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Me and my wife have both already had it, it was no big deal.
Is your wife's user name Incontinentia Buttocks? Because it ties in with what I think yours should be.
Every overweight person in the UK could’ve easily got down to healthy weight in the past nine months, and a large percentage of the obese too.
Erm... that's utter crap. Are you sizeist or just naive?
One thing I could tentatively contribute is that the economic damage is not as great at an aggregate level as the headlines would suggest
Aggregate levels hide all the details. The economic impact will be felt by the poorer/deprived communities for a very long time. If you just look at GDP, or the wealth in the City of London you don't gain an insight into what's really going on.
The Devil is in the detail
As for virtual elimination of covid..
I reckon in scotland we had a fairly good try at it back in June. At one point we had about 5 cases per day.
But as soon as you opened things back up it just ripped through the population again. It only takes one case ..
More good news today with the South African variety identified. When are we going to say enough enough and ban all international travel other than for the sake of trade. I'm assuming the couple who brought back the South African strain were returning from holiday. Who the cxxx needs a holiday during a once in a lifetime pandemic..
Selfish xxxxs
Where are you? They’ll be similar sites being prepared for the vaccine rollout. Not really national news though.
NW England.
Google came up with this https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/20/drive-through-covid-19-vaccination-centre-opens-in-north-west-england so hopefully there are a few more planned.
Hopefully this time as the NHS is running it it will be more effective than our "world beating" test and trace system.
Who the cxxx needs a holiday during a once in a lifetime pandemic..
South Africa, too. Now that would be ironic!
What is the fear with this new SA strain?
Apparently it's more worrisome than the already bad uk mutation. No idea why...
As long as the vaccine still works I think it pretty much makes no odds right now.
They did. And, to be fair to the PM, post his brush with Covid, he banged on about the importance of people getting into better shape to help protect themselves
Beat me to it. The message them got lost in the other noise. But this has been running for a few years now, everyone over 50 gets invited to health checks and quite a few friends have had unpleasant wake up calls as a result
https://www.nhs.uk/change4life/about-change4life
Hopefully this time as the NHS is running it it will be more effective than our “world beating” test and trace system.
Let’s bloody hope so!
Who the cxxx needs a holiday during a once in a lifetime pandemic
Well plenty have this year and I'm hoping plenty will next year because I reckon proof of vaccination will be required to travel abroad so it will be an excellent motivator for the Magaluf brigade to get vaccinated. Now if only Weatherspoons would demand proof of vaccination to gain entry then I reckon we'll have 90%+ vaccination rates. Edit: If this sounds snotty and elitist I don't care
Truly sobering graphs again today on Gov corona site. Was a bit dubious of Scotland Tier 4 for boxing day onwards but it might save us from the worst. As others have said a full "stay at home" lockdown is probably the only way this is going to stay in any semblance of control.
They did. And, to be fair to the PM, post his brush with Covid, he banged on about the importance of people getting into better shape to help protect themselves
you can lead a horse to water.
a certain subset of the population think its a personal affront to their existance to have to wear a face mask. If you start rationing their sugar and forcing them to do exercise what do you think the reaction will be?
Throughout this pandemic ive come here to find a source of key info thats not hyped and does NOT raise my anxiety in the way mainstream news does.
Sadly due to recent new members posting from a conspiracy or selfish free market is all we need viewpoint ive now lost my sole source of valuable information.
Best wishes all - stay safe - do not feed trolls.
a certain subset of the population think its a personal affront to their existance to have to wear a face mask. If you start rationing their sugar and forcing them to do exercise what do you think the reaction will be?
This is the country that was close to full societal breakdown when KFC ran out of chicken.
Sadly due to recent new members posting from a conspiracy or selfish free market is all we need viewpoint ive now lost my sole source of valuable information.
No you haven't. You get to see their viewpoints robustly examined, and when they get abusive and sweary, they get banned.
it’s not harmless to the under-60s, we can’t ignore it, and it’s too late to contain it or protect the most at risk. Thank you.
My pleasure. As I say, the headline information is but a simple snapshot, packaged for general consumption in ways not designed to alarm. Those more closely familiar with the in depth data, or on the front line of admissions/HDU/ITU are concerned. For a reason. There is more data on risk and morbidity, but it is still early days for studying long-term complications of COVID by age. Suffice to say that children have not been dying, but they have been presenting to hospital (which is very normal for influenza epidemics too btw). The absence of therapeutic options is what caught us out as a population.
As for general health, I could not agree more with your points. Mrs TiRed had a wake up call. She has lost 12 kilos so far and is having a deserved break for Christmas. This is a serious disease (for some), and has unknown long-term morbidity (possibly for many). It's already cost me 125W off my FTP!
One thing I could tentatively contribute is that the economic damage is not as great at an aggregate level as the headlines would suggest
I think we'll see a much more rapid bounce back. Especially when it comes to travel. A bit like why diets don't work - we are creatures of habit. And I hope that the arts and other sectors that have had a hard time also come back too. I think they will.
I accidentally went onto the first page of this thread, trying to work out who one of the recent new participants is.
It's not comfortable reading - I'll not name names but a few of the collective us misjudged this one!!
the disaster fappers will be here shortly…you can guess who.
Planet needs a reset button.
Killer virus is a bit more preferable than a nuclear winter.
I can’t help but think I’m rooting for the virus.
Every overweight person in the UK could’ve easily got down to healthy weight in the past nine months, and a large percentage of the obese too.
Erm… that’s utter crap. Are you sizeist or just naive?
I'm not sure what to make of that critical analysis.
You can lose a lot of weight in nine months. This would have been a great time to reset the nation's eating habits. Or at least try. I had in mind a somewhat broader programme than just a flabby PM saying a bit a of walk might be a jolly good idea.
I don’t care what they blame as long as they’re doing the right thing. Bit surprised not to see Burnley/Pendle and Eden left out of the move to Tier 4. New variant is dominant strain there, cases are rising fast.
I thought Cumbria might have been moved to Tier 3. Unfortunately the law on unintended consequences comes into play. If everything is tier three then people just start visiting again as they are no longer leaving a tier 3 area and going into tier 2.
N Yorkshire would seem to be a good candidate for outward spread - Tier 2 restrictions and people not thinking it's a risk.
I accidentally went onto the first page of this thread, trying to work out who one of the recent new participants is.
Jimdubleyu is still active.
Evening, after some advice please. Daughter was sent home from school after a positive result for a class mate, then daughter started showing symptoms and subsequent test proved positive. So we are all now in isolation, wife and i are feeling rough but our 2 year old appears fine and other daughter now feeling much better.
is there any point in the rest of the family getting a test or do we just isolate for 10 days from the day we started feeling ill?
thanks and merry xmas
Of course. I am always happy to cite public sources as it happens the uk has run probably the oat comprehensive study of HDU/ITU in the world. It’s reported by ICNARC and can be found here
Some interesting stats there Tired
After losing a good few pounds recently I was reassured to see only 25.4% of people with a normal BMI (18.5-25) ended up in ICU. Reassured until I looked up the incidence of the population in the age category in ICU that are overweight/obese which is nudging 75% anyway - so not a significant reduction in risk.
What is interesting is this has dropped since September to 19.9% and the proportion of obese patients in ICU (BMI>30) has gone up from 39.4% to 46.4% since September. I’m wondering if this is related to vitamin D levels which drop in the winter months in the absence of sunlight. Overweight/obese people have lower vitD so are perhaps becoming deficient more readily reflecting the increase in ICU. Surely something that should be looked into?
@jaminb, current advice is to get a test if you have symptoms. There's testing capacity now.
Having said that, advice will still be for everyone to self isolate.
Good luck and I wish you and yours a speedy recovery.
thanks Murray
@jaminb - getting a test and (if positive) entering it on the COVID tracing app will also help inform potential contacts (at least in theory anyway!)
I think carbonrider's posts were sad to read in all honesty.
He is genuinely struggling with this new reality we are living and lashing out at anything and everything.
I have some empathy as there it's much to be angry and worried about at the moment.
Shooting the messenger of bad news is never the way to go however.
Shooting the messenger of bad news is never the way to go however.
When the messenger gets abusive, they get shot, and he came out shooting to start with.
But I do think a lot of people who are struggling with everything are lashing out. There are one or two people I've known on this forum for years, and who really seem to be having real issues at the moment from the tone and content of their posts.
I’m wondering if this is related to vitamin D levels which drop in the winter months in the absence of sunlight. Overweight/obese people have lower vitD so are perhaps becoming deficient more readily reflecting the increase in ICU. Surely something that should be looked into?
You aren't the only one...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/at-risk-groups-to-receive-free-winter-supply-of-vitamin-d
Like I have said many times, the science is evolving. This may well be the time for vitamins. I take a supplement (poor adherence). I had a low vitamin D level a while back, despite supposedly being an over-producer (ginger).
In truth, there are no MAHOOOSIVE risk factors (e.g. obesity), because if there were, we'd be able to isolate those at risk more effectively. Its more insidious - the accumulation of marginal risks. For some perspective, a clinicial effect of a 10% reduction in risk would be a good outcome. Pregnancy (associated immunosupression) has a four-fold increase in risk for reference. Those vaccine effects (95% reduction in symptomatic infections) are off the scale!
Edukator - I noted your comment regarding your friends travel for treatment at the time.
Do I also remember that your wife had taken ill for a second time? How is she getting on?
is there any point in the rest of the family getting a test or do we just isolate for 10 days from the day we started feeling ill?
Yes as everyone you’ve been on close contact without a mask such as work needs to know they may be now a carry to help stop the spread.
I accidentally went onto the first page of this thread, trying to work out who one of the recent new participants is.
I’ve been here since near the start.
If anyone’s bored enough they can find my opinions from March. I was very against lockdown, thought the economic damage would be a fate worse than death - this was before furlough was announced*, which was far more generous than anyone imagined.
Participating, or just reading, this thread did change my opinions though, so don’t give up hope about shouting in supposed echo chambers.
*that morning, we were all told in my office that if there was no work to do, we wouldn’t get paid, and we didn’t have enough money in the bank to cover April pay roll. That was a terrifying 6 hours or so; mainly on behalf of others, as I am in quite a lucky situation financially.
Like I have said many times, the science is evolving.
Could it be that the science is just really slow? Vitamins C and D are proven to be good for other viral infections.
My wife would certainly load up on both before lighting up and stepping in front of that firing squad.
Could it be that the science is just really slow? Vitamins C and D are proven to be good for other viral infections
Probably just being rigorous and evidence based for a previously unseen virus. Just because something works on the flu or a cold or whatever doesn't mean it'll work on covid. That's why "the experts" are always so specific about their claims.
Partly a problem of funding trials of non or off-patent potential treatments- no commercial benefit, so not much decent data available.
Science can be slow, no question on that.
I guess the issue is that people are looking at the more easily identifiable risk factors and mitigations.
with vitamins because it is something that we all will get to varying degrees, where a specific pharmaceutical intervention will be either you have it or you don't. I suspect the stats would be a challenge and the size of the groups would need to be massive to assign a significance.
Just a suspicion on that.
All being said both my wife and i are taking vitamin d in addition to multivitamins. As I figure it isn't going to hurt and might have a benefit.
MoreCashThanDash
But I do think a lot of people who are struggling with everything are lashing out. There are one or two people I’ve known on this forum for years, and who really seem to be having real issues at the moment from the tone and content of their posts.
Yes, I've noticed it too. In fact I think I've gone a little haywire myself on occasion. It's definitely understandable.
Knowing how tough life is for some of the forum members at the moment, even excluding Covid, is pretty humbling too.
Guardian reporting that the South African variety may be more resistant to vaccines. Any evidence for that, or more media scaremongering?
Scaremongering I bloody hope.😟
Yeah I hope it doesn't change effectiveness.
More concerning is that it seems to hit the young harder,which could have really bad implications for healthcare as it is the younger population driving infection rates.
Sh*t. This can't get much worse can it?!
I know January/February are going to be bloody terrible but it just couldn't get worse could it?
Ffs!
I suspect we will be in full lockdown again for several months shortly.
but I guess we will see what happens.
I'm starting to feel that I don't want my son going back to school just yet in Jan.
Participating, or just reading, this thread did change my opinions though, so don’t give up hope about shouting in supposed echo chambers.
That's reassuring to hear.
I've mentally written off doing anything from now until April at the earliest. We desperately need to have everyone at Tier 4 or a full lockdown from boxing day onwards, hospitals are pretty much at capacity and the way the figures are rising they could be full nationally by New Year. I certainly plan on only doing three things for the next few months: essential shopping, looking after my parents and exercise. Sod going round the Sales or any form of leisure with others, the risks are just too much.
But I do think a lot of people who are struggling with everything are lashing out. There are one or two people I’ve known on this forum for years, and who really seem to be having real issues at the moment from the tone and content of their posts.
I'm definitely am in that camp, trying to keep it under control and do try to think about what I type before I post anything but with attacks from so many different directions seemingly constantly it is very hard. Other people have it worse then me so how lots of you are holding it together I' don't know but it is heartening to know that we haven't all gone to pot!
Guardian reporting that the South African variety may be more resistant to vaccines. Any evidence for that, or more media scaremongering?
Way too early to tell.
You aren’t the only one…
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/at-risk-groups-to-receive-free-winter-supply-of-vitamin-d
/blockquote>Yes, I was aware of that, however from what I understand the dose they are giving is very low, really would need 10x that for several months to build up a good level of vit D.
Also I understand NICE has recently concluded vitD doesn’t have an effect, despite some pretty compelling evidence from several studies. From the icu stats there does appear to be an increase in obese patients as we move to the winter and vitD seems a plausible explanation so maybe it would add weight to the argument if the link could be confirmed. VitD is fat soluble so if you lose weight you’d likely boost your circulating blood levels considerably.
I’ve mentally written off doing anything from now until April at the earliest.
Me too, expecting June realistically, probably September before anything really feels settled, and then we'll see what happens with universities next year.
I'd love a proper lockdown to try and nip it in the bud. But Jnr has a driving test booked on 14th January, can we have a full lockdown, schools closed but driving lessons and tests allowed? 🤔