MCTD - I think it will be a long road back to normality for a lot of people. Last summer when I had to go back into work I found it very hard to start with. Being double jabbed definately helps.
poopscoop - I'm the same. Not feeling happy about getting close to others, especially inside.
Am not especially keen to catch the 8:56 into Waterloo if I am honest - although this is rare. In fact Not that keen to head in to the new office (Brentford). But I'm not that bothered about crowds. At least one infection and the vaccination, I feel pretty protected from serious COVID now (well sort of - 10 mile walk today and thought about a ride). I will be commuting by bike/trike anyway.
New variants with demonstrable immune escape might prove a challenge to my mobility. But I've been happy working at home and know that this could continue as needed. Mrs TiRed is keen to see the back of me, however.
Are people still sharing content provided by that quack snake oil salesman Ivor Cummins?!? Just buy his shit if you want, but stop sharing his content here, please.
bring double jabbed definately helps.
Yeah, that's my mental safe point. Due mid June, should be effective mid July. Wishing my life away....
Everyone will take their own time to get back to being tolerant of people being close.
Really? Plenty of people don’t or won’t have that choice.
I have been working (mostly not working) from home as has my partner. I have a shoot coming up that will mean for once I’m not paying the mortgage out of savings. Will be in a big spacious studio and all but one attending will have had at least their first jab. I don’t really have a choice not to do it but I’m reasonably comfortable with the situation, some have had to go against their gut feelings every day to simply keep their heads above water.
If I could keep only one thing from all of this it would be social distancing. It's been absolute bliss having lots of personal space that's not invaded every few seconds, quiet shops, not fighting for space in parks and everyone generally being aware of each other. But then I've always found social settings tough when it's busy, crowds do my head in.
Even given our very mild restrictions/social distancing restrictions over here in Sydney, it was still quite challenging to adjust when they were gradually lifted - and I'm still not there yet.
I still remove myself from or avoid situations that make me feel a little anxious - cafe's with too many people, a particularly busy aisle in a supermarket etc.
There is going to be inevitable conflict between people who are at opposite ends of the social distancing spectrum on a daily basis. Even here I've had to ask people behind me in a queue to "take a step back please" a couple of times. Fortunately there was no argument/confrontation about it, but I do wonder what's going to happen in the UK, where there are perhaps more people at those opposite ends of the spectrum, and emotions are running that much higher.
So my advice is to accept that not everyone is going to act how you want them to act, and become comfortable with adjusting your own behavior accordingly. Sounds easy, but what it means in reality is that if somebody is behaving like a dick - you just leave them to it and remove yourself from that situation. Hard if you really want a Greggs sausage roll, but the bloke behind you in the queue is breathing down your neck.
So my advice is to accept that not everyone is going to act how you want them to act, and become comfortable with adjusting your own behavior accordingly.
That's how I'm hoping I'll handle it. Though just discovered that MrsMC has booked tickets for the Edinburgh Tattoo in August for a long weekend family get away. 🤦♂️ I think my problems start closer to home than I realised....
I’d forgotten about that. Amazing when you look back 🤦🏻♂️
Ah the initial what was it disaster ‘fappers’ always gives me a giggle.
Posting as a reminder covid is still out there. My daughter's school is having an outbreak. 4 year groups now isolating at home so 240 kids missing another 2 weeks school.
If I could keep only one thing from all of this it would be social distancing. It’s been absolute bliss having lots of personal space that’s not invaded every few seconds, quiet shops, not fighting for space in parks and everyone generally being aware of each other. But then I’ve always found social settings tough when it’s busy, crowds do my head in.
Just give up washing,then people will give you more space 🙂
Ah the initial what was it disaster ‘fappers’ always gives me a giggle.
Yeah, but it was overexaggerated wasn't it. I mean some folks were talking about quarter to half a million deaths, and we've only had 130,000.
(not me, but a FB acquaintance of mine, from their protected safe rural retirement bubble who's still annoyed they couldn't have friends round to dinner last year...... I just don't know what moon they're wired to?)
If I could keep only one thing from all of this it would be social distancing.
Good luck with that, Boris is turning it off soon. Sometimes it doesn’t even matter than it exists - in a distanced queue yesterday I stepped back to allow a guy to walk away from a register and the woman’s behind my stepped in front. I reckon the future Is the equivalent of driving around motorways - don’t judge it correctly and someone will nip into the gap.
Personally, if I get back to trains and tubes it’ll be with masks and hand sanitisers, and I shall social distance as best I can regardless of the rules.
I mean some folks were talking about quarter to half a million deaths, and we’ve only had 130,000.
The first figures were being bandied around as a 'without lockdown' worst case prediction, I believe. Luckily we never got the chance to find out how accurate they were.
I think there was a bit of a wobble going on on the thread when the true mortality rate of the virus was still to be established. Early reports out of Wuhan were not entirely encouraging. At least most of the 'it's no worse than the flu' crowd have buggered off now, given the number of excess deaths we've actually had.
Posting as a reminder covid is still out there. My daughter’s school is having an outbreak.
Small outbreak in another year at my daughters school, though I understand a school in Long Eaton is having a big outbreak and effectively closing. And most of the parents will be around 40ish, so may not be vaccinated.
Every outbreak disrupts schooling, employment, and puts others at risk. Yes, we have to work around this new endemic virus, but each change in restrictions will create these little bumps, and people need reminding of this, not being steered towards Benidorm in August
not being steered towards Benidorm in August
The Balearics are on the news this morning doing their best to encourage it. Of course they would though, they really need the money.
At least most of the ‘it’s no worse than the flu’ crowd have buggered off now, given the number of excess deaths we’ve actually had.
I think they've mutated into "no worse than Spanish flu", which worked out fine even though it killed 3% of the world's population (see also "this isn't the Brexit we voted for").
I think they’ve mutated into “no worse than Spanish flu”
At least that's an accurate statement. I'd go further and say it's no worse than the Black Death.
It's much worse than the Black Death! Yersina pestis is now easily treatable but uncommon in some US Southern States.
https://www.cdc.gov/plague/index.html
Smartarse! Anyway, you spelled Yersinia wrong. 🙂
Just give up washing,then people will give you more space 🙂
Some of us still have little to no sense of smell. Had to ask Mrs TiRed if a top needed washing yesterday...
Exactly mctd, my daughter is only in the nursery and only half the time so with me and the wife at home it's not a problem really to keep her off a few days just in case (it's not her year group, but). I feel sorry for the kids in the 4 years now off, and sorry for the parents that have been sticking to the rules.... Unfortunately lots of the parents ignored the rules right through lockdown and I'm just surprised it's taken this long to happen tbh.
Anyway, it's a reminder that a few rule breakers increase the risk of significant disruption or worse for a lot of others.
You would think these people from point 2 only have to look at what is happening in India right now to see the consequences of not having strict lockdowns.
No, they look to Florida.
A snippet of a podcast I subscribe to gives you an idea of the 'anti' crowd perspective...
No sign of journalism there, just the usual tropes. Yawn.
theotherjonv
Full MemberYeah, but it was overexaggerated wasn’t it. I mean some folks were talking about quarter to half a million deaths, and we’ve only had 130,000.
Without lockdowns and intervention, yeah. This is just the same sad thing again, people correctly predicted a disaster unless we acted, so we acted to prevent it, and now people say "yeah but you exaggerated it, it wasn't as bad as you said".
In fact it went a lot worse, in the UK, than most predictions thought it would with lockdowns etc, and it was so so close to being worse, we went for huge spells within a bawhair of completely overflowing the health system and dodged it mostly by luck. And so even with all the interventions and lockdowns we still ended up more than halfway towards the "what if we don't act" worse case scenarios. That should prove to you just how important it was to act, and that it wasn't exaggerated at all.
"If you ride into that tree, it'll be really bad, so we've put up a crash mat" "Well I rode into that crash mat and it wasn't that bad at all, you were exaggerating the danger"
No sign of journalism there, just the usual tropes. Yawn.
Yes the usual tropes of COVID denying, anti-vax, conspiracy theory bullshit that may be boring but it is fascinating how the two idiots interviewed had either completely deluded themselves or been deluded by others.
I’m not going near that link!
I’ll end up punching the screen - that kind of insane denial really triggers me...
On the subject of social mixing and outbreaks what's people's opinion of gyms? My head says it's not a good idea but I have a damaged shoulder due to a crash and I need to do exercises to keep it working correctly. I've tried to do exercises at hoe but it's not good enough (mainly due to cantbearseditis) and now my old gym is back open with a no fee rejoin offer and the first month half price. It's a 24hr gym so I can go in the night and avoid the crowds but I'm really worried that cleanliness won't be as good as it should and that I'm putting myself at risk of picking it up and taking it to may parents (we've all had our first jabs).
Thoughts?
I've just started going back to my gym (Pure gym) and the cleanliness seems good. They're doing a deep clean every night, and every piece of equipment gets cleaned down after every use by the user with anti bac wipes and pretty much everyone seemed to be doing this. Every other piece of equipment was closed off so you're never that close to anyone else.
No sign of journalism there
If people thought they were off the record and a pre-decided angle, then agreed. I still find it interesting though.
RJ - my thoughts, please note these will not align with many posters in this thread:
the gym is legally open.
the risk of you 'catching' covid from gym eqpt which hasnt been sanitised to death is really really small.
the risk of you catching it in a packed spin class would be somewhat higher (but not because someone forgot to antibac your saddle and grips)
seems you are able to minimise your risk by visiting during quieter periods, cleaning your own equipment..... so thats positive.
if you are concerned about taking it to your parents - stop seeing them till its all clear, or revisit your homegym cantbearseditis or a really difficult to manage scenario, dont visit your parents after going to the gym without some period of self observation/isolation.
Even though some people may say 'oh but things didn't turn out too bad', need to also look at the nhs and it's workers. So many staff were absolutely on their knees. Juggling all sorts of jobs, working extra hours and now many are wanting to leave, have left or will leave soon as soon as it's possible.
There they were clapping at the beginning and coming across as caring souls.
From the SoundCloud ^above, transcribed faithfully -
"Ignore it all, it's all bullshit, we should never have gone into lockdown.
First of all, isolate the virus, show me the virus - there is not an isolated virus, you can't catch a virus, a virus is an exudation(sp?) of cellular matter from a cell, from a toxic cell, so, can't catch a virus.
Secondly, if this is a pandemic then show me the bodies. Where are the bodies? Where are the hearses going past you every single day? Where are the funeral owners overrun? Where are the bodies? It's bullshit.
We're being herded like sheep towards the sheep-dip, to get our dip which is the vaccination. So, that's a gene altering therapy, it's not actually a vaccination it's a treatment, and i would council anybody not to do that, because that's essentially chemical control...
And possibly even more than chemical control, because there's an element in it called 'luciferase'(sp?) which is a tracking device, so if you look at what tracks tracking devices, you've got to look at electro-magnetic stuff. And then you've got to look at the 5G roll-out, and what's been going on while we've been in lockdown, why there's suddenly masts everywhere that weren't there before.
So yeah there's a helluva lot going on..."
Unpack that.
^^ Just listened to a bit of it and inevitably after the horse sh*t you transcribed there she inevitably came to the "do your own research" mantra.
Terrifying to think there are people like this out there amongst us. Just how do they get their mind into a place like that?
At a a guess by "doing their own research" on FB and Qanon etc...
Those thinking of doing things indoors such as gym might be interested in some Colorado university research shown on France 3. I've Googled and can't find it but rewatched it on replay to make sure I heard right:
Six people in a closed room one who has Covid. After four hours the other five are contaminated. If they all wear a mask 4/5 are contaminated after four hours. If they all wear masks and the room is ventilated then after two hours 1/5 is contaminated.
This backs up experience in French schools where both mask wearing and working windows open with classes of 50' has resulted in very low transmission, the school canteens are still are problem. In Madame's school they've put up up a tent to reduce density and improve air flow while they eat.
France 3 have also told us transmission outdoors is very low around 1/20 cases. Our local outdoor pool takes 360 people a day, people have reported cases notably in a swim club but there has been no transmission during sessions.
So I suggest people find a trim trail in a park or do some urban parcours stuff rather than go to the gym.
So I suggest people find a trim trail in a park or do some urban parcours stuff rather than go to the gym.
Why? Coronavirus is at the lowest level it's ever likely to be again, it's not going away. So are you suggesting we avoid the gym for the rest of our lives now?
Eldest was chuckling last night as someone he knows at college has had to isolate due to a potential positive contact. I had to remind him that his twice postponed driving test is tomorrow, and he'll be pretty pissed off if he gets that call today.
Daughters school now has a big chunk of Year 7 in isolation, and as I mentioned yesterday, a secondary school in Long Eaton is closed as so many were having to isolate. Not sure if any of my daughters gymnastics squad or their music centre are affected by that.
Surely they are going to have to look at vaccinating at least secondary school kids ahead of the September return, assuming trials go well of course.
Why? Coronavirus is at the lowest level it’s ever likely to be again, it’s not going away. So are you suggesting we avoid the gym for the rest of our lives now?
In the general sense, changing behaviour to manage risk is exactly what living with something typically implies.
Surely they are going to have to look at vaccinating at least secondary school kids ahead of the September return, assuming trials go well of course.
I hope so. They're wise not to be promising it so far out though.
In the general sense, changing behaviour to manage risk is exactly what living with something typically implies.
So should people never go to an indoor gym again? Living with it to me means accepting a level of risk in trade off for the things you want to do. Not avoiding them forever.
The situation won't be any better in a year's time than it is now.
the risk of you catching it in a packed spin class would be somewhat higher
I'd be avoiding spin classes come unlocking in Step 4. This is the population who are unvaccinated and may experience a surge in infections (but perhaps without the morbidity and mortality). The transmission in a spin class in Canada is off the scale high (R = 44!). Other indoor exercise will not produce anything like the transmission potential.
So should people never go to an indoor gym again? Living with it to me means accepting a level of risk in trade off for the things you want to do. Not avoiding them forever.
I'm holding off going to the gym until a bit more of the adult population has had its first dose. Yes, transmission risk is the lowest it's been for a while, and I'm vaccinated, so that's probably OTT, but that's my personal trade-off. Risk of serious illness to me is minimal, there is still the possibly of getting ill enough to wreck my summer!
I can understand if other people's threshold is lower, as long as they have made an informed choice. Apply your username to the gym you visit. 🙂 Ventilation is key for me in choosing where I'll go from now on.
