Watching the medical briefing just now I suspect we'll be going straight into a full lockdown in Greater Manchester as well as Liverpool. It looked very much like they were laying the ground for that
I'm sure they're prepared to do that, no problem. Are they prepared to go further and provide any kind of financial aid for businesses and industry in the area? I'm thinking not. They're shown no inclination whatsoever to do so. So they're just going to let companies go to the wall and unemployment go through the roof.
April is going to look like a breeze compared to this. I do think that Steve Rotherham could be right and that we'll be looking at a rerun of the 80's up here
April is going to look like a breeze compared to this
Much as I don't particularly like or agree with Jezza, his message and politics may be more in vogue by next April, which will entertain me greatly.
The Tories won't keep their inroads into the red wall for much longer.
We were behind with the first peak, and national restrictions lifted too early for up here.
JVT said much the same in this morning’s briefing.
The metro mayors were all saying at the time that it was too early to lift restrictions in the North and that decision was taken based purely on what was happening in London and the South East
They were right
It's depressing that SAGE is now endorsing ideas that were being aired on this thread two or even three months ago, IIRC.
The virus was never suppressed properly around here.
Genuine question:
Does anyone have any confidence that this will be handled any better by this shambolic government than in March? That they've learned anything at all?
How far can you push the elastic of democratic consent before it snaps? And once you've scrambled those eggs, how hard is it to unscramble them?
No. If anything they'll do a worse job of it by ignoring any lessons from last time and they now have lost the support of the general public so even if they do the right moves it will all be ignored.
Are they prepared to go further and provide any kind of financial aid for businesses and industry in the area? I’m thinking not.
The financial aid for lockdown 1 was nowhere near enough, and this time it will be much worse. We're going down the US route. It needs not only full income compensation, but also rent/mortgage holidays, debt relief, bankrutptcy protection, a ban on evictions and foreclosures, and bailouts for affected businesses. They could do all of this but they won't, because it looks very much like socialism. The economy is being thrown to the wolves on the basis of blinkered ideology.
How far can you push the elastic of democratic consent before it snaps?
Until people have direct experience of it. When people start seeing their friends and relatives lose their jobs and homes and descend into poverty from a position of comfort it will suddenly hit home that they could be next.
Does anyone have any confidence that this will be handled any better by this shambolic government than in March? That they’ve learned anything at all?
It would appear not...
I thought that was a spoof at first. Apparently not. It's for real. Complete with a catchy three-word slogan by Dom
The government pledged 1.5 billion for arts and culture. Not a single penny has been issued to anyone yet.
It won't cover any staffing costs or wages for all the freelancers that the industry is staffed by. The ones who haven't had a penny from the government and had no work since March.
It will be given, in true Tory style, to the owners of the bricks and mortar. And I'm sure we can all guess which sections of 'the Arts' will be receiving that funding. I'm sure the Royal Opera House isn't unduly concerned.
Culture secretary disowns 'crass' dancer advert
Soylent green is performers!
Being a ballerina is something you train for from the age of 2 or 3, very few make it all the way through, to suggest to those that did make it to dance professionally that they can simply retrain to work in IT is just unbelievable and highly insulting.
I’m sure the Royal Opera House isn’t unduly concerned.
Don't know, they've just had to sell off an £18 million painting.
I'm sure that theatres in Bolton, Rotherham or Sunderland are contemplating having to do the same if they can't put their panto on this year
Twitter always comes up trumps with tihs kind of thing
https://twitter.com/JeremyJaded/status/1315615488383344641?s=20
An anecdotal point on test and trace (some good, some bad). Friend of my daughter has had unusual headaches/diahorrea for a week or so - was told not a COVID symptom so no test. Friend basically lied to get a test (as she wanted to visit her shielding parents who are immuno-compromised) - surprise surprise it is positive (still no symptoms that NHS would recognise as needing a test) and now it is 8 days since symptoms first appeared.
Daughter does however get a text the following day telling her to self isolate from the day of contact (so she is already on day 9 by then).
And this is how it spreads...
Does anyone have any confidence that this will be handled any better by this shambolic government than in March? That they’ve learned anything at all?
I assume that was a pair of rhetorical questions?
I wonder if anyone in govt googled "Cyber"?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cyber
Mind you, perhaps they're suggesting Fatima sets up an Onlyfans page, I hear it's all the rage in these distanced times.
And this is how it spreads…
I keep pointing out the we know the symptoms for kids are very often different than those presented for adults… but we choose not to amend the advice in the UK to reflect that, because [opinion/supposition not fact] we are not ready to provide the additional and child centric testing that would be in demand if we did so.
China to test 9 million in a week:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-54504785
Even if I didn’t get it off TiRed 🙂
Other experts are available.
I found the dancer advert offensive too. Why not show a surgeon instead?
Whats happening in the rest of Europe right now?
Edukator, Alpin, BobSummers
Can you shed some light on whether this is a UK mess or are all the similar countries experiencing similar?
There have to be factors other than the simplistic incidence rate to justify some local authorities requiring extra intervention and others not. Our LA (Craven) has a rate of 165 per 100K but we aren't even on the "of concern" list yet Birmingham with a rate of 168 is subject to extra restrictions. Perhaps closer to Craven's rural nature is Wyre (just south of Lancaster) with a rate of 157 also with restrictions.
It's not just the rate but the increase in the rate: the last couple of weeks has gone from 80 to 109 to 165, i.e. doubled
There have to be factors other than the simplistic incidence rate to justify some local authorities requiring extra intervention and others not.
Yeah there are, depends on whether you're in a labour or conservative run council or have a high ranking MP or not.
That could all be explained by track and trace results, if track and trace was working well enough to really influence policy. Spoilers: it isn't.
There have to be factors other than the simplistic incidence rate to justify some local authorities requiring extra intervention and others not.
It needs to be simple and transparent, otherwise people arn't going to buy into it.
The infection rate per 100,000 of population is the easiest way of measuring it.
Perhaps the average over a rolling 4 week average?
https://twitter.com/JoshHalliday/status/1315632182837350400
That would be quite something to behold. 'Food-based pubs', indeed.
a) Wetherspoons is a 'cheapest pint for alcoholics-based' pub chain.
b) Isn't pretty much every other pub 'food-based' under that description?
Perhaps food-based-pubs-with-chairmen-who-like-the-tories-and-brexit?
Whats happening in the rest of Europe right now?
Edukator, Alpin, BobSummers
Can you shed some light on whether this is a UK mess or are all the similar countries experiencing similar?
Its tempting to think that our government is uniquely incompetent but We appear to be on a similar trajectory to France and Spain so they're not doing any better than we are.
So the counties affected will only get support if they do what Whitehall say, if not then financial help could be pulled? Unbelievable.
Why not show a surgeon instead?
Because this is a tory gov' who deem anything in the creative industry "not a proper job." As someone thats works in the creative industry I find the whole thing really offensive and makes me hate the tories even more.
BBC have been reporting similar rises in infection rates in Spain and France for a while now, with France talking of pressure in their health system.
Some "rate per thousand" can be a bit too blunt though. An area in Nottinghamshire is showing as very high, but it's a mainly rural area with a low population, but with a prison outbreak of the virus distorting the numbers. Similar to when food processing factories had high infection rates.
Be interesting to know how the older folk are getting infected if their rates are up. Students, schools and workplaces are fairly obvious, but which part of social distancing rules aren't being followed that's putting the over 65s at risk?
Because this is a tory gov’ who deem anything in the creative industry “not a proper job.” As someone thats works in the creative industry I find the whole thing really offensive and makes me hate the tories even more.
And then they'll wonder why their theatres and opera houses etc have closed, and why little Timmy and Florence can't get dance or clarinet lessons. Total disconnect between cause and effect.
This collection of ads is truly shocking. How can a group of "people" be so out of touch with reality and so dismissive that they think its a good idea. Im actually shocked it just reeks of authoritarianism. Let be honest though the Tories have always hated the creative industry they just dont get it.
https://twitter.com/theamzi/status/1315570118580146176?s=20
Be interesting to know how the older folk are getting infected if their rates are up. Students, schools and workplaces are fairly obvious, but which part of social distancing rules aren’t being followed that’s putting the over 65s at risk?
Based on the experience of my parents, my socialising. I've just had a call from my 70 year old Dad asking when the 7 members of our immediate family (3 separate households) can all meet up and it'll be fine going to his house as it's a big house and "if 6 is fine so is 7".
He didn't tell me but I suspect this isn't the first social gathering he's been trying to organise.
However, the other side is he's not seen his family all together for 8 months and it's a risk he's prepared to take...
Be interesting to know how the older folk are getting infected if their rates are up. Students, schools and workplaces are fairly obvious, but which part of social distancing rules aren’t being followed that’s putting the over 65s at risk?
Ignoring the two metre rule when meeting other people and wearing masks over their chins would be my take on it. The only way I can stop the elderly from standing next to me when queuing in the supermarket is to strategically use my basket to form a roadblock behind me.
Well this is excruciating.
He looks as out of his depth as he clearly is. It’s obvious that, as always, he’s not got a clue about the detail of his own new rules.
He’s a ****ing clown! 🙄
Reading between the lines, I gather the other northern metro mayors, other than Steve Rotherham, have told him to **** off with his new measures?
Certainly sounds like Andy Burnham has
Ignoring the two metre rule when meeting other people and wearing masks over their chins would be my take on it. The only way I can stop the elderly from standing next to me when queuing in the supermarket is to strategically use my basket to form a roadblock behind me.
After all they know best...
Andy Burnham for King in The North!!!
Well this is excruciating.
He looks as out of his depth as he clearly is. It’s obvious that, as always, he’s not got a clue about the detail of his own new rules.
He’s a ****ing clown! 🙄
I'm getting angrier and angrier listening to him but I daren't stop listening as if I didn't hear it myself I wouldn't believe what he's saying.
Be interesting to know how the older folk are getting infected if their rates are up.
As said above, they're not adhering to the rules. One of my neighbours has people round all the time, all over 60 and from multiple households. The supermarket tale that flaperon mentions is a common one, they also seem to refuse to wear a mask correctly or at all citing health issues. Could just be the people who frequent my local supermarkets but it's a worrying trend I see.
