Forum menu
Totally. You’ve lost your job, been restricted in what you can do for a virus that has little impact on your generation then suddenly the oldies with their triple lock pensions are back to normal and you are still bolloxed with nothing but the joy of knowing when you do work again you’ll be the one paying for it all (in addition to working 10 years longer than the current oldies ever had to that was already set in stone) in a post brexit world you didn’t want but they did.
It could make you a tiny bit bitter.
Very bitter.
The virus has disproportianately effected the lives of the young despite being very low risk to them. If the government start giving those same people less freedom than the older folk you're building a hell of a lot of resentment.
Saying that, what are they going to do, not let you in the pub unless you have your vaccine certificate or are over a certain age?
Would have been much better if they could have been left to freely spread the vaccine to their elders – big drop in ongoing pension and health care costs, plus all those inheritances coming through….
What I think should happen now (but won't) once the dust has settled is that the PM should make a thank you speech to the youth of the nation that got it right acknowledging that they have had the least to lose but had the biggest impact on their lives and finances. 16-24 years olds should get a £XK thank you to rebuild some of the damage done to their education and embryo careers. Only caveat - if you were in receipt of a penalty fine for breaching covid restrictions you miss out. There should then be an equivalent X% rise in income tax on monies earned on pensions for the next 10 years on top of whatever income tax we are all paying by then.
The message should be loud and clear that it was a team effort to get through this but it is a team effort to pay for and make good too and that the oldies need to appreciate that whilst they might have had the most to fear from the virus those that did not die have not had their lives turned upside down quite so much as the young that did the right thing to protect them. That debt now needs repaying.
Saying that, what are they going to do, not let you in the pub unless you ... are over a certain age?
There's precedent... 😉
What I think should happen now (but won’t) once the dust has settled is that the PM should make a thank you speech to the youth of the nation that got it right acknowledging that they have had the least to lose but had the biggest impact on their lives and finances. 16-24 years olds should get a £XK thank you to rebuild some of the damage done to their education and embryo careers. Only caveat – if you were in receipt of a penalty fine for breaching covid restrictions you miss out. There should then be an equivalent X% rise in income tax on monies earned on pensions for the next 10 years on top of whatever income tax we are all paying by then.
The message should be loud and clear that it was a team effort to get through this but it is a team effort to pay for and make good too and that the oldies need to appreciate that whilst they might have had the most to fear from the virus those that did not die have not had their lives turned upside down quite so much as the young that did the right thing to protect them. That debt now needs repaying.
Now that would be magnificent. Won't happen in a million years, but it'd be awesome if it did.
you’ll be the one paying for it all
Not going to happen. The 'debt' created by covid will be dissappeared in the time honoured way. It will never be 'paid back'.
The ‘debt’ created by covid will be dissappeared in the time honoured way.
making working class people 'pay' for it while giving big tax cuts & perks to party donors?
Young people - the impact will continue for many years while the over-50's enjoy a cruise via triple lock pensions....
Not going to happen. The ‘debt’ created by covid will be dissappeared in the time honoured way. It will never be ‘paid back’.
Ah, my mistake. Austerity never happened. I enjoyed however many years of pay freezes for shits and giggles. As you were.
making working class people ‘pay’ for it while giving big tax cuts & perks to party donors?
By holding interest rates at very low (ie zero) levels the debt will disappear as savings lose value to inflation. It's the way its always been done. The people losing out will be the ones with money in the bank, whereas those in debt will benefit - mortgage holders at least, those holding unsecured debts will be ripped off as normal.
Why not overbook then
Add 10% to the days total pts, if they do all turn up then apologise, give their bfh and a pack of rich tea biscuits
But ensure they are 1st inline next time.
Why not overbook then
Add 10% to the days total pts, if they do all turn up then apologise, give their bfh and a pack of rich tea biscuits
Imagine the headlines
"Not enough vaccines to go around as people turned away from centres"
From other posts i imagine its the process to book a job which is the issue rather than people turning up which is an issue.
To do these things at scale, I imagine that everyone will have had a text/email asking them to book an appointment online.
What percentage of the over 80's will this be appropriate for?
The less tech savvy will be reliant on waiting for a traditional phone call which will come in time, its just quite labour intensive
My mum was phoned this morning as part of the over 80 cohort as where her friends. Booking into slots 3/4/5 days in advance. So I guess may well be the best way to reach the over 80s. She would have been fine with an email/online book too but I'm not sure the practice have her email address and she may be in a minority
People are selling fake NHS vaccination cards on eBay, FFS!
As a practice we do no emailing, and I’m not sure any other practice I know of would contact pts via email TBH. We do texting and if we need to, embed link into texts. Those that don’t have a mobile, we phone. In our practice we’re getting to the end of the <75s and are going to start on the <70s later today or tomorrow.
we do overbook to take acct of DNAs.
big drop in ongoing pension and health care costs
BAT used precisely those arguments for smoking in developing countries.
Smoking also yields cost savings in pension payments from the premature death of smokers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4502793/
They're not fakes, they are replacements in case you lose your actual one.
Honest.
Someone in Cambridge apparently.
Must have nicked a load from a vaccination site.
Making a fair bit on them too, over 100 sold at £6.49 a pop.
Just reported it as fake, not that ebay will do anything though
People are selling fake NHS vaccination cards on eBay, FFS!
And the guy who injected an old lady and charged her £160 - is there a hole deep enough for him to be buried?
The vaccine cards are just a bit of a reminder ( they have no ID so can’t be used to indentify anyone)
If people are buying fake ones, then good luck them 😂😂
I'm not happy with the 'oldies' bashing on here. Not all oldies are a drain on society, some are still working at the age of 70. Many have been and were doing lots of voluntary work.
Many are fit and healthy and taken care of themselves.
I know quite a few 'younguns' who have all the latest gubbins and expect everything to be given to them, don't care about their health and mis-use the NHS.
Hopefully everyone here will be elderly one day and I would like to think we would be respected, treasured and looked after. Not seen as a burden.
Lets all be kind to one another regardless of age.
convert
Full MemberAh, my mistake. Austerity never happened. I enjoyed however many years of pay freezes for shits and giggles. As you were.
It's not really the right place but, you're half right and half wrong. Of course austerity happened, but, it wasn't actually about paying down the debt. It was about using the debt as an excuse to make cuts and changes that the government in power wanted to make. Many of the cuts were expected to actively cost money, others contributed to our terribly slow emergence from the recession which is really the same thing with a different hat on, but that wasn't the point. Other changes were just direct handouts to private businesses. And all wrapped up in the "we have to live within our means" lie.
As a practice we do no emailing, and I’m not sure any other practice I know of would contact pts via email TBH. We do texting and if we need to, embed link into texts. Those that don’t have a mobile, we phone. In our practice we’re getting to the end of the <75s and are going to start on the <70s later today or tomorrow.
we do overbook to take acct of DNAs.
You are doing a lot better than us. Not got through all the over 80s yet.
Our PCN/federation is having us ring them all up and go through a checklist re allergies anticoagulants etc. Before we get to the actual booking a slot part which involves scrolling through lists as different venues all mixed in together. I’ve got it down to 10 minutes per patient just to book the appointment. All our admin team doing pretty much nothing else.
I am told that our PCN which is basically our federation and covers 240000 people the whole of the ccg area, is looking at using accubook from accuRx. I wish they would get on and do it.
Lets all be kind to one another regardless of age.
Yet you use this as an opportunity to bash the young....you are just as guilty of dropping into stereotypes. Just ones that fit your narrative.
Yes, the very fact that I will be old (hopefully) too and was once young I feel gives me the right to be objective and not too sentimental about the different age groups. I am a lot closer to 60 than 30 yet am surrounded everyday by teenagers at work. I think I am probably at the sweet spot of objective opinion on the subject.
On just about every measurable scale the current 60+ age group have had it better than any generation before and by most estimates in the future too. The less introverted acknowledge that. Stating that is not bashing.
Being 'kind' in this scenario might/could involved the wealthier members of the older generations diverting some of their finance towards those that will be most in need after this has all blown over in a token of gratitude.
On just about every measurable scale the current 60+ age group have had it better than any generation before and by most estimates in the future too.
My dad grew up playing on bombsites where there might have been live ordnance. Food was rationed. He was taken away from his family for a couple of years "for his own safety". He did compulsory service in the military. When he first moved into a house with my mum they had one chair and a deckchair, the only way they could both sit comfortably was if they went out to the cinema. They had an outside loo that sometimes froze in the winter.
I'm sure there was a golden era for some over 60s who came into the world just as things were picking up, but saying that everyone aged 60+ had it better than you is just plain wrong.
is looking at using accubook from accuRx. I wish they would get on and do it.
We’re using it here, and you can “just”export a CSV file from EMIS into it and it will sort the patients into mobile and non mobile and sent out invites for you. If you can badger the PCN to eget it sorted, it makes the whole thing about a million times easier.
good luck
.
It looks like vaccine distribution is causing some problems in my part of the world.
Hopefully we won't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by logistics failures.
If you can badger the PCN to eget it sorted, it makes the whole thing about a million times easier.
Weekly teams meeting tomorrow... fingers crossed I don’t have to badger too hard
Lets all be kind to one another regardless of age.
@Bunnyhop - you're right. We are better than slagging of generic swathes of people. I shouldn't have made my last comment.
I do wonder though - the impact on my 77 year old father compared to the impact on my 19 year old. At present, not much in it. The future could be different though.
Being ‘kind’ in this scenario might/could involved the wealthier members of the older generations diverting some of their finance towards those that will be most in need after this has all blown over in a token of gratitude.
The reason the economy is f**** due to covid has got nothing to do with the fact the older generation are well off. The overiding factor in whether the economy prospers is how much the govt spends/creates and the deficit it runs as a result. It is not how much money older people have or how much tax they pay. Stop looking to blame the old and instead direct your ire at the politicians who continually lie to us about how everything works.
saying that everyone aged 60+ had it better than you is just plain wrong
He didnt say that
Stop looking to blame the old
Please reread without agenda. No blame was attached.
Nicola Sturgeon announced that the current restrictions on Scotland will be in place for at least another 4 weeks. Can't be a surprise, surely?
No. No surprise at all.
She also laboured about not meeting other houses, not travelling, working from home if you can, and not seeing through to completion what we have been enduring.
Addressing the Education Select Committee on the risk of transmission in schools, Dr Harries said: "Schoolchildren definitely can transmit infection in schools - they can transmit it in any environment - but it is not a significant driver as yet, as far as we can see, of large-scale community infections."
Wait, what, schoolkids don't drive community infection?
So what are (50% of them) they being sent home for?
Did I miss something?
The restrictions have given us all good reason to moan… but spare a moment to think about this nightmare scenario…
https://twitter.com/benrothenberg/status/1351227766738452486?s=21
Washing your own hair! The indignity!
@Bunnyhop – you’re right. We are better than slagging of generic swathes of people.
Applies to many issues and groupings. My parents have done well with pensions in the last 10 years, but started with nothing being born in the war.
My kids (teenagers) have lost out on a lot of experiences and opportunities this last year. My parents have also lost out on a lot of the social contract and activities that helped keep them mentally and physically younger and healthy. I can see they've aged hugely this year.
It's been tough on all age groups.
Its not as if the 80s have better things to do though is it. Sit inside watching crap in the attic, or get out to get a vaccine which improves everyone's future.
Why not hava a sms list instead.
Do you live 15 mins from xxxx vaccination hub
Are you furloughed or working from home
Are you able to queue for up to 1hr to potentially use any spare jebs
No guarantee fcfs basis.
If so reply with yes to 0999 etc
1600+ This is xmas gatherings, boxing day sales, pre xmas travel and ineffective government direction and action having, so far a limited effect.
I really feel for amy frontline nhs workers. The long term memtal burden cost is going to be heavy i feel
Of every year of your life, which would you have most and least liked to have been the year of the pandemic?
My second year of working would have been best. Living at home (so I have someone to talk to), no massive commute in an expensive to run car (definite money saving), tech existed to WFH, I knew enough about the job to be useful, I wouln't have missed any big holidays.
I hated school, but got some good certificates from it, and probably would not have self motivated at home, and as someone that pulled my finger out for exams that counted "teacher grading" would have done me no favours.
The few years I spent self employed would have been bad but not irrecoverable financially.
Any of my university years would have been worst. I can put my life on hold right now, but the uni years were the best and hardest of my life, I'm not sure I could have coped with that at that age, knowing it could never be undone.
Ooh good question! Missing any of my 5 years at high school would've been fine by me. Absolutely hated it.
Would've been gutted to miss 6th form and uni though.
It would also have been hell on earth being stuck at home when I got divorced and had to move back into my parents house!
Lucky to be locked down with my girlfriend as she's my best mate really.
I really feel for amy frontline nhs workers. The long term memtal burden cost is going to be heavy i feel
The short term physical burden is also quite dangerous.e.g. Driving home after an incredibly intense 14hr shift in ICU.
My parents have also lost out on a lot of the social contract and activities that helped keep them mentally and physically younger and healthy. I can see they’ve aged hugely this year.
My gran (who missed out on having a big 90th birthday bash this year) has very much declined due to not wanting to go out and about walking every day and risk getting covid. At that age, I'm not sure that once she gets the vaccine she'll just be able to go out walking again and recover. A real shame when previously she was very active.
That’s the sad truth with the elderly. They are fit until one event stops them. A fall, an illness, or now COVID house bound. My Nan went on walking holidays into her eighties until a fall walking to the shops, then all downhill.
The Home Secretary is saying they are working on logistics plans. I am not filled with confidence. Why are they only now doing this work? It’s like no one delegates any more to let the specialists do the job we pay them for.
The thing about our older relatives holds up. The isolation from family for care home residents is the prime cause of my Mother in Law dying New Year’s Eve. She went from sharp as a tack and learning to use her first mobile phone at 93 to dead in 6 months.
Israel’s coronavirus tsar has warned that a single dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine may be providing less protection than originally hoped, as the country reported a record 10,000 new Covid infections on Monday.
In remarks reported by Army Radio, Nachman Ash said a single dose appeared “less effective than we had thought”, and also lower than Pfizer had suggested.
By contrast, those who had received their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine had a six- to 12-fold increase in antibodies, according to data released by Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer on Monday.
I'm, still concerned about the emphasis in England on number of people getting the first dose, rather than number of people receiving both doses.