12 more cases just confirmed in England..
I suspect well have a few hundred more in next 48 hrs and it'll grow exponentially from there.
"Given the exponential transmission rate there ain’t no stopping this."
Except it's not exponential. If it was there would be millions infected already with deaths in the hundreds of thousands, instead of being a tiny fraction of the usual flu deaths...
Cheesus, you lot are as bad as the daily wail!
The thing of concern seems to be that two cases have no travel or contact history, suggesting it is wider in the community than generally believed
1 currently has no known contact history out of the 12.
First confirmed case in Greater Manchester reported at 14:15. Linked to travel to N. Italy.
I think the OP's thread title will become increasingly ironic over the coming weeks.
12 more cases in U.K. Now. The thing of concern seems to be that two cases have no travel or contact history, suggesting it is wider in the community than generally believed
Of course it is wider. 100's of people in the UK will have it, they just don't know it as 60% of people who have it are not particularly unwell.
So worst case at the moment is that there are 2 confirmed cases who have possibly caught it from someone else in the UK rather than from a known hotspot. Not panicking yet.
A few more cases in Bavaria.... Strangely all around Munich, but not in Munich, fortunately.
Exciting times.
Just been out for coffee and cake with a friend. She's from South Tirol.
Her brother is under official quarantine. He works alongside the one guy who has officially tested positive in the region (colleague was previously in Lombardi).
Her brother has to stay indoors and check in pet telephone every three hours and give his temperature readings.
Crazy.
Drac
It’ll work out quite well. Lots of retired doctors now do locum work as it pays extremely well, they not exactly elderly either.
Practically all the locum Doctors I see within my line of work would not be described as newly retired; vast majority are early thirties ... certainly not the newly retired Doctors the government are referring to. So mixing the locum Doctors with this group and suggesting the governments plan would work quite well is plain daft and ill informed.
Practically all the locum Doctors I see within my line of work would not be described as newly retired; vast majority are early thirties
Yes as I say locum work pays well so you get lots of retired doing it or those with families doing it. It’s like a zero our contract but pays very well they’re not all elderly.
Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission
on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
"For countries with imported cases and/or outbreaks of COVID-19
1. Immediately activate the highest level of national Response Management
protocols to ensure the all-of-government and all-of-society approach needed to
contain COVID-19 with non-pharmaceutical public health measures;
2. Prioritize active, exhaustive case finding and immediate testing and isolation,
painstaking contact tracing and rigorous quarantine of close contacts;
3. Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in
preventing its spread;
4. Immediately expand surveillance to detect COVID-19 transmission chains, by
testing all patients with atypical pneumonias, conducting screening in some
patients with upper respiratory illnesses and/or recent COVID-19 exposure, and
adding testing for the COVID-19 virus to existing surveillance systems (e.g.
systems for influenza-like-illness and SARI); and
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5. Conduct multi-sector scenario planning and simulations for the deployment of
even more stringent measures to interrupt transmission chains as needed (e.g.
the suspension of large-scale gatherings and the closure of schools and
workplaces).
"
I was wondering the other day whether there was an evolutionary social imperative for the younger generation to cough,splutter and infect as many of the older generation as possible.
Take it with a pinch of salt but I was speaking to someone in the trade today and 2021 bike ranges are in danger of not happening, especially ebikes. Already theres a 4 month backlog and theres discussion on whether to delay 2021 bikes to much later or just jump to 2022
And simultaneously both myself and SWMBO develop sore throats and runny noses.
Anyone want to place bets?
I was wondering the other day whether there was an
evolutionarysocial imperative for the younger generation to cough,splutter and infect as many of the older generation as possible.
I see where you're coming from and I here you, but unfortunately the young will suffer disproportionately as usual. The economic impact of this will be potentially more devastating than the effects of the virus. Seeing as we have created a culture where a high percentage of the working population barely make ends meet anyway, people living paycheck to paycheck, zero hours, generation rent etc...when workplaces grind to a halt and businesses faulter how are people already on the financial limit going to pay their bills from self-isolation? They won't. Was speculating earlier that one possibility for that scenario could be that government forced to implement interest free loans for businesses/ individuals affected, to enable people to self isolate for potentially long periods...the economics of this is presumably uncharted but could potentially just be absorbed into the national debt.
Interesting thing if people are paid to be at home but can't do their work from home...what to do to stave off cabin fever. Other than the usual box sets and talking baloney on the internet have worn off, what to do...art? crochet? Or maybe we can be gainfully employed by the government as stay at home social media troll farms, enhancing our new found position alone in the world by manipulating and undermining foreign powers, as has been done to us - the average STW user would be well skilled for this new frontier....
Blimey, entire city lockdowns being held as options for the UK.
Yeah but these will be those unimportant northern cities not the proper southern ones. I mean who would notice if we just built a big fence around Sunderland.
Anyone noticed Iplayer has 12 monkeys available at the moment?
Interesting website for stats on the virus..
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
And simultaneously both myself and SWMBO develop sore throats and runny noses.
Er...you have a cold?
Yes as I say locum work pays well so you get lots of retired doing it
Doing locum work means not retired. If you continue to do any clinical work you have to remain on the medical register, complete revaluation etc. Once it lapses you aren’t going to be able to treat patients, no indemnity etc.
I think you are confusing those who may have left a partnership or substantive post, possibly taken their pension and gone back to work. They ain’t retired.
My partner retired last month. He says he waiting by his bat phone for the call to don his cape and come to the rescue. I suspect he is joking.
I mean who would notice if we just built a big fence around Sunderland.
Well, they might not an improvement
Er…you have a cold?
Nah, it’s defo Coronamersebolacataids
that’s a great link cloudnine. There’s some other funky stuff on there such as
https://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/
Once it lapses you aren’t going to be able to treat patients, no indemnity etc.
Talking to my wife about this (also an NHS consultant) she pointed out that most of her colleagues who’ve retired recently have gone in the last year of a revalidation cycle, then let their registration lapse.
anyone thought of air con,and the risk it poses for the virus breeding, air con on a lot of trains, coaches and planes nowadays as well as cars.
Chap i used to work with was an air con specialist and his advice was soon as the temperature goes colder, turn up heating full in car open all vents and windows, and then put hand through window and turn on car and let it run for 10 mins, to blast all the nasty stuff out of the filters etc, as soon as you put the heater on youre waking up the bacteria that like warm surfaces/filters to live on.
Possibly few will put it down to marketing, or codswallop, but he believed it and so did his customers. Try it and see,Next winter.
Doing locum work means not retired. If you continue to do any clinical work you have to remain on the medical register, complete revaluation etc. Once it lapses you aren’t going to be able to treat patients, no indemnity etc.
Well yes I’m aware that being a registered HCP myself. It’s still retired but keeping registration open by doing enough hours to keep registered. I suspect it’s these and recently retired ones that is what is actually meant, remember we’ve only got the media report on this.
Chap i used to work with was an air con specialist and his advice was soon as the temperature goes colder, turn up heating full in car open all vents and windows, and then put hand through window and turn on car and let it run for 10 mins, to blast all the nasty stuff out of the filters etc, as soon as you put the heater on youre waking up the bacteria that like warm surfaces/filters to live on.
bacteria and viruses aren’t the same thing. Viruses aren’t even strictly speaking alive so they don’t need anything to ‘live’ on
Drac
Well yes I’m aware that being a registered HCP myself. It’s still retired but keeping registration open by doing enough hours to keep registered. I suspect it’s these and recently retired ones that is what is actually meant, remember we’ve only got the media report on this.
My God!! - some people are hard work!!
If Doctors are doing enough hours to keep registered then they are not retired; and government have actually stated its the recently retired doctors and nurses who would be asked to return - what exactly are you finding difficult to understand about that?
I was wondering the other day whether there was an evolutionary social imperative for the younger generation to cough,splutter and infect as many of the older generation as possible.
Was chatting to an actuary about the possible economic benefits of this pandemic on a number of levels. Savings in social care bill and housing supply pressure are obvious. Massive inheritance (and associated tax windfall) also.
I was wondering the other day whether there was an evolutionary social imperative for the younger generation to cough,splutter and infect as many of the older generation as possible.
Was chatting to an actuary about the possible economic benefits of this pandemic on a number of levels. Savings in social care bill and housing supply pressure are obvious. Massive inheritance (and associated tax windfall) also.
Am I the same species as people who think about life in these terms?
Am I the same species as people who think about life in these terms?
You'd hope not right...
raybanwomble
Member
It’s mildly amusing that the demographics most likely to die from this or get shafted by the government are the ones who mostly voted for brexit.
Unfortunately there are certain types of people who post on STW who actually find it mildly amusing that certain people will die as a result of this virus. Hate filled scum bags.
And simultaneously both myself and SWMBO develop sore throats and runny noses.
Meh.
Mrs_oab has aching muscles, headache and had a bad cough for a week. I've a sore throat and a bit muscle ache for a few days.
We've a cold. She has it worse as she has no immune system.
the economics of this is presumably uncharted but could potentially just be absorbed into the national debt.
did you catch the GE result in December
Am I the same species as people who think about life in these terms?
Err, that is their job you know.
My God!! – some people are hard work!!
Indeed they are. The retired GPS I know who do locum, there’s a lot as I’ve worked across small GP areas for 30 years, call themselves retired as they’re only working as they please. Retired does not necessarily mean stopped working altogether.
There’s an economic cost/benefit to pretty much everything. It’s helpful for the people in charge to determine how important it is.
Unfortunately there are certain types of people who post on STW who actually find it mildly amusing that certain people will die as a result of this virus. Hate filled scum bags.
Then they shouldn't have voted in such a way that we only have what - 15 ECMO machines for the whole ****ing country?
You reap what you sow. The flooding, the lack of preparedness for a 1918 style pandemic and the farmers all getting ****ed over by their own beloved Tories is all a result of the "I'm alright Jack" attitude that is prevalent in this country.
“I’m alright Jack” attitude that is prevalent in this country.
& your callousness to other people dying of coronavirus is in no way symptomatic of that attitude?
Unfortunately there are certain types of people who post on STW who actually find it mildly amusing that certain people will die as a result of this virus.
Not when it comes to people who've voted Tory and tax-cuts for years and years and suddenly go all snow-flakey when the NHS has been cut-back so deeply it has zero-resilience to a pandemic which has been on the national security risk register for decades.
Unfortunately I dont think this is something you can prepare for you just try and get through. Personally I think not having any slack in the system is going to hurt us. The problems also likely to arrive from having people moving into new roles or not having the experience (read judgement and wisdom) to deal with new and left field situations. Back to foot and mouth - there were problems at the start because no one had a handle on managing the cleaning contractors.
Shall we at least try not to take chunks out of each other on the politics and voting?
Looks like we've got a case in our neck of the woods now (Ilkley). She sensibly took herself directly into LGI early last week with her flu-like symptoms as well.
I don't want lots of older people, and those with underlying health conditions to die prematurely because of a possible pandemic. My parents tick both boxes.
But I can see that if it happens, then there will be potential knock on effects to pensions, housing, social care etc. Not sure that makes me a monster.
Though there could also be more people left alive with resultant health issues that may mean none of these changes will result in any sort of overall "saving" or "benefit"
If you want to bring people’s voting preferences into this thread then please go elsewhere. The virus doesn’t care how you voted.
Am I the same species as people who think about life in these terms?
Actuaries are brilliant, though perhaps not inclined to sentiment. My favourite one liner, delivered quite unconsciously by a guy advising on social care policy: "the only reason people living longer is such a problem, is interest rates are so low..."
(Not going to kick that to death by explaining.)
