If we'd managed to build an app like the NZ one above to register attendance at pubs etc you can guarantee that folk on here would have been set against it because of big brother knowing where and when they go for a pint, and who with. Kobyashi Maru scenario for the government I reckon.
Agreed, because we have a government we cant and shouldn't trust. With a shameful record of self interest, distraction and incompetence on the public health side of the pandemic. NZ government has been exemplary, ergo there is a high level of trust.
You can anonymously use digital sign ins, and be notified when you have been in contact with someone spreading the virus… you can’t anonymise a slip of paper with your details on for anyone to read and share…
Good face mask usage here in Glasgow even before it became mandatory. And very few new cases in Scotland now.
Incredibly stupid but also deeply sad
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party
I never want to hear about “digital solutions” from this government ever again… useless lying incompetent shites that they are…
Funny, the pub I’ve been to for the last two evenings has laminated cards on all of the tables with a QR code that you can scan, which opens a site where you put in your location, name and a phone number, which seems like a ‘digital solution to me; perhaps my interpretation of ‘digital solution’ is different to yours - perhaps you think anything that needs to be hand-written is a ‘digital solution’...
Oh, and Eiré has issued a C19 tracing app, that also works in the rest of the UK, and uses the Apple/Google SDK, I’ve downloaded it onto my phone, it accepts a phone number based in England just as easily as one in Eiré/ N Ireland.
Agreed, because we have a government we cant and shouldn’t trust. With a shameful record of self interest, distraction and incompetence on the public health side of the pandemic.
Plenty of others around, not just the U.K...
If we’d managed to build an app like the NZ one above to register attendance at pubs etc you can guarantee that folk on here would have been set against it because of big brother knowing where and when they go for a pint, and who with. Kobyashi Maru scenario for the government I reckon.
I doubt many on here give much of a rat’s ass about anyone knowing they’ve been for a pint, I know I don’t.
Plus nobody would know where I’ve been by looking at my phone’s location, ‘cos I use a VPN and I don’t use Google or Fb, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Instagram...
On thursday I saw very few masks in use in Leith and was thinking that it looked bad for compliance on friday onward. In fact compliance seems to be almost complete ( apart from the chippy where no one had one - staff or punters)
I have also seen almost no whinging online from scotland about wearing masks - but loads from other places.
I put this down to two things - trust in our government and the self congratulating streak that runs thru modern scotland - "we are better than that / them" I really think that there is this effect of trying to be seen as doing the right thing to differentiate ourselves. I don't really care what the motivation is tho as it all helps make this country a nicer place
Plus nobody would know where I’ve been by looking at my phone’s location, ‘cos I use a VPN and I don’t use Google or Fb, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Instagram…
Sorry to burst your bubble but cell pings with an accuracy of +/- 12m accuracy on average are easily available on the data market. Although it’s illegal - I wonder if this privacy would be legitimately broken for a COVID outbreak - to tie them back to a personally named record, it’s easy to plot where they reside On a regular basis for 6-7 hours a night.
Having said that I’m talking about some pretty clever career data scientists, I’m not sure any of those work for the conservatives given recent history.
I never want to hear about “digital solutions” from this government ever again…
laminated cards on all of the tables with a QR code that you can scan, which opens a site where you put in your location, name and a phone number
interpretation of ‘digital solution’ is different to yours
Is that government provided? Is it open to very obvious abuse and phishing? How do you know to trust what’s at the end of that link? How is the data collected anonymised? How long is it retained? Why are people expected to be filling in multiple forms when solutions already exist for this? Sounds like the very worst solution I can think of.
I doubt many on here give much of a rat’s ass about anyone knowing they’ve been for a pint, I know I don’t.
I can see why a group of women might not want to give pub staff they don’t know their addresses on bits of paper to keep behind the bar though.
Oh, and Eiré has issued a C19 tracing app, that also works in the rest of the UK, and uses the Apple/Google SDK, I’ve downloaded it onto my phone, it accepts a phone number based in England just as easily as one in Eiré/ N Ireland.
Are you planning on getting 80% of UK smart phone users to download that app? Or are you just going to accept that what you’re doing is pointless, as none of the people you come into contact with in England will be using it?
Actually, if you do start some campaign to adopt the Irish app, count me in… sounds more likely to succeed this summer than waiting for our government to deliver.
Eiré
Where now?
I doubt many on here give much of a rat’s ass about anyone knowing they’ve been for a pint, I know I don’t.
But you can imagine people for whom that would be an issues though, right?
Plus nobody would know where I’ve been by looking at my phone’s location, ‘cos I use a VPN and I don’t use Google or Fb, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Instagram…
The idea that if they wanted to this Govt (or any other for that matter) couldn't track you via your phone whenever they felt like it is going to be defeated because you don't use a popular social media channel is flat earth thinking, frankly.
Plus nobody would know where I’ve been by looking at my phone’s location, ‘cos I use a VPN and I don’t use Google or Fb, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Instagram…
Oh noes, I use Google, Facebook and Whatsapp.
Is Boris in my attic drilling holes and peeking at me?
Ffs get a grip, no one cares where you've been, unless you've been a naughty boy.
Ffs get a grip, no one cares where you’ve been, unless you’ve been a naughty boy.
You don’t really get the security aspects of vpn do you?
Not sure why anyone would think they are important enough that the government (or anybody else for that matter) cares where they have been, or what they have been doing. Just comes across as paranoid..
Anyways, I heard there was going to be some news next week about vacine progress..can't imagine it's going to be confirmation that it works based on the fact there's not been enough community transmission to establish that yet..
You don’t really get the security aspects of vpn do you?
Did I say anything about the VPN?
I can see why a group of women might not want to give pub staff they don’t know their addresses on bits of paper to keep behind the bar though.
I've not yet been asked for an address for track and trace, but I get the point.
No data system is completely safe. I'm fear that the paranoia on the issue in the UK will hamstring any solution.
It is something that “any solution” needs to overcome, not ignore, if it is to be a solution.
Did I say anything about the VPN?
You quoted it in the post followed with your usual sarcy comments, so effectively yes, you did.
Here's a paper which discusses the possibility of preexisting immunity:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0389-z
I’m fear that the paranoia on the issue in the UK will hamstring any solution.
It's not paranoia, just prudence. The current shower have form for big data abuse and like the environment every little that we can do to thwart the growth of their espionage helps. It is none of their business what we the populace do, unless you are a sociopath who worries that you'll get yours if you don't keep tabs on everything.
Funny, the pub I’ve been to for the last two evenings has laminated cards on all of the tables with a QR code that you can scan, which opens a site where you put in your location, name and a phone number, which seems like a ‘digital solution to me; perhaps my interpretation of ‘digital solution’ is different to yours
This is the official "world beating track and trace system" in action - subcontracted to pub landlords. Likewise the customers at the pub in Batley that was shut down were contacted by the landlord, not by PHE. Maybe this is a subtle way to get us all back in the pub - it's the only way anyone will get tested for Cv ?
To be fair… you can get tested easily now… especially if you can drive.
The track/trace/isolate and app failures are obvious and indefensible, at this late stage. We needed and should have had this fully in place before we relaxed social distancing measures (the government even said so themselves, before they realised their private sector chums weren’t really up to that kind of delivery timeline… to put it mildly).
So masks are not popular with some of Johnson's base....
It’s the one thing I genuinely don’t get...
Why is wearing a mask such a huge issue for some?...
I mean it, quite literally, won’t kill you...
Covid on the other hand..
So masks are not popular with some of Johnson’s base
Is that a genuine bias in Tory voters?
every little that we can do to thwart the growth of their espionage helps
At the expense of public health and safety?
My data has been widely available probably since the internet was invented. No one seems to have abused that knowledge yet.
I genuinely don't see the risk to me. I don't care who knows where I go or who I'm with or what websites I look at. And no one has yet given me a concrete example of it happening to them either.
And no one has yet given me a concrete example of it happening to them either.
You quoted it in the post followed with your usual sarcy comments, so effectively yes, you did.
Oh I'm sorry, should I have quoted it as follows just to make sure you understood it despite me specifically calling out the items I was referring to -
Plus nobody would know where I’ve been by looking at my phone’s location, ‘cos I use a and I don’t use Google or Fb, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Instagram…
My bad.
So masks are not popular with some of Johnson’s base
Because the mask has been sold as a device to protect others so if you don't care about others then why would you want to wear a mask.
On a train heading into Leeds at the moment. I'm the only person wearing a mask. No guard on board (well, there is, but he's hiding at the back).
Can't see it working in shops, most people are incapable of following the one way system or social distancing guidelines to begin with.
On a train heading into Leeds at the moment. I’m the only person wearing a mask. No guard on board (well, there is, but he’s hiding at the back).
Can’t see it working in shops, most people are incapable of following the one way system or social distancing guidelines to begin with.
It's about 70% compliance on my train into London
Not enforced at all
Can’t see it working in shops, most people are incapable of following the one way system or social distancing guidelines to begin with.
Nationally, compliance is about 80% overall but with certain spikes of non-compliance.
Wearing it in shops may actually help because the message at the moment is incredibly confusing around stations, on public transport, in shops on stations and so on. Some consistency would help greatly with compliance.
Having worked (driven) trains through the lockdown across the north there are definitely certain areas and times when face covering compliance is better than others. Commuters seem pretty good at taking precautions. However a lot of people who wear them seem to think that once they're on the train they can pull their face covering down away from their mouth and nose. In my opinion making them mandatory in shops will have a positive effect on overall carrying of them by the more casual travellers.
Bigger stations like Manchester Piccadilly & Leeds have a lot of staff enforcing walking routes to avoid crowding, giving out face coverings and trying to enforce the unenforceable.
Train use nationally is still between 10 and 20% of normal levels. And I suspect that in the south that figure is a bit higher than in the north. I have to travel on the train as a passenger sometimes to get from A to B while in work, and I have no problem with that at the moment. I'd refuse to get on a packed train but I've not had to be put in that situation yet.
Public transport is still meant to be for essential travel only. Once a train leaves a main station though, out in the wilds there is little that can be done. During the day, random groups of bored kids/adolescents off on a jolly appear every now and then knowing there's not much revenue protection being carried out at smaller intermediate stations. A train I worked out of Blackpool at the weekend was full of the sort of people who I assume haven't seen any news for six months. Mostly families who travelled all the way back towards Manchester. The other evening I saw the guard on my train have to tell four folks who turned up on MTBs at Hebden Bridge that, sorry, they couldn't board. We already had two or three bikes on, the maximum allowed is two even in normal times, and every additional bike can make social distancing more difficult with people having to squeeze past others etc.
There's been the odd incidence of people being assaulted at work, one or two spitting incidents etc., but most of the crime has actually been trespass the on the railway, usually the scourge of the Easter/summer school holidays.
At work we all feared the worst once the pubs opened but the late trains around the north seem to be generally quiet for now.
Our company is still running what can basically be compared to a Sunday service.
It's strange because we know the whole rail industry is on life support and nobody knows how long redundancies will take if passenger numbers don't return in the next year or so. There's certainly nowhere near enough business to fill three Pendolinos per hour between Manchester and Euston. At the moment there is still recruitment and training going on at my firm. All the TOCs are all but nationalised (my own employer was officially taken into public hands a month before the lockdown anyway due to dire performance) but there's no way the passenger train operating companies can revert back to their previous commercial setups, half of them were on the verge of going bust/handing the keys back anyway.
It’s strange because we know the whole rail industry is on life support and nobody knows how long redundancies will take if passenger numbers don’t return in the next year or so. There’s certainly nowhere near enough business to fill three Pendolinos per hour between Manchester and Euston. At the moment there is still recruitment and training going on at my firm. All the TOCs are all but nationalised (my own employer was officially taken into public hands a month before the lockdown anyway due to dire performance) but there’s no way the passenger train operating companies can revert back to their previous commercial setups, half of them were on the verge of going bust/handing the keys back anyway.
My train from london to MK has gone from 1000 passengers at rush hour (completely rammed, social distancing of about 5cm max) to 100 people max according to social distancing rules & they dont seem to have reached that capacity yet
cant imagine the size of the losses they are making!
Genuine LOL at the tory activists. You would think they would be tearing up membership cards in shame at the performance of this shoddy government.
Like Cummings will give shit about those useful idiots - after all who else are the going to vote for 🙂
And yet we plough on with HS2, which isn't really about high speed rail (it won't even be that quick) but is instead about freeing up paths (capacity) to allow more trains to run on the 'normal' railway which had run out of room.
So masks are not popular with some of Johnson’s base…
I did read somewhere that there's a strong correlation between folks who don't want wearing a mask to be compulsory, but do want to make wearing a poppy compulsory...I think it was meant as satire, but these days it's hard to tell TBH.
We're about to see a whole other level of stupid about wearing masks.
is instead about freeing up paths (capacity) to allow more trains to run on the ‘normal’ railway which had run out of room
It is indeed. Capacity and demand/use over the next year or so isn't relevant though, HS2 is about future, not current, capacity. It's way off still.
That Tory up there is fabulous. If anyone who knew him had any doubt at all in their minds that actually, underneath, he might be alright, that doubt has surely been removed now. Lol. ****
I was quite amused by Hancocks reponse to the tory mouth breather going on about a monstrous impostition over using masks for shopping
Link above to today’s article following the Oxford vaccine. An interesting read, and definitely looking promising.
Sounds good. Fingers crossed.
