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The Leicester thing is interesting. Reports suggest the positive tests are in the poorer, more densely populated part of the city, which have higher BAME population, and I’m going out on a limb, a higher population in more physical close contact factory work.
Apparently 2 outbreaks there associated with meat processing factories
Which seem to be very common places for outbreaks
Jesus, put a safety net around Melton Mowbray now!!
matt_outandabout
SubscriberWe’re selfish.
On the whole, aye. But we can be led or inspired or bullied or guilted into acting in a less selfish way. Or in this case, we could also be helped to understand that what seems selfish today is self-harm next week.
But instead we've been led into acting in more selfish ways, and the government has decided to act in ways that have made people who followed the rules feel stupid and ignored and disrespected.
Jesus, put a safety net around Melton Mowbray now!!
Good point. This pandemic has just got serious!
We’re selfish.
Most of us aren't. Most people have complied and most people support the measures being taken, according to polls.
Just for anyone who thinks that being fit and healthy and even young means that covid-19 will be 'like a mild flu', here's an excellent piece from the Guardian about long-haul covid-19, which I and several others on here are still suffering from - 16th week of it in my case. The idea that if you don't get hospitalised, all will be fine is bobbins for a lot of people. Most long-haulers actually have a relatively mild experience of covid, it's the aftermath that's horrendous. Thanks Boris.
I think its the people with the common sense that are still being careful, staying 2m apart, wearing masks in public places and knowing there is still a risk of catching this awful virus.
At first I was against mask wearing because of the general public not being used to them and constantly touching the mask near the mouth and nose. However the public are getting better at wearing one and wearing it correctly.
I for one will not be going to the hairdressers or pub. Am shopping locally in independent stores which are all geared up to safely serving the customer and looking after their staff.
Oh and one thing that's getting on my nerves is people thinking the 2m distancing is over on 4th July. It is still 2 metres going down to 1m plus if this is not possible.
And other mitigation where 2m isn't possible.
It is still 2 metres going down to 1m plus if this is not possible.
How much blame attaches to the media for dumbing down the garbled messages that are being put out by the government? Very disappointed that large chunks of all media have picked the sexy headline rather than gone for clarifying the real important messages
The Leicester thing is interesting. Reports suggest the positive tests are in the poorer, more densely populated part of the city, which have higher BAME population, and I’m going out on a limb, a higher population in more physical close contact factory work.
Its been similar in the North West, where you've had clusters in areas like Rochdale and Blackburn. Apparently it's a combination of large multi-generational households in densely populated areas where some members are in jobs with the highest risk of exposure to coronavirus
Sigh.
They have no chance of having successful “local lockdowns” now anyway. People will just leave the city to go and stay with friends and families in lower risk rural areas, if they can.
And this - the entire West Midland knows this now, so will a virus filled mini population off they go across the country to escape a lockdown. FFS.
Just found part of my local loop closed. It has been pretty busy so I've only been there early or on days with poor weather (and not stopping, just riding through). Its a little pond, but popular with families and wild swimmers. There was often a mountain of rubbish by the bin. Reading the reasons (on another sign I didn't photgraph) I suspect people are using the woods as a toilet too. Shame for some to spoil it for the rest
And other mitigation where 2m isn’t possible.
Mitigation isn't the headline. 2m isn't the headline. Hell, 1m "plus" isn't the headline.
The signal is that social distancing is over... but plausible deniability is maintained... it'll be the fault of the public if they are foolish enough to do what they were signalled to do.
I'd take a genuinely Conservative government over this Cummings one any day... government and governance is in the hands of a sociopath.
I suspect people are using the woods as a toilet too. Shame for some to spoil it for the rest
It is, but it's also a shame that people are encouraged to go out when the facilities needed are not available.
It is, but it’s also a shame that people are encouraged to go out when the facilities needed are not available.
Absolutely agree that the management of the pandemic has been totally shambolic and a big part of the blame for general bad behaviour rests on the government's shoulders. That said in this instance there never have been any facilities anywhere nearby. Normally it is somewhere to go for an hour or two but I think people have been using it as a day out in the absence of being able to go to the beach.
It is, but it’s also a shame that people are encouraged to go out when the facilities needed are not available.
I can go all day without needing a shit. I honestly can't remember the last time I needed to use the facilities (natural or artificial) whilst out on a walk or bike ride.
I know the government stopped comparing the “success” of its response to what has been happening in other countries… but we shouldn’t…
https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1277639980253417472?s=21
5 cases for Scotland today apparently, no deaths in 4 days. I'm not seeing lots of idiots flaunting the rules in scotland and I put this very much down to the messaging from the Scottish government. The contrast between how they have handled it compared to Westminster is stark.
Got to say wee nic has been hugely impressive thoughout this whole episode. I reckon she's done more for the independence cause in last 3 month's than the snp have done in the previous 6 years!
Got to say wee nic has been hugely impressive thoughout this whole episode. I reckon she’s done more for the independence cause in last 3 month’s than the snp have done in the previous 6 years!
If she achieved independence from a Cummings led England, I'd try and emigrate. Dumfries and Galloway appeals
I can go all day without needing a shit. I honestly can’t remember the last time I needed to use the facilities (natural or artificial) whilst out on a walk or bike ride.
Lucky you, don't judge others' needs by your own. I was a little irritated to find the public toilets on one of my regualar cycling routes closed due to Covid. They'd turned off the public tap too which when it's over 30°C and there isn't another for over an hour forces walkers/cyclists to knock on doors and make contact with people to beg for water.
They’d turned off the public tap too which when it’s over 30°C and there isn’t another for over an hour forces walkers/cyclists to knock on doors and make contact with people to beg for water.
Or here is an idea. Only go as far as you have water to sustain you. No one is forcing you to go out cycling or walking for huge distances.
If some nugget chapped on my door in the midst of this pandemic asking for water as they had gone out on an adventure and hadn't planned ahead, I'd be very tempted to tell them where to go..
As for switching off water fountains and taps for general usage...not exactly rocket science why they'd do that is it.
Shops and schools closed in Leicester, sounds far too decisive for Boris, more likely local councillors and alike.
The big question is... Will they now close the city limit roads?
As for switching off water fountains and taps for general usage…not exactly rocket science why they’d do that is it.
Do tell. The water isn't a problem and using a tap with aseptic technique isn't rocket science either.
No-one is stopping me going out and cycling or walking huge distances either, not even over the borders.
I was kindly asvised where to go: the cemetry where the tap was still working. So the local authorities are happy to provide water for the dead but not the living. The toilets in the public library are open, in the swimming pool.
There are inconsistencies everywhere in Covid decisions and if you shut toilets where people are used to using them don't expect them to be able to wait until the next one.
the local authorities are happy to provide water for the dead but not the living
The dead don't tend to suffer from coronaviruses.
The pubs in towns bordering Leicester are going to be very busy this coming crazy Saturday
I think the Leicester roads may be rather busy over the next ~12 hours, having announced local local lockdown there, with Hancock having just said "We recommend to people in Leicester, stay at home as much as you can, and we recommend against all but essential travel to, from and within Leicester." Unless of course they are doing the logical thing behind the scenes, without announcing that, they have in fact blocked every road out of the hotspot.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53229371
No-one is stopping me going out and cycling or walking huge distances either, not even over the borders
No one is stopping you bringing the correct amount of water with you either? And if water is not readily available when you are out and about then plan your trip accordingly.
The water isn’t a problem and using a tap with aseptic technique isn’t rocket science either.
It's not..but getting people to adhere to it probably is. You only need 1 clown to stick his mouth round the tap and you have an issue. It's surely not up for debate that leaving public water taps off is probably a sensible measure??
Just how are people supposed to know toilets are close and taps not working and plan according? That's why people were complaining about shit earlier, because people literally got caught short by an unexpected closure - telepathy?
You only need one clown to so many things to spread the virus but people don't stick their mouths around taps at public tolets, they just don't, people here are civilised, I assume they are where you live too.
There are plenty of potential vectors out there, cashpoint machines, lift buttons, traffic light buttons, supermarket trolleys, door handles, library books and videos, goods in shops, petrol pump pistols - just to mention a few I've been aware of whilst "protecting myslef and others"... why discriminate against a tap which provides the most vital thing to human life?
Just how are people supposed to know toilets are close and taps not working and plan according
In the UK you'd need to be pretty unaware to not realise that public toilets aren't open. They've been closed uk wide for months..
people don’t stick their mouths around taps at public tolets
I have no idea if they do or not i wouldn't consider drinking out a tap from a public toilet regardless of the situation, but it's not too much of a stretch to think if you really needed a drink and didn't have a cup you'd just drink directly from tap.
Either way, I stand by my point, if you run out of water you are badly organised.
Just how are people supposed to know toilets are close and taps not working and plan according?
Just taking a wild punt here, but how about checking the local district council website. The local one to me has regular updates. Crazy idea I know, but why not give it a whirl.
There's actually an app for it
My mum has bladder problems & it's been a big issue for her, but public toilets have been a problem for years
If this 'potential' becomes reality, we'll be prepared - won't we?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53218704
I live what looks like being 5 or 6 miles outside where I think the line will be drawn around Leicester.
All the rural and satellite town pubs are planning to open on 4th July. Does anyone want to have a guess what is going to happen next?
Unless there are police on every road out if the city it isn't going to work. Sure, restaurants could cancel all bookings with a Leicester dial code on the contact numbers, but most people leave a mobile number nowadays. They could ring all their bookings with a mobile number, but what % will just lie?
Remember back in the halcyon days of Feb when a handful of cases countrywide were being tracked? Can't do that now, so we are relying on the 'great' british public are we? Welcome to second spike Britain everyone.
Was wondering how this would work. I live on the outskirts of Derby (about 100m outside the City Boundary in terms of councils) which would be where I would imagine the line would be drawn if Derby were to see a spike. So I can move freely but people 100m away wouldn't be able to.
It is the only way to deal with hotspots. Which is why you need fast accurate reporting of where the issues are, so you can lock down as small an area as possible as quickly as possible.
I don't see how the police have the resources to control it, especially a city the size of Leicester. I suspect it will need more boots on the ground from the Forces. Other countries have had to do that.
Fair play to Piers Morgan again this morning, appealing to the people of Leicester to do the right thing, follow the instructions and stop the virus spreading.
See California and Florida for post Pub news...
Worrying times ahead...
Was wondering how this would work. I live on the outskirts of Derby (about 100m outside the City Boundary in terms of councils) which would be where I would imagine the line would be drawn if Derby were to see a spike. So I can move freely but people 100m away wouldn’t be able to.
It would need a properly resourced police force and a joined up strategy between them, the government and the armed forces.
So no chance, then.
Kryton, you seem to go looking for stuff to worry about at times. The states is a complete bit of a mess, the whole country is too big, too diverse and too entrenched in nonsense to have any kind of methodical approach to this kind of thing.
Better to have a look at the countries around us for examples of progression out of this, yes there will be hotspots, but other countries are managing them too. Scots and NI governments seem to be managing not too badly either.
Scots and NI governments seem to be managing not too badly either.
Only By luck of cases being low when ukgov announced lock down. I don't believe for 1 minute Scotland would have dared to lock down so early relative had the boot been on the other foot.
Only By luck of cases being low when ukgov announced lock down. I don’t believe for 1 minute Scotland would have dared to lock down so early relative had the boot been on the other foot.
We'll never know tbh, I think NS must cast an envious eye towards the likes of NZ, where the boss actually has some proper powers, and can act in the best interests of her nation, without a shower of buffoons diluting the message every day.
You only have to look at the divergance of numbers to see the difference the message has made up here, we were on a similar trend to England at one point...
Indeed trend but our actual numbers were still magnitudes lower than England. That made the odds forever in our favour 😉
But yes . Jacinda Arderne . That's how it's done. Knew we should not have come back from NZ 🙂
Only By luck of cases being low when ukgov announced lock down. I don’t believe for 1 minute Scotland would have dared to lock down so early relative had the boot been on the other foot.
Take the example of Schools… Scotland and NI announced their closures and England followed. There are other examples, including closing building sites. If Scotland and NI hadn’t moved, the UK measures may well have been introduced even later, as Cummings dragged his heals.
Indeed trend but our actual numbers were still magnitudes lower than England. That made the odds forever in our favour
IIRC at the height of this, and for a fair few weeks after, our daily deaths were fairly reflective of Englands, in terms of population, ie not far off 1/10th of their number?.
A thought just occurred to me. This focus on local outbreaks and local lockdowns has a big advantage for Joris.
It is likely to obscure an objective view of what such upsurges mean in a national sense (I.e. a clear second spike when viewed nationally). Blaming individual areas or cities takes the heat off of the incompetents at the top.
And there is already a nasty racial element being brought into 'conversation' around Leicester as a city being first into 'naughty boy' lockdown.