@piemonster - best of luck with that. I lost a good friend to Pancreatic cancer 5yrs ago 😭😭😭
It's an insidious bastard. I'd say if she's that close to the end go and visit anyway if you can. 🤞
The news this morning is stirring up a rhetoric based on 2nd injections. AZ and Pfizer denying any shortages, no issues in the supply chain yet...
It all makes it sound like the deference’s to the 2nd jab will cause the number of 1st jabs to slow, not entirely unexpected as we about 12 weeks in soon? But maybe the real issue is a failure to calculate the real difference in numbers. I wouldn’t put it past Hancock at all for trying to blame others for his own maths mistake.
I'm not seeing an issue... we're MILES ahead of the place people thought we'd be in, yet some still want to find fault.
AZ and Pfizer denying any shortages, no issues in the supply chain yet…
Semantics. No issue in UK supply, apparently this is extra supply from AZ India that is delayed.
I’m not seeing an issue… we’re MILES ahead of the place people thought we’d be in, yet some still want to find fault.
It may be that there is no fault, it's circumstances beyond control but it's naive to be looking at where we are and just using that as the measure.
To reduce to one of your other hobbies. We won the first leg of Big Cup 3-0. It's now half time in the second leg, we're 2-0 down and in danger of being outplayed. Of course at halftime Mr Klopp is trying to understand and deal with what's going wrong - not just sitting there and saying 'we're still ahead'
Its not great that’s for sure. I’m sat here wondering if I’ll be able to see my friend before she dies of Pancreatic cancer. She has had a few bad steps this last two weeks.
I'm a bit of a stickler for the rules, but even I would say go and see her anyway.
I’d say if she’s that close to the end go and visit anyway if you can.
Yes, this if you can. You can't make her any iller, maybe you'll get told off and even a £200 fine but against the big picture I'd take that. Take all the precautions you can of course for yourself and others.
I might have said different even 6 weeks ago, I blame It's a Sin.
I’m not seeing an issue… we’re MILES ahead of the place people thought we’d be in, yet some still want to find fault.
Agreed - but i'm pretty sure i read something last week which said we were about to double our vaccination capacity with another 200 pharmacies coming on board from this week?
As a 48 year old with a 2 week holiday to Italy booked for August I was pretty keen on getting jabbed ASAP!
I'm pretty sure dishing out first doses isn't going to stop completely - everyone but Matt Hancock could see there would be a dip when we needed to start doing 300k of second doses per day.
As a 48 year old with a 2 week holiday to Italy booked for August I was pretty keen on getting jabbed ASAP!
Oh trust me, i know that one, i'm 49 and due to be in Portugal at the end of May, so even Jab1 would potentially help massively with that goal.
My OH is on the Novavax trial and she as an appointment on the 18th of April for her next jab(vaccine or placebo whichever she didn't have before) with second dose in May
Italy
Portuga
I think you need to look at the other countries situation, not just the UK + vaccine = safe.
Have we maybe just gone so fast at this that we've been jabbing faster than the suppliers can keep up? Victims of our own success maybe.
I'm 52. Was initially told my first jab would be early July. It's on Friday, 3 months sooner than I'd expected. Even if I'd fallen the wrong side of the April break, it would still be 2 months sooner than originally planned.
I do agree that a lot of people seem to be mistaking the successful UK programme for it being safe to travel
European situation looking a tad sketchy:
To reduce to one of your other hobbies. We won the first leg of Big Cup 3-0. It’s now half time in the second leg, we’re 2-0 down and in danger of being outplayed. Of course at halftime Mr Klopp is trying to understand and deal with what’s going wrong – not just sitting there and saying ‘we’re still ahead’
I'd say it's more like we were 3-0 down (or 125,000-0), we'd just got one back, started to build some momentum back into the game, and now we are flagging.
Have we maybe just gone so fast at this that we’ve been jabbing faster than the suppliers can keep up? Victims of our own success maybe.
To an extent, yes, although some of the vaccines don't lend themselves to stockpiling and then eking out either because of stability and storage issues, but also from a moral PoV of sitting on doses for future use when people could be getting them.
I don't think Hancock has f'ed up the maths (I doubt they let him near the maths)
I think there is a glitch in the supply chain, that's all. We won't be getting as many as we thought we would. So now we have to slow down what we do have to ensure 1st vaccinations are not wasted because people then don't get a 2nd, we need enough aside to do the 2nds for all the 1st that are done or committed.
But we need to understand what that glitch is rather than simply saying we're ahead of where we thought we'd be. Unless we do we can't plan ahead or sort out the glitch.
I don’t think Hancock has f’ed up the maths (I doubt they let him near the maths)
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One can only hope so!
European situation looking a tad sketchy:
That new variant we gifted them is doing its stuff.
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I’m a bit of a stickler for the rules, but even I would say go and see her anyway.
8hr drive each way, two* overnight stops, two (U.K.) countries.
*like a lot of people, I’ve a fair degree of mental exhaustion going on a present.
That new variant we gifted them is doing its stuff.
Does look that way.
I think you need to look at the other countries situation, not just the UK + vaccine = safe.
Absolutely. First question is.
1. Can we go
then we move onto
Can we get back
Do we actually want to go
How much extra will it cost us
Lots of people I know in their 20s and 30s getting texts asking them to book their jab due to underlying health conditions, and half of them dont even know what underlying health condition they have!
I don't think the real reasons for supply is out there yet.
I personally dont think it is the clotting issues or a direct being able to meet demand issue, unless the Department of Health is really bad at simple maths.
I do wonder if some other production issue is occurring which means some batches cannot be used and until that quality control is resolved there is a shortage. Only guessing though based on a little bit of a hint.
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Yes, this if you can. You can’t make her any iller, maybe you’ll get told off and even a £200 fine but against the big picture I’d take that. Take all the precautions you can of course for yourself and others.
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This 110% .... assuming she WANTS you to visit.
8hr drive each way, two* overnight stops, two (U.K.) countries.
Wear a mask filling up ... pay at pump if possible. Try and get a test and self isolate after ...
I think you need to look at the other countries situation, not just the UK + vaccine = safe.
I do agree that a lot of people seem to be mistaking the successful UK programme for it being safe to travel
Yeah - I'm probably guilty of that train of thought.
However - if you look at the situation 12 months ago (which in Northern Italy was horrific) than how things settled down by the summer i do feel there is still reason for cautious optimism.
I won't hesitate to cancel it if things are not looking good though - and i'm certainly not shelling out 100s for testing in each direction.
Absolutely. First question is.
1. Can we gothen we move onto
Can we get back
Do we actually want to go
How much extra will it cost us
This +1.
airvent
Lots of people I know in their 20s and 30s getting texts asking them to book their jab due to underlying health conditions, and half of them dont even know what underlying health condition they have!
Yeah it's a bit weird that people who were not told they were not at risk are suddenly at risk. (Me included)
I was in a morality maze using a vaccine from someone that needs it vs just doing what I was told.
In the end I just got the vaccine.
I hope I haven't given the impression that I feel the vaccination program has been anything short of a roaring success and something everyone involved with can be justifiably proud of. I'm just disappointed that having got so close it looks likely it's going to be put back for me and those in lower age brackets. Oh well. The light at the end of the tunnel is just a bit further away than it was thought.
Absolutely. First question is.
1. Can we gothen we move onto
Can we get back
Do we actually want to go
How much extra will it cost us
And can we cope if the rules change halfway through with no notice
I’m just disappointed that having got so close it looks likely it’s going to be put back for me and those in lower age brackets.
Understandable.
I am literally only just 50 - so skidding into the 1st tranche by the skin of my teeth!
https://www.ft.com/content/d5a26194-9537-4b57-b35a-99236b67823b
FT reporting the possibility the reduction in supply tied to Indian production and domestic demand in India.
I don’t think the real reasons for supply is out there yet.
I personally dont think it is the clotting issues or a direct being able to meet demand issue, unless the Department of Health is really bad at simple maths.
I do wonder if some other production issue is occurring which means some batches cannot be used and until that quality control is resolved there is a shortage. Only guessing though based on a little bit of a hint.
Carrying on with first jabs at the same rate while covering second jabs as needed relies a smooth acceleration in a highly complex manufacturing process spread over several countries. Since the appointments have to be booked and coordinated in advance, unless you can guarantee this extra supply it's best to be cautious and shut down the conveyor belt of people arriving for first jabs.
It could be that the problem resolves itself quickly and we start accelerating again.
then we move onto
Can we get back
Do we actually want to go
How much extra will it cost us
I'd be adding in 'should we, based in the chances of bringing back all manner of other variants from abroad'
Yeah it’s a bit weird that people who were not told they were not at risk are suddenly at risk. (Me included)
And people who have been told for last 12 months that they are at risk (ie me) being dropped from the priority groupings at last moment ....
It's all a bit of a lottery I reckon, however by and large the right people are getting the vaccine first
If I can go I will. I expect a need to test negative before each flight.
The plan is sailing in Greece, so pretty socially distanced.
I wonder if they were expecting to jab the under 50’s with the moderna vaccine and save the AZ/Pfizer for 2nd jabs. I recall this was originally scheduled for March, then it slipped to April, now no mention of it. Could also be a factor in the delay.
A lot of 40-49yr olds have kids in school so was hoping to get my jab before the kids bring it home.
I’m just disappointed that having got so close it looks likely it’s going to be put back for me and those in lower age brackets. Oh well. The light at the end of the tunnel is just a bit further away than it was thought.
I don't know how old you are but im in my 30s and have totally given up on the idea of me getting a jab unless I pay for it. Also, going by the Zoe app it looks like cases are creeping up again ever so slightly. But, i guess that's what happens when you open up.
I don’t know how old you are but im in my 30s and have totally given up on the idea of me getting a jab unless I pay for it.
What led to this conclusion?
I'm similar age. I would happily pay for mine if needed.
Currently, paying would mean jumping the queue and therefore being worse for the country as a whole, so I am thinking of in a few months time.
What led to this conclusion?
Basically little faith in our gov' to do anything right. ( vaccine roll out is an NHS suceess not a gov one)
And before we get into any single track what about this and that.
1. No im not saying i will pay for a jab and jump the queue
2. im not saying i deserve it more than anyone else
3. yes i know im low risk as a fit 30 something working from home.
4. Yes I would be willing to pay for the jab in the future if the nhs stop doing / jab all the people that really need it.
Don't know where you've got that idea Joe? I would expect you to be offered the jab in the fullness of time. It's not in anyone's interests to have bio-reactors wandering about the place that can potentially give rise to new variants.
Fwiw my age group will be next up after this one.
Also, going by the Zoe app it looks like cases are creeping up again ever so slightly. But, i guess that’s what happens when you open up.
Yes, but also test more, find more, and we are testing loads more based on all schoolkids being tested 2-3x per week now.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=~GBR
If I'm reading this right the % of tests that are positive is still declining, way less than in W3's height in Dec / Jan.
Of course there's also the effect that we are now targeting asymptomatic people (ie kids in school) as well as confirmatory testing for symptomatic ones, so not unexpected the % is declining - most asymptomatic people are asymptomatic because they don't have it after all! But we are also presumably finding more asymptomatic folk that do have it as well by this additional testing, whereas in the past they'd have been at home doing lessons on line and having no prompt of needing a test.
TL;DR - cases is not a true reflection of the spread of the virus when the testing regimes are not kept the same. After all: Do no tests, virus appears eradicated!!
I'm fairly convinced everyone will end up getting a jab. This is the one thing the gov has got right, even with their history of backtracking and not giving a shit about anyone but their core voter base, I can't see them reversing this desicion.
I reckon everyone will get jabbed by mid to end of August at latest. I'm not exactly delighted about the delay, but speaking about it today at work a polish chap pointed out that he won't be getting his for 2 years..So must try not to complain
a polish chap pointed out that he won’t be getting his for 2 years
Why?
46 year old friend of mine was asked to book his last week, no health conditions yet i know plenty in the same town older and not contacted yet. I'm quite irritated actually as he's very anti mask, lockdown etc and doesn't follow the rules. He does work on a rich families' private super yacht in the Med in season so maybe they pulled some strings. I suppose it's no bad thing if he gets his vac sooner as he is more likely to be a spreader.
Listening to the radio on the way back from an eye test;
Finally, the truth is that India production have messed up leaving us 5m doses short in April. - Presenter: so why didn't Hancock just say so and avoid the last few days of angst?
Medical expert: UK WHO and EMA all now cite AZ jab as not an issue with the blot slots, and safe to deliver. The political freeze on vaccination and the resulting angst in receiving one is hugely damaging to the global program and direct the blame of the French and German political leadership.
Why?
I'm assuming because Poland aren't in any rush to vaccinate the under 50s like we are, or haven't bought enough vaccines.
Edit..I wasn't clear that hes not uk based.
Finally, the truth is that India production have messed up leaving us 5m doses short in April.
Messed up or the Indians want it for themselves?(wouldn't blame them a bit if that is the case)
Demonstrates we need to be self sufficient in vaccine production
Messed up or the Indians want it for themselves?(wouldn’t blame them a bit if that is the case)
Demonstrates we need to be self sufficient in vaccine production
You really think thats what they would do? The whole nationalisation them vs us attitude to vaccines isn't helpful. Its pretty much the entire narrative the gov' have pushed through this whole pandemic.