You really think thats what they would do?
Speaking in the Indian parliament on Wednesday, foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said supply was “based on assessment of adequate availability at home”.
https://www.ft.com/content/d5a26194-9537-4b57-b35a-99236b67823b
I suppose it’s no bad thing if he gets his vac sooner as he is more likely to be a spreader
How will the vaccine stop him spreading it? If he touches a surface with covid on, he doesn't kill the virus. The virus just can't live on him any longer than an inanimate surface. For example if he shakes hands with 3 people and the first has covid, he could spread it to the other 2.
This isn’t AZ vaccine we ordered last year. We basically asked if they had any extra we could have. The are giving us 10 million, we’ve had 5 already but the others are delayed.
Is it that the entire UK order from last year is due to be produced in the UK or am I imagining that?
How will the vaccine stop him spreading it? If he touches a surface with covid on, he doesn’t kill the virus. The virus just can’t live on him any longer than an inanimate surface. For example if he shakes hands with 3 people and the first has covid, he could spread it to the other 2.
You're still singing while you wash your hands, aren't you? 😉
It'll reduce spread because it's a disease primarily spread through the air, not via surfaces.
Moderna is US/EU as is Pfizer.
AZ, Novomax & Valvena will all be uk (Telford, Teeside & Scotland)
I’m not sure if the entire 100m AZ doses are due to be uk manufactured.
How will the vaccine stop him spreading it? If he touches a surface with covid on, he doesn’t kill the virus. The virus just can’t live on him any longer than an inanimate surface. For example if he shakes hands with 3 people and the first has covid, he could spread it to the other 2.
It might not stop him spreading it 100% and i didn't suggest such but it's thought that it will massively reduce the chances of spread mainly because he's much less likely to catch it and the vast majority of spread is airborne not from surfaces.
Whilst that's probably true, we arent allowed to go down that route yet for fear that the law and order and social control the government has established so successfully will unravel too fast.
If he touches a surface with covid on, he doesn’t kill the virus. The virus just can’t live on him any longer than an inanimate surface. For example if he shakes hands with 3 people and the first has covid, he could spread it to the other 2.
I thought we gave up on that train of thought?
I was guilty myself, I remember wearing gloves but no mask in the supermarket (before mandatory masks).
The whole nationalisation them vs us attitude to vaccines isn’t helpful.
It may not be helpful but as piemonster's post proves my speculation has proved correct. The Indians have an infection spike and pulled the plug on vaccine exports. Are you saying we wouldn't do the same? We have to live in the world as it is not as we would like it to be especially when its life and death.
Moderna is US/EU
Moderna is US but with some production in CH, which I imagine is where the UK doses will come from.
Whilst that’s probably true, we arent allowed to go down that route yet for fear that the law and order and social control the government has established so successfully will unravel too fast.
I'm guessing that was humour?
It may not be helpful but as piemonster’s post proves my speculation has proved correct. The Indians have an infection spike and pulled the plug on vaccine exports.
I guess this is all in how you interpret the reason. I can't read the FT article as its behind a paywall but did read this comment from Handcock
"In the last week, we've had a batch of 1.7 million doses delayed because of the need to retest its stability"
That doesn't sound like "holding back" to me it sounds like due diligence. And would we hold back vaccines instead of helping others 100% this is the country that ALWAYS acts with its own interests first - but what can you expect from a nation that's basically founded on superiority.
It sounds to me like an excuse that’s very hard to check.
I guess that's my point right it all depends on how you interpret it.
I’m guessing that was humour?
Did you find it funny?
guess this is all in how you interpret the reason. I can’t read the FT article as its behind a paywall but did read this comment from Handcock
Well here's a Guardian article that isn;'t behind a paywall.
To quote from it
"With caseloads rising, and demand for vaccinations growing at home, the Indian government has asked the Serum Institute to keep more supply at home, and send less to the UK for now, a source authorised to speak for the manufacturer told the Guardian.
They emphasised the decision did not single out Britain – with whom the Indian government has recently tangled over perceived interference in its politics – but reflected the fact that Delhi has the whip hand over its vaccine exports and must ensure its own needs are met."
You know what dude lets just call it a day and not derail this thread further. Your point is it was done on purpose you have a few quotes I posted one from hancock which sounds like additional checks are being one. I really can't be bothered to pick things apart any more.
You win the indian gov' are holding back supplied on purpose and Hancock isn't telling the truth. Have a good evening, I can't be bothered to endlessly debate stuff on this forum any more.
You can register for free and that gives you a limited number of articles over a certain period of time. I don’t subscribe and just about get by with the free views for shared articles.
Just in case anyone has missed this galaxy of planet-sized brains:
Did you find it funny?
I'm not seeing much law and order or social control
So anyway, its a good news day, right:
a) Record number of vaccinations
b) Deaths down
c) Cases down
and
d) the weekend is good for riding
e) Its Super Saturday if you like Rugby
a) Record number of vaccinations
b) Deaths down
c) Cases down
long may they continue. This last week I've woken up happy not wishing I could just hibernate for the rest of winter.
Only a week and a bit until we can see local friends 🙂
Some patients are getting a text from a surgery and booking online, thus somehow having 2 bookings. If possible they need to cancel one, giving other people a chance. There seems to be a communication breakdown.
Some surgeries are having a list for patients that can replace 'no shows' at the end of a day so they can take up the left over vaccines. This would be good if all surgeries could do this to prevent waste.
Also some younger patients aren't taking up their invitation, as they feel, they're taking away a vaccine from someone who's older or more vulnerable. I've tried to convince them (they are people I know in their early 50's) that it is their turn and it's better for us as a whole to take up this offer.
Quick question guys, am I correct in thinking that the AZ and Pfizer are NOT subject to any mix and matching?
Ie if you've had Pfizer first, you'll definitely have phizer for second. Ditto AZ. Mum has her second jab next week.
Thanks as always.
Quick question guys, am I correct in thinking that the AZ and Pfizer are NOT subject to any mix and matching?
Iirc they are testing mix and match but it's not been approved yet?
So you'll get a second dose of whatever you had first time round
Mix and matching AZ & Sputnik5 is the smart hunch.
In case anyone misses it, a guy in the other vaccine thread has been advised by his GP that he should be given the Pfizer jab as his second one after suffering an allergic reaction to the AZ.
Just in case it's handy for anyone to know.
Courtesy of boombang:
poopscoop switching to Pfizer is what my GP has said is likely to happen. As I came out in hives they assume allergy and I’ve been told they won’t likely let me have another AZ jab as they can’t predict how bad the reaction could be.
I’ve not seen any stats on minor allergic reactions but GP said I’m the only one she knows of.
Hoping to get the vaccine soon. Turn 50 in a few days, been an outpatient for 3.5 years (Monitoring for thyroid cancer. 6 monthly scans and biopsies)
Being honest, with kids back at school and lock down easing I’m getting a little twitchy as to when I’ll get the call.
When I know of friends and relatives younger than me with no health issues who’ve been vaccinated, can’t help but think it seems like a lottery.
Fingers crossed.
chipsngravy - As I understand it, you can go on line the moment you turn 50 and book a slot.
I'm 6 weeks off 50, also feel it's been a bit random, seems to be many outwardly fit and healthy younger folk getting the vaccine. Didn't bother me too much until the recent hiatus has been annouced. I'm not vulnerable but over weight with high blood pressure (which I'm working on, lost a stone since Christmas), worked from home for a year (was out of work for the previous o mknths so feels longer) and hardly been anywhere, be really pissed if I got it now.
Thank you Bunnyhop
When I tried to book online without my nhs number it said no. When I found it, it said yes. AZ/Ox vaccine yesterday and so far showing no signs whatsoever. Maybe my past antibodies are putting my feeble spike protein to the sword. Or not.
Quick question guys, am I correct in thinking that the AZ and Pfizer are NOT subject to any mix and matching?
There are no clinical trials to look at any mixing of vaccines. Data will emerge, most likely in the U.K. first from PHE, but I’ve not seen any. If interest to me is what happens when people make a solid neutralising response to the ox/AZ virus carrier, which they will eventually. It’s one reason why the Sputnik vaccine uses different viruses. I’m sure there is no shortage of chimp adenoviruses to choose from.
MrsJ and I (both over 60) had SMS inviting us to book first shot, which we did. No info then or since about when we can book a second shot; however over 50's can ow go online and book both their shots.
Seems a bit un-joined-up.
Dr J - bookings through GP - they book you one dose at a time. Do it via national online system, then you book both together.
There are no clinical trials to look at any mixing of vaccines.
Just for clarity (and I'm sure that TiRed knows this), there are clinical trials currently looking at mixing, but they haven't been going very long yet (and I think they're relatively small), so they haven't produced answers yet.
You’ll need to rely on Google Translate but India appears to be seeing a fairly rapid rise in cases with a R number close to 1.5
Which probably ties into this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/brazil-saudi-and-morocco-told-of-delay-in-covid-jabs-from-india
Which suggests internal political pressure in delaying exports
@TiRed. All this talk from cabinet members and advisers today of a further delay to opening up international travel has been fairly depressing for anybody that works in that industry (me).
Has there been a definitive answer to whether the South African variant can evade vaccine efficacy?
If we listen to every epidemiologist we will be in some form of lockdown forever. If we're trying to get to zero casualties then we need to start restrictions on unhealthy eating, non-active travel, further road building and, well, you get the picture. All these health decisions are in the end, political. The population is fed up and compliance is only going one way. We have vaccines which will protect the majority, and people don't really care about the rest (or themselves if it means that they can't travel for evermore).
If we listen to every epidemiologist we will be in some form of lockdown forever.
Exactly it's all just individual opinions.
If they want to lock themselves down then they're welcome to crack on while rest of us get on at some point hopefully.
We won’t be in “lockdown forever”… no one is suggesting that. Back to normal is a while away yet though, some restrictions on international travel, mask wearing encouraged, social distancing facilitated etc will be needed for a while yet.
Social distancing pretty much ceased in any meaningful way last summer, mask wear will go the same way for most as soon as restrictions lift. Boris has already annouced back to normal in June and short of a new mutation that is vaccinen resistant i cant see much changing that. International travel is likely to be the only ongoing restriction for most, which will be a shot in the arm for domestic hospitality.
Social distancing pretty much ceased in any meaningful way last summer
Not round here it didn't.
Sure, no one is 100% perfect but some days I'm convinced I live in some parallel universe
Social distancing is very much still ongoing. You may well be observing that it is more loosely used than you might personally expect, but we are still using it as a tool a great deal at work and “play”.