Let's hope that mad Nad has been cosying up to johnson.
In other news....Trump says virus will go away; who needs medical experts?
I feel so re-assured by the orange buffoon.
It's a bit of a bummer when 'moving through the population' means your colleagues and workplace. Still, I'm sure Boris will take it on the chin.
Nadine Dories felt ill but did a constituency meeting anyway
Pretty crazy she's a health minister, that's as mad as Chris grayling being put in charge of the nation's security apparatus
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1237507987012571136?s=20
Didn't I read something from a minister in the last week or so about them 'not tolerating people attempting to profit on the back of this'? At the end of last year I bought a litre of isopropyl alcohol for £5.89.Today,from the same supplier, same amount they're asking £25!
If that story is true, wtf does Grayling have on johnson?
Grayling has proved his incompetence and ineptitude in every gov post he held; being
shoe-horned onto the Intelligence and Security Committee is bad enough but being mooted to chair it??
He's a yes man and true believer. That's all BJ and Cum need/want.
Anyway...this is ot.
Point is that our PM rewards loyalty over intelligence
I'm not sure this bodes well for anything, including handling corona
just on in the bar I popped into
I’m thinking UK has no real concept of behaving differently
True 🙂
Coming back from a ride on Saturday I got chatting to an Italian friend about how Europe would cope compared to Asia, and from our own experiences, Hong Kong with COVID-19.
Based on being married to a local, most HKers tend to be very clean, I am sure those who have visited overt he years have had to get used to using the shared chopstick and the personal chopstick when in restaurants, one for picking the food and placing in your bowl/plate and the other set for the act of eating it. As soon as it looked like it was spreading from across the border people started to up their game, masks went on (typically only worn when you feel ill to stop the spread) and the usual mass gatherings of family and friends got severely curtailed. People basically took it upon themselves to start acting appropriately to ensure the spread was minimized (not all but the vast majority) and even going as far as to protest to get the government to close the Chinese border, no real effort getting people on board with this I suppose based on the previous 6 months of 'troubles' but it did stop the medical services being overrun (out of the first 12 diagnosed cases, 11 were Chinese who made a run for the border when they realized they were ill). Luckily its been contained to a point here, sadly with 3 deaths now but we are now starting to see signs of things switching back and I expect come April we should be getting back to normal, well normal as the previous 6 months of rioting left us.
There is of course the financial impact, a lot people here are just accepting that they need to take unpaid leave as companies just cannot afford to continue operating at the previous rate (the majority of Cathay staff for example are now on 3 weeks unpaid leave), this has helped mitigate some of the worst financial implications, it will be interesting to see how Europe copes, or doesn't with that choice.
I'm due at my sisters 50th this weekend in Luton. Looking at 25-30 people in a 4 bed house... I'm sitting wondering about the wisdom of it.... Do we, don't we...
I don't want to be harsh, but, well, it's just a birthday thing.... Hmmmmm.
It’s a bit of a bummer when ‘moving through the population’ means your colleagues and workplace.
Au contrere mon brave, just the top down, leading-from-the-front approach we expect from a government in a crisis...
The thing I don't understand is ... who drinks that much milk anyway?
Health Minister has it, might have given it to Boris!
Should be fun watching this evolve through the day!
Should be fun watching this evolve through the day!
Why ? Why will it be fun ?
lol i get your point monster yes.... But it's not really about whether the social aspect of it is great or not... I can accept that side of it, i was thinking more about under the current circumstances whether i'm getting a bit hysterical by debating bailing really. But i don't want to offend.... but then again, i'd like to keep my chances of dropping dead to a minimum too i guess.
Nadine Dorries held a surgery in her Mid Bedfordshire constituency on Saturday, which was attended by 50 people. So, how come if she wasn't ill enough on Saturday to avoid spreading her 'knowledge', she's now 'over the worst' (according to her own tweet)? Is it just a 3 day thing for most people? And if it's only a 3 day thing, how come she got tested? Is it one rule for them and one rule for the rest of us plebs..
10% of cases need mechanical ventilation in ICU in Italy.
Nationally we have around 70k of these. After they are all in use people will die.
The twitter posts of some Lombardy doctors yesterday was very sobering. Our health service should be clearing out all elective surgery patients and not re-admitting anyone except for emergency cases.
We're in for a rough ride and the health service personnel will take the brunt.
While we're all gloating over Ms Dorries infection spare a thought for her mother of 84 who is in the same house and is probably not in a happy place right now.
Bank of England drops interest rates to help. Arse, I wish I’d predicted Coronavirus before agreed a new 5 year term on my mortgage!
in other news one of our local shops told us they refused a delivery of antibacterial hand gel the other day because the supplier had tripled the price. Bloody pirates!
Who the **** goes looking on a cycling forum for facts about a highly contagious virus?
In fairness, where do you go?
My wife spent hours on the phone yesterday to PHE and DoE as a pupil at her school may have had contact
His grandparents came back from Singapore over the weekend and spent time with the family. Yesterday the Grandpops and the mother have flu-ish symptoms.
After hours being batted from PHE to DoE, the word is "carry on as normal until a definite case is diagnosed"
When can the ill people be tested? Next Monday!
It would make sense for the kid to stay off school for a few days but that isn't the advice. Bad news for any one at school with any other issues, maybe?
In the meantime, Dad works in a food manufacturer and has been told to stay home. Just in case.
Anti bacterial hand gel really isn't much use against a virus.
Anti bacterial hand gel really isn’t much use against a virus.
If it has a sufficiently high alcohol content (70%+), then yes, it is.
so only 18 years to test the whole country (assuming you only need testing once cos you know once you're tested you can't catch it!) impressive :/
It would make sense for the kid to stay off school for a few days but that isn’t the advice
Can’t you use your common sense without waiting for someone else to tell you? The risk you run is infect half the school.
Whew, the Express is saying the NHS is ready. Something to look forward to, alongside that barbecue summer and Princess Di's killers being brought to justice.
Can’t you use your common sense
Why does PHE not have any?
Why not just have some simple guidelines for all?
One of the first anti bacterial heels I found on Amazon has this:
It contains an odour neutralising fragrance with a clean and refreshing scent and top notes of apple and mandarin, floral Jasmine, violet and musk.
And a very long list of ingredients, none of which are alcohol.
the Express
think you'll find that it's the Boris Bugle these days
In fairness, where do you go?
NHS or PHE just because it didn’t give the advice you hoped for doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
The bit I am interested in is the potential demographic changes that could come out of this. Basically if Boris does nothing he will kill off a large part of his core voters and a large proportion of the tory party membership.
so only 18 years to test the whole country (assuming you only need testing once cos you know once you’re tested you can’t catch it!) impressive :/
That’s the Expess you’re quoting. Don’t worry the worst winter in 60 years will kill off the virus.
@weeksy - rolleyes smilie didn't work, it's going to be one giant cluster **** for the rest of the year at least. (No smilie missing)
I hope there are enough ventilators in country for those that need it.
I hope there are enough ventilators in country for those that need it.
but they've underlined "
- We're Ready
"
And a very long list of ingredients, none of which are alcohol.
Is it marketed as a sanitizer gel or a handwash/soap? Normally the ones with decent alcohol content are labelled as the former of those.
Basically if Boris does nothing he will kill off a large part of his core voters and a large proportion of the tory party membership.
....and his elderly boss, with whom he was in Westminster Abbey very recently.
The general UK population is probably not in a place where serious measures would be adhered too. There aren’t enough Police to enforce anything, which leaves you with very few options.
I think Government will likely have to to wait for it go to ***+ first.
So my school has cancelled Parents Eves for the next few weeks which I sort of understand, but almost all the parents live with their kids so the kids come in with their pathogens anyway and then sneeze on me, cant help think if parents are at risk if they come in what about the kids and teachers.....
Is it marketed as a sanitizer gel or a handwash/soap? Normally the ones with decent alcohol content are labelled as the former of those.
Anti Bacterial Hand Wash.
Actually there _is_ some alcohol in there, but it's way down the list after salt and citric acid.
It claims to kill 99.9% of bacteria, but the ingredients all seem to just be soap and water.
It claims to kill 99.9% of bacteria
Bacteria are not the problem. You want something that kills viruses. (Virii?)
Anti Bacterial Hand Wash.
Actually there _is_ some alcohol in there, but it’s way down the list after salt and citric acid.
It claims to kill 99.9% of bacteria, but the ingredients all seem to just be soap and water.
Two points:
As above, if you're out and about and you need sanitizer because you don't have access to water, this ain't it. You need something with at least 70% alcohol content
If you have access to handwashing facilities, and want to use this as soap, that's fine, but normal soap will be just as effective. The important thing is the mechanical action of scrubbing your hands for 20-30 seconds with soap.
It's soap. Soap is effective at disrupting viruses and bacteria- this includes coronavirus.
It's not a hand sanitiser that you use without water- which needs the high % of alcohol to effectively kill viruses.
more info: https://www.marke****ch.com/story/deadly-viruses-are-no-match-for-plain-old-soap-heres-the-science-behind-it-2020-03-08 (OK, it's not Nature or NatSci, but it's decent science).
but the ingredients all seem to just be soap and water.
Soap is very effective, something to do with lipids and the outside of the cell being broken. There is a thread on Twitter that explains it all
https://twitter.com/pallithordarson/status/1236549305189597189?s=21
