It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you kick everyone out of all the pubs and restaurants at exactly the same time that it'll get lively on the streets. And guess what, that's what's happened.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist
Yes....it plays directly to them being able to change the narrative from: "the government have really botched this up, resulting in an enormous second wave over winter" to "well.... people just weren't following our clear instructions, that's why Christmas is cancelled - you've only got yourself to blame"
Yes….it plays directly to them being able to change the narrative from: “the government have really botched this up, resulting in an enormous second wave over winter” to “well…. people just weren’t following our clear instructions, that’s why Christmas is cancelled – you’ve only got yourself to blame”
Tories passing the buck surly not.... /sarcasm
Can these pics be filed under the same as the long lens beach shots? Prestwick, where I live, has developed in the last few years as a drinking and eating town, ever since the 10pm curfew was announced, pub numbers are way down.
I'd imagine a lot of the rest of the country is the same, city centres a bit of an outlier.
Surprised that no-one has picked up on this example of rank hypocrisy...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parliament-s-bars-exempt-from-10pm-coronavirus-curfew-wb6g6bbgp
Now a U-turn...parliamentary bars will not serve alcohol after 10pm.
people just weren’t following our clear instructions
I'd wager that a good proportion of the people in that crowd know exactly what they should be doing, but they either DGAF or are wilfully ignoring the guidance. How do you propose we fix that? Better communication about what the consequences of such actions might help but they need to be delivered by someone other than a grey man in a grey suit.
Dear Parents,
Some of you may now be aware that we have had our first confirmed case of COVID-19 at <###>. This is a student in Year 12 and we received confirmation of the positive result this morning. I just wanted to write and explain the process we have gone through this morning and give further details to stop the rumour mill going into overdrive.
This is an isolated case in the Sixth Form, and thankfully, because of the measures taken by the
student and parents, it means we do not need to send anyone else from the community home to
self-isolate.
The student has not been in school since last Monday and only started to show
COVID-19 symptoms last Friday. The guidance we have received from Public Health England is
that individuals only need to self-isolate if they have been in close contact with anyone who tests positive within the 48 hours before they display symptoms. Therefore, this means nobody in the community beyond the student’s household is required to self-isolate at this time. The reason this has been contained effectively is due to the diligence of the student and family.
I guess they had a random cold then were off school and picked up COVID from home.
Better communication about what the consequences of such actions might help but they need to be delivered by someone other than a grey man in a grey suit.
The irony is that the whole anti-mask bullshit is being whipped up by the libertarian right, embodied by the grey men in grey suits on the Tory backbenches.
I'd tell them that its fine for them not to wear face-masks or adhere to social distancing regulations, as that is their inalienable, god-given right as free men.
Then, as they're all so confident of the absence of risk, I'd move the ****ing lot of them into the local hospital's Covid ward.
I’d wager that a good proportion of the people in that crowd know exactly what they should be doing, but they either DGAF or are wilfully ignoring the guidance. How do you propose we fix that?
Avoid the reason they're in the crowd in the first place by closing bars and restaurants?
I’d wager that a good proportion of the people in that crowd know exactly what they should be doing, but they either DGAF or are wilfully ignoring the guidance. How do you propose we fix that?
While I'm all for picking holes in the government's shocking handling of this crisis, and this clearly wasn't following the science or remotely thought through, the fact remains that a lot of people are deciding to act in ways that undermine the intention to limit the spread of the virus. So do we want pubs etc to be closed properly as a minority of customers are idiots, or are we going to magic up 100,000 extra Police to deal with the fallout and issue fines by the bucketful?
The government's handling of this has been shit throughout. So have the actions of some of the population. One doesn't mean the other shouldn't be held to account.
Avoid the reason they’re in the crowd in the first place by closing bars and restaurants?
Or don't kick everyone out of said bars and restaurants at the same time? Maybe a system whereby some places close at 10pm, some at 11pm, some at 12pm, etc? Then people will leave when they're ready and not all at one time. Maybe even let restaurants serve food to customers after the designated closing time, but not alcohol?
Then, as they’re all so confident of the absence of risk, I’d move the ****ing lot of them into the local hospital’s Covid ward.
Binners did you listen to the 5live gammon phone-in this morning? They had a couple of classic macho hardmen with cockney/essex accents ranting about how we need to get back to normal and live our lives. It's the 'come and have a go if you think you're hard enough' approach to surviving a pandemic. And sadly it's not a tiny minority who think this.
Daz - I did indeed hear it. They are always blokes, aren't they? I don't think I've seen or heard anyone female vocalising such utter bollocks
Depending on the age group its either the football hooligan types who think that you can beat the virus by glassing it, or the older Tory retired colonel types who seem to think you can shoot it with your service revolver.
The government’s handling of this has been shit throughout. So have the actions of some of the population. One doesn’t mean the other shouldn’t be held to account.
To be fair to the government, over the last week they have managed to finally foster a sense of national unity over something
Absolutely everyone in the country seems completely agreed that shutting all the pubs and restaurants at 10pm is a thunderingly ****ing stupid idea!
The government’s handling of this has been shit throughout. So have the actions of some of the population. One doesn’t mean the other shouldn’t be held to account.
The population are mostly just following the government advice... given this is so mixed-up, confused and sporadic they can just choose which version.
"Why aren't you wearing a mask"
"because the government said not to..."
"when"
"oh March I think?"
It's like the British weather.... don't like it,. don't worry wait an hour and it will be completely different.
I quite frankly can't be bothered trying to keep up. I assume its going to rain or snow either way.
I quite frankly can’t be bothered trying to keep up. I assume its going to rain or snow either way.
As someone who lives on the boundaries of Greater Manchester, while actually being in Lancashire, but with a Bolton postcode, it's a minefield.
So, the restrictions I am under can change god knows how many times while I'm just going about my usual daily business. During the course of the day I'm likely to be in three geographical areas, all right next to each other, but all with completely different levels of restrictions in place.
Its total ****ing madness! I've given up trying to work out which apply to me at any one time. Everyone else seems to have done so too.
I'm simply ignoring it all and adhering to the usual 'don't be a dick' rule
The governments handling of this whole thing has been a total shambles from day 1, and it appears to be getting progressively worse
So do we want pubs etc to be closed properly as a minority of customers are idiots,
If they're proving to be a significant vector of transmission, either directly or indirectly, then yes, it would be sensible to close them. As Batfink is saying, that does seem to be the case in Australia. And it's clear to see that restricted hours does not contain the root cause (probably exacerbates it) of hundreds of thousands of disinhibited people failing to SD.
As predicted, this is the political nature of the rule changes and mirrors the challenge that was had in March.
I guess they had a random cold then were off school and picked up COVID from home.
Or they picked up covid from somewhere, wouldnt have been school though, they are covid safe, it developed into what they thought was a cold, but given the situation they werent sure so did the right thing and stayed off school, after a few days some/a covid symptom developed. Meanwhile back at school other mates who he'd been down the pub with (or sat in lessons with, but schools are covid safe so I discounted this) are either asymptomatic or had such mild symptoms they just thought it was a cold and carried on with life.
wouldnt have been school though, they are covid safe,
Are you being sarcastic?
Are you being sarcastic?
Nope, not me, never, I was told schools were safe by Boris.
Everyone knows schools are Covid safe
As are pubs, but only before 10pm. They're bloody lethal by 10.02
Went to the Pub Saturday evening, it was pretty good. Masks on entry or bugger off. Pre-booked tables only, table service etc.
The problem was 'Dickheads'. There was a table of 7, 40+ blokes who loudly proclaimed they were "getting them in now before 10" and then fell about the place, trying to hug people, "forgetting" to wear masks to go to the Toilet etc. The Bar staff did what they could, but they weren't security, so they just took the piss out of them. One of them pretty much shoulder barged me out of the way as I left as he wanted my seat.
I read posts about how 10pm was a stupid idea because people will just got to the Shop and carry on drinking in the street, or all pile on top of each other in the street / bus / tube to get home etc like they people involved as the innocent victims in all this and it's better to just let them do as they wish because it might make them more likely to do the right thing.
I don't see how easy to understand / follow rules can mitigate for Drunk or Stupid or Drunk and Stupid people, seems we can't do anything right unless there is someone in Hi Vis to enforce it. I don't know what the answer is, but just letting people drink on until the early hours isn't it. I've spent long enough working in pubs to know you just can't rely on drinkers to do, well anything.
Pubs and Bars seem like an Pandemic luxury we can't afford at the moment.
As are pubs, but only before 10pm. They’re bloody lethal by 10.02
It's weird the way the protective effect of a payment card reader just stops at 22:00. It's almost like Cinderella's coach turning into a pumpkin at midnight. One of these is a fairy story.
binners
Meanwhile back at school other mates who he’d been down the pub with (or sat in lessons with, but schools are covid safe so I discounted this) are either asymptomatic or had such mild symptoms they just thought it was a cold and carried on with life.
Yep... madness.
It's only a matter a time until most of the populous decide to take the French approach which is to obey the rules/laws they agree with and forget all about the others
Went to the Pub Saturday evening, it was pretty good. Masks on entry or bugger off. Pre-booked tables only, table service etc.
I noticed this on Sunday when partner and I went for a roast. Is this now law or are people just being a bit more sensible? General vibe was mask warn anywhere but your seat so going to toilet means wearing a mask.
New "rules", yes... not sure about "law"... not sure any of the mask wearing rules are backed by law.
In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (a list of examples for each is included in the brackets):
- premises providing hospitality (bars, pubs, restaurants, cafes), except when seated at a table to eat or drink (see exemptions)
Stagger closing times and the chaps and lassies will move on to one that's open.
Stagger closing times and the chaps and lassies will move on to one that’s open.
No solution is perfect.
Have to be honest, table service in pubs, limited numbers, social distancing and have to leave at 10pm is pretty much my ideal, middle aged pub experience.
Stagger closing times and the chaps and lassies will move on to one that’s open.
Yep... it would be the worst approach.
I don't think we should be limiting opening hours at all.
The change to table service and more mask wearing makes perfect sense though.
What is REALLY needed, is for each pub to have a maximum number of customers at a time, and stick to it... only that would make them close to "Covid Safe"... but it would also be obvious then that many pubs can't open safely and not run at a loss. Those pubs should be closed and the staff paid to stay home... but the government isn't up for that... yet.
Another teacher at mrs anagallis' school tests positive. Must have picked it up at home!!
Stagger closing times and the chaps and lassies will move on to one that’s open
Not if it's full, or if you don't allow entry after a certain time. And don't forget, this isn't just pubs, it's restaurants too.
Real world example. We went out for a meal at the weekend, 8pm table which is about the normal time we'd book. Normally that'll mean 90 mins to 2 hours on the meal and then a coffee or another glass of wine at the table to finish. Leave restaurant around 10:30pm/11pm which is before the pubs close and certainly before the bars close, so we can get a cab easily or get the train which'll be quiet.
This weekend was different.
8pm table (booked before the new rules came in), but as we knew we couldn't hang around after the meal we had a few drinks beforehand in a bar that's normally quiet early on and was instead busy (meaning no drop in volume consumed, and arguably a small increase and no less contact with others). Meal felt a touch rushed as we knew we had to be out at 10pm. Leave at 10pm with everyone else and the area is busy, there's a queue at the taxi rank and Uber are on surge pricing, so we get the train, which was also busy.
It's not the pubs/bars/punters fault, they're just playing by the rules their given. But the curfew hasn't meant people drink less or meeting less, it's just meant they drink early and all come out together at the same time, meaning some will mingle.
If you want to restrict it, there are many more sensible ways. Stop serving at 10pm but allow people to stay and order food/soft drinks for example. Or stop entry to new places at a set time so people don't move around so much when they're inebriated. That way the times they leave are staggered.
Exactly... customers need to be staggered over a longer period, not a shorter one. If this is about packed pubs full of drinkers late at night, and that needs stopping... then limit numbers or close those kinds of pubs/bars (and support their owners and staff).
I think the anti mask folks are about 52% of the population...
We could call them maskexiteers.. who are demanding maskexit....
We really should just let natural selection tun its course here, it would be a win win.
2nd positive test at nearby secondary, only a few kids sent home not the whole bubble, dont get it tbh.
OldManMtb2 - i also find sweeping generalisations work well.
We really should just let natural selection tun its course here, it would be a win win.
Doesn't work like that. The antimaskvax ****ers won't die in all likelihood, but some of the people they pass it onto will.
Spread a conspiracy theory that the government is using the mass gatherings in Trafalgar Square to secretly inoculate everyone in the crowd with a new Bill Gates approved gas-based vaccine. That should thin them out a bit.
book a taxi when you book your meal?Leave at 10pm with everyone else and the area is busy, there’s a queue at the taxi rank
Staggering closing would be an absolute nightmare to administrate, how would you even do it fairly?
Could always support a local business rather than one that requires a taxi/public transport to get to!
I like a sweeping generalisation... the only discussion is the depth and width of the generalisation but i leave that to others.
I encounter a lot of stupid people... maybe i should move to different social circles.
Staggering closing would be an absolute nightmare to administrate, how would you even do it fairly
dont police already try & do this in busy city centres to avoid the kind of scene we've had
Staggering closing would be an absolute nightmare to administrate, how would you even do it fairly?
we had it before the new rules. Restaurants generally take last bookings at 9pm ish, pubs close between 10pm and 12pm. You call last orders 30 mins before you want to close, some leave immediately, some take their time. It happened without rules before COVID.
Could always support a local business rather than one that requires a taxi/public transport to get to!
Well, there 2 independent restaurants within walking distance of my house and I’ve eaten at both within the last 2 weeks. There’s a whole lot more in the centre of Birmingham so there no harm in supporting them and indeed my local taxi firm.
So… people from two households to be stopped … by law … from meeting in the pub/restaurant … in parts of the North East of England. Soon, no one will have a clue what the guidance is, or what the law is. We need more consistent guidance and, now it is changing several times a week, the daily briefings must return.
Would daily briefings help?
I havent a clue what the rules/guidelines/laws are now and I wouldnt watch briefings and even if I did these clowns couldnt articulate their shit show in an sensible manner because they are not sensible.
