The Italians say that they think the lockdown is working:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51852320
Following on from Denmark shutting down last night, my customer in Norway has been advised to close up the office and everyone work from home for at least two weeks, from today. They’re a collection of 7 primary care providers.
My colleague who is on-site there this week, is heading home tomorrow, perhaps. Current rumour is that Avinor have been told to shut Oslo airport from tomorrow at some point. He’s flying to Slovakia via Vienna. He’s expecting some issues on the way in.
Public services in and around Oslo are also due to close, with other areas following suit as appropriate.
Wow! I can almost smell the fear.
What if.... it continues to mutate until we are all killed to death?
The Italians say that the lock down is working for them:
Well they would. But how do they know what would have happened if they hadn't taken these steps.
To those people pointing out that other countries have closed schools - there's also a lot of counties that haven't and stated that it's not helpful.
Those who are up in arms about what the scientists are saying (and a labour gov would be taking their advice also) - if you think that your way is better, then there's nothing stopping you from adopting your own isolation regime and leaving everyone else to get on with it. 🤷🏻♂️
In 1 year we could have a vaccine, better to try and hold it at bay until then.
So close all schools, WFH and lock-down for 12 months?
To those people pointing out that other countries have closed schools – there’s also a lot of counties that haven’t and stated that it’s not helpful.
We know that, what we want is an honest impartial explanation of why other similar countries in similar situations are doing different things.
I haven’t seen anything to suggest that closing schools would “do more hard than good” I can’t imagine why that would be the case.
Who's going to look after the kids? You'd have millions of parents having to stay home from work so you'd have shops not opening, places not being cleaned, doctors and nurses not working, food not being delivered etc etc not to mention the economic hit.
Dunno if this has been covered but im curious to know why on earth our Gov and Health Advisers think herd immunity is the best way to go about this
Maybe because most of us are being farmed - we just haven't realised it yet.
What I don't get with the economic argument for not shutting down is that the economy can be propped up. Money can be printed, debts suspended, businesses protected, people financially supported. We can treat and eventually cure a damaged economy, we can't do that with dead people. On the subject of isolation fatigue, I think they are vastly underestimating people's willingness to play their part. Behaviour has already changed massively, and those who pigheadedly refuse to change will come round once they see everyone else accepting the changes to their lives. This isn't a time to be cautious, we should be throwing the kitchen sink at it now, not in a couple of weeks time.
Maybe because most of us are being farmed – we just haven’t realised it yet
Ahh that got a chuckle, thanks i need that. Makes me think of the Matrix, batteries for the machines.
The argument for shut downs now should be that it’ll be far less damaging to the economy compared to letting this get out of hand at speed.
Jeremy Hunt is worth listening to today (never thought I’d say that).
What I don’t get with the economic argument for not shutting down is that the economy can be propped up.
I didn't know there was an economic argument?
The video in the BBC web site makes a pretty compelling argument for what they are doing.
Jeremy Hunt has just (well an hour ago, I'm on c4 +1) questioned the current proposals as to why we haven't gone further with social distancing now in an interview with Jon Snow.
Hmmm, Dom is not going to be happy...
I thought hunt actually sounded reasonable too. And possibly a little hoarse?
Yep on both counts. Worrying that he seems the voice of reason regarding the NHS...
he’ll be fine, no other health conditions to worry about.
Two words "Mike Pence". Be careful what you wish for!
Who’s going to look after the kids?
The parents? Crazy idea I know.
How many airlines and holiday companies are still going to be in business by the end of the year if this carries on?
Kuoni very quiet, we have had 2 bookings/ enquiries so far this week usually it's 10 to 20 a week at this time of the year. Marketing spend being scaled back for us and we're not spending anything unless absolutely necessary. I'm told that this is as bad or could be worse than Foot and Mouth for us.
Mike Pence? <shudders>. It’d be like having May leave no 10 and Johnson take its place.
D’oh!
Speaking of which. Nice flags. Can’t tell where they for that idea from.
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Jeremy Hunt looks like someone who understands the full scale of what's going to happen. Scary.
Apparently IBM have asked everyone who can to work from home. That's like 20k people.
And meanwhile in America, there are politicians actually intereted in doing something...
https://twitter.com/AnnPettifor/status/1238197633145020416?s=20
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Schools aren’t being closed (yet).
Jp
Surely will be by the end of next week.
This is a really interesting read about how one person lead to a cluster of infections.
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html
Apparently IBM have asked everyone who can to work from home. That’s like 20k people.
They can look after the kids then!!
Well it had to happen, Just had the notification from Jet2 that our holiday to lake Garda has been cancelled. We can claim a refund or find an alternative.
We were due to go on May 30th so still a few months away yet. Who's to know what the situation will be then, we could pick an alternative now only for the same thing to happen further down the line.
Mainly gutted for my little one, she's three. Our first holiday abroad and she's super excited, so she'll be well disappointed.
Two words “Mike Pence”. Be careful what you wish for!
isn't he also at risk of catching it as he was standing right beside trump with the infected brazilian chap and I bet they all shook hands too.
Just had the notification from Jet2 that our holiday to lake Garda has been cancelled. We can claim a refund or find an alternative.
Glad to here this as my insurance doesnt cover our holiday!!! Fingers crossed Mallorca stays safe and we can go.Hope you can get something else though.
Mainly gutted for my little one, she’s three. Our first holiday abroad and she’s super excited, so she’ll be well disappointed.
if she’s anything like my children she’ll be happy to stay at home, with a big cardboard box with a blanket draped over it. But then my children had no real concept of what abroad meant at that age (nor holidays really).
Stolen off a Facebook post:
ITALY: lockdown
CHINA: lockdown
DENMARK: lockdown
NORWAY: lockdown
IRELAND: close all schools, ban large gatherings
USA: close schools, ban all European flights
Boris Johnson: " Right, some of you are going to die, that's just the way it is, the NHS is a bit busy, don't forget the Happy Birthday hand washing thingy and good luck!"
Macron on telly just now saying that scientists are saying kids are major spreaders.
Closing schools could be a bit drastic but possibly needed. Would cause huge disruption however.
What won't cause much disruption* is stopping professional sport for a month or so, nightclubs, pubs, concerts etc etc. I struggle to see why we don't do this.
*In relative terms
Fingers crossed Mallorca stays safe and we can go.
I'm meant to be going in 3 week's. Half of me thinks sa colobra may have less tourist buses than usual, but the other half makes me think I should just stay put. I live on my own, can work from home for as long as I like. As long as I can get my food delivered I'd never need to leave the house!
I’m meant to be going in 3 week’s
Me too, we should meet up for a race up sa colobra!
The parents? Crazy idea I know.
Well I did allude to a few reasons why that isn't necessarily a good option.
Well I did allude to a few reasons why that isn’t necessarily a good option.
Why is that, dont you like your kids?
Macron on telly just now saying that scientists are saying kids are major spreaders.
Yes… but not good clean salt of the earth English kids… they’re made of stronger stuff.
What, what.
Seems pretty relevant..
Why is that, dont you like your kids?
I can work from home but many people can't, they might also have to stay home from work to look after the kids. So their jobs wouldn't get done. Are you going somewhere with this?
Anyone not yet spooked or think it’s ‘just the flu’, watch this. He’s saying it’s going to take a WWII level of collective effort to combat. If that’s true we must still be in the Chamberlain phase.
https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1235994989362110464?s=21
Hard to believe we all watched the same press conference. I may not know enough to pretend to state if I think they are right or wrong, but they did explain the downsides of school closures, early and prolonged isolation etc when asked. You can disagree with what they are doing, or why they are doing it, but the experts have tried to explain their reasoning, and at this stage, no one knows if the countries being much stricter will prove to be more successful.
Every country is gambling. We won't know who got it right for a year or two.
Surely will be by the end of next week.
^^^
Re school closures.
Yep, I’d stick a tenner on that.
The ‘government’ are passengers desperately trying to figure out which course of action makes them look least unprepared and stupid, yet stoical and ‘British’ at every juncture.
Why do do many people on here with zero qualifications or experience relative to the issue think that they know what’s best, or believe that they have some sort of magical ability to predict the future?
Please realise your own limitations and biases and STFU, unless you have something useful to add (and ‘millions will die’ is not something useful in case anyone was wondering).
JP
I can work from home but many people can’t, they might also have to stay home from work to look after the kids. So their jobs wouldn’t get done. Are you going somewhere with this?
Jobs not getting done or people dying, its a trade off! Why should the teachers be in school getting sneezed on whilst others work from home?
. I may not know enough to pretend to state if I think they are right or wrong, but they did explain the downsides of school closures, early and prolonged isolation etc when asked. You can disagree with what they are doing, or why they are doing it, but the experts have tried to explain their reasoning
I get that, but in order to have the opportunity form an opinion I'd like to understand why Macron is being told something very different? In cases of uncertainty the precautionary approach seems sensible doesnt it?
