the feeling I get from it all is priceless.
Taken in and scared shipless by all the biased propaganda.
Scared shipless? Is that the reason i can't afford a yacht.
Will get right on being less scared, when do i get my ship (yes i know a yacht is a boat before you pedantic arses start)
It's reminiscent of something
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/quick-gardening-question-bambooooo/
Is it jut me that doesnt know who it is then?
I don't
