Would daily briefings help?
I havent a clue what the rules/guidelines/laws are now and I wouldnt watch briefings and even if I did these clowns couldnt articulate their shit show in an sensible manner because they are not sensible.
This.
Would daily briefings help?
If done correctly, yes. It can’t be helped if people choose not to pay attention to them, but it does give others the chance to hear what is happening and why, without relying on local/national news telling us the bits they find interesting (or not). A lot of people are getting confusing news from Facebook and Twitter as well… what floats to the top there isn’t always ideal… the government should at least try and communicate and lead. Even more important if they are changing laws on the hoof.
If done correctly, yes
Hello my name is Little Matty Hancock........
It’s either get them to stand up and tell us what they are doing and why… or we rely on “a source” dripping it out in an even more confusing and contradictory manner, and our media reporting it to us in a manner that allows plausible deniability. Poor daily briefings are bad… no daily briefings is far worse.
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Another teacher at mrs anagallis’ school tests positive. Must have picked it up at home!!
Can't be school, they're declared safe.
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Would daily briefings help?
I havent a clue what the rules/guidelines/laws are now and I wouldnt watch briefings and even if I did these clowns couldnt articulate their shit show in an sensible manner because they are not sensible.
The problem is its U-turn after u-turn...and little or non of it makes sense in the real world.
Huge amounts of conspiracy theorists are having a field day.
If you give people clear and consistent guidance/rules that are logical and backed by science, ideally with an end goal people will follow them more often than not.
keep giving them contradictory rules and changing your mind and people will be less inclined to.
Daily briefings will not help.
If you give people clear and consistent guidance/rules that are logical and backed by science, ideally with an end goal people will follow them more often than not.
Precisely.
Daily briefings will not help.
It is how you best communicate the above.
It also reinforces the above… because it is easier to get away with not doing so when you don’t have to present in person what is happening and why to the public.
It is how you best communicate the above.
It's too late really... unless they do like Iceland and remove politicians and politics very dfew are going to believe anything from Boris etal.
No. It’s not too late. Things will get far worse if they continue down the private briefing path. I’m not proposing that daily public briefings will undo the damage done… they are required now so as not to allow things to get worse.
Can’t be school, they’re declared safe.
But its also a good opportunity to blame the teachers, which is always nice!!
Our incredibly competent education minister, Gavin Williamson, has been doing a fantastic job of communicating what’s going on in schools and universities.
Anyone seen or heard of him lately?
Maybe he’s been hanging out with Boris
Bit of good news for once.
Although maybe not for us, as seems the UK hasn’t ordered any yet!
But surely, because of the involvement of the European Commission… they’ll still help us ‘till Xmas, yes? [ I have no idea ]
The daily briefings have continued here in Scotland - the message is pretty unambiguous, unless you're a contrarian libertarian
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No. It’s not too late. Things will get far worse if they continue down the private briefing path. I’m not proposing that daily public briefings will undo the damage done… they are required now so as not to allow things to get worse.
This. Too many folks now determined to take a contrary view to whatever the government says or does now, but something has to change to try and get the correct messages across
Has this been done?
"organised walks" (hahahahaha, do me a favour) are also exempt. Remember that one when you're outside with your friends/family, if there's over 6 of you.
If different hobbies nag at the government enough, seems they do a U turn on the six law.
Grum - those tests will only be available to low to middle income countries; we're not there, yet, but heading in that direction.
Number of tests available is limited - 120 million tests over 6 months for 133 countries; this equates to an average of 150k tests per month per country for 6 months only so 5k tests per day per country.
I'm not knocking it just quantifying it.
It's immeasurably better than nothing.
what we are seeing is the absence of any kind of plan or leadership
It feels like any/every member of the government is just making this shit up as they go along - because that's exactly what's happening, and that's becoming dangerously obvious to the wider population.
If the economy starts taking a nosedive and/or the death rate starts accelerating, it really wouldn't surprise me if you started seeing widespread anti-government protests. The constant drip of failures is getting to people.
what we are seeing is the absence of any kind of plan or leadership
It feels like any/every member of the government is just making this shit up as they go along – because that’s exactly what’s happening, and that’s becoming dangerously obvious to the wider population.
Summed up perfectly by Jon Snow on Channel 4 news...
https://twitter.com/TheNfster/status/1310694917338009601?s=20
It's actually an old clip, as government ministers have refused to be interviewed by Channel 4 news for months now, but it's presently trending on Twitter as I think it aptly sums up exactly what we're all thinking
Maybe pubs, schools, and workplaces (above a certain number of employees) should be on a rolling 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off? You don't go in unless your surname starts with a letter half way through the alphabet the first two weeks and crack on the following 2 weeks.
Above post edited as it had a load of formatting shite in it for reasons unknown.
Has this been done?
“organised walks” (hahahahaha, do me a favour) are also exempt. Remember that one when you’re outside with your friends/family, if there’s over 6 of you.
Very sensible. There has to be a Covid trained person to carry out track and trace paperwork, and to ensure everyone follows published guidance they've signed up to. So quite different to 3 families going a walk.
If you didn't watch Panorama last night, then it's worth catching it on iplayer.
It showed the Serco (not NHS!) Test and Trace system from a whistleblower filming it from the inside. World-beating it most certainly isn't! Its a complete and utter shambles and we've not a cat in hells chance of getting to grips with Covid if thats what we're dependent on
Track and Trace have given me 3 different options for isolation so far 2 different dates for it to end and one said I didnt need to isolate at all!!
Mrs anagallis is free today, she just off to walk the dog, not jealous at all 😟😟😟😟 I have 4 days left.
I did indeed hear it. They are always blokes, aren’t they? I don’t think I’ve seen or heard anyone female vocalising such utter bollocks
You listening this morning? Yesterday was white macho hardmen, this morning they've got well-to-do middle class Daily Heil reading ladies banging on about how 'I can't live my life like this' and 'I need to socialise with my friends', and (this is the best one) 'everyone has to die of something eventually'.
Someone should do a research study on the 5live gammon phone-in. It's like when you lift a paving slab and see all the insects, worms and cockroaches living underneath (I've nothing against insects BTW but you know what I mean).
Someone should do a research study on the 5live gammon phone-in.
As with all these things, you only need to ask one question:
What kind of person has both the time and the inclination to phone up a radio phone in at 9.30 in the morning?
It is indeed a complete gammon-o-thon. You're highly unlikely to hear anyone sane
Mrs anagallis is free today, she just off to walk the dog, not jealous at all 😟😟😟😟 I have 4 days left.
How you finding it? I guess going through it with a partner helps. We had to do it right at the start and it SUCKED. Had to get friends to drop us food and rely on deliveroo to get us food from local shops. It was an expensive few weeks. Feel like if you lived somewhere more rural or were on your own it could be struggle. Asda and so on need to do something to support people that have to self isolate.
‘I can’t live my life like this’ and ‘I need to socialise with my friends’,
Or even 'I can't afford to write off that money on flights' and 'I need to go to Spain on holiday'.
Funny old world.
Asda and so on need to do something to support people that have to self isolate.
Morrisons have a priority phone line for elderly, vulnerable and isolating people to use, I thought all the supermarkets did. There's also strict protocols about how the delivery is done too. Don't know about the other supermarkets (I work at Morrisons currently) but we have certain stores with a dedicated van for 'Doorstep' orders and it covers a wider area than the normal Home Delivery areas.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths
Deaths have been declining since the 24th, and admissions are also declining. Just 3 deaths and 245 admissions yesterday.
Panic over.
We had to do it right at the start and it SUCKED. Had to get friends to drop us food and rely on deliveroo to get us food from local shops. It was an expensive few weeks. Feel like if you lived somewhere more rural or were on your own it could be struggle. Asda and so on need to do something to support people that have to self isolate.
We have been ok, been able to get a shop delivery ok, its not like in April when it just wasnt possible to get stuff for my mum. Sons school have been great at sending us work too. My school have been a pain in the bollocks to the point I had to email the head to say stopping dumping work on me, I have enough to do here!!
Have a turbo in garage and I've doing virtual riding which has helped, son has dumb trainer in living room to ride when watching telly!! Without these I'd have been climbing the walls!!
Admissions are also declining.
Where have you seen this?
This suggests otherwise
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Very sensible. There has to be a Covid trained person to carry out track and trace paperwork, and to ensure everyone follows published guidance they’ve signed up to. So quite different to 3 families going a walk.
Does my head in that people haven't grasped the difference between an organised, Covid risk assessed activity with guidance being enforced, and "meeting up with mates".
So a huge shout out to all the Scout and Guide leading types dealing with this at the moment 👏👏
@reluctantjumper - that's good if you're local to your store but what did they do in the previous months of the pandemic?
Some supermarkets have some initiatives to help some people in some areas. In general it's not like that for all. My father-in-Law was not only shielding but alone and vulnerable. Despite being a regular Sainsburys customer for many. many years it took 9 weeks to get a delivery from his local huge store in Kent. If he didn't have good neighbours he'd have starved to death.
Remember that incredibly hot summer about 15 years ago in France? At the end of it, thousands of vulnerable and elderly people died as they couldn't leave their homes for food, medicine etc. This will be happening here due to CV19 but it will be brushed under the carpet by the Govt.
Or even ‘I can’t afford to write off that money on flights’ and ‘I need to go to Spain on holiday’.
No I chose to go on holiday because there was no logical reason not to and it wasn't against any advice or regulations. In fact if you remember, we were all being encouraged to go on holiday and 'get back to normal', which is quite the opposite to what we're being told now. Still, carry on looking for an argument that doesn't exist. It's an interesting form of trolling.
Back on topic though, Mrs Daily Heil reader has a point in that the advice from the govt is inconsistent. It shouldn't be a trade off between preventing covid deaths and saving the economy. We should be able to do both. There's no logical reason why socialising should be banned/discouraged whilst going to work is encouraged/required.
Question for the more informed: Any thoughts on how this will play out in the long run? Vaccines are at a best case 6 months off being approved I think? How long then to scale up production and vaccinate a large enough proportion that community transmission declines?
Will we likely also have lockdowns etc next winter?
Depending on the nature of the vaccine, being able to give it to care and health workers, and the most at risk, should prevent a lock down. Mask wearing and some other measures might well still be normal next winter though, until more people can the vaccinated. [ I don’t know ]
There’s no logical reason why socialising should be banned/discouraged whilst going to work is encouraged/required.
Of course there is a logic in it. If reducing contacts is the aim in order to slow the spread, then this is way of doing this while keeping people working.
though maybe not for us, as seems the UK hasn’t ordered any yet!
But ours will be world-beating and made by Serco.
Panic over.
You should really ignore the past three It four days of deaths on that site due to reporting delays. Deaths are rising in line with lagged hospital admissions.
There is nothing unusual in this. Forget cases. Looking at admissions, and ventilated patients, you will see rising numbers. At a doubling of 7-14 days. This is a consequence of unlocking, school returns and more mixing. That’s what we have.
There is no herd immunity. And we now know that the effects of mask wearing with more mixing are less than the effects of full lockdown. The balance is to identify WHAT level of mixing and protection is sustainable.
Boom and bust. It’s not just an economic theory I am afraid.
Of course there is a logic in it. If reducing contacts is the aim in order to slow the spread, then this is way of doing this while keeping people working.
You misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting that we should abandon the effort to reduce the virus spread by reducing social contact, quite the opposite in fact. I'm suggesting that if eliminating the virus transmission is the goal, then it makes no logical sense to continue sending kids to school and people to work whilst reducing social contact. All we do is remove the things people want to do whilst failing at the goal of stopping the spread. That's unsustainable because as we have seen people will not accept the restrictions on their lives if they're doomed to fail.
I’m suggesting that if eliminating the virus transmission is the goal,
Which it isn't. It never has been, and as various people who know have pointed out very early on, it's pretty much impossible without some sort of super vaccine or cure, which may never happen. Even New Zealand have outbreaks when their strict systems blink and miss something.
The realistic goal, as I understand it, is to keep transmission at an acceptably low level in order to keep the economy ticking over enough that we don't die of debt and starvation in 1-2 years time, while protecting the vulnerable.
You may not realise that this is the plan, given the way the government have handled it, obviously.
Boom and bust. It’s not just an economic theory I am afraid.
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Cutting through to the key point again.
