https://twitter.com/weinsteinlaw/status/1233623798273974273?s=21
Phew, thankfully trump seems to have finally stepped up to the office of president and has this virus 🦠 under control , back to normal folks....nothing to see here
Good piece in the Guardian written by someone who had the virus;
Going to be interesting to see what the government emergency measures are. Increasing class sizes doesn't exactly sound sensible - putting more people in a small space would hot house the virus.
Also wondering how long be for viral media contributes to viral spread - just a thought from watching The Last Leg last night and the 'morris dancing' around not shaking hands. I might be miss remembering the advice of Parkie from viz but 'no, xxxk, nothing' might be a better approach. If the advice is your risk is greater within 2m then keep your distance might seem better.
Going to be interesting to see what the government emergency measures are. Increasing class sizes doesn’t exactly sound sensible – putting more people in a small space would hot house the virus.
Got to keep the schools open even if teachers are dropping because as we all know schools are just looking after the kids so that the drone parents can keep working.
"Lots of people in masks with full trolleys and no antibacterial products left"
Brilliant. A masterclass in what not to do.
Go out and mix with a large group of people when you don't have to, wearing a pointless piece of equipment, panic buy and use an anti bacterial hand wash to protect against a viral infection.
Just brilliant.
What use is antibacterial soap?
many bactericides are also virucides even if not advertised as such. And indeed fungicide if you want to cover your bases.
However, these 'kill 99.9% of germs' - are frankly a waste - that's under lab conditions, not a quick wipe over and even if it did, when loads can be easily in the millions or billions, that might reduce it to a few 10's or hundreds of thousands. Add in the replication rate of bacteria.....and in a short time you're back where you were.
If we're being picky, antibacterial soap is probably not even more effective against bacteria than ordinary soap. It's marketing. The mechanical action of washing your hands with soap is what sanitises them, provided you do it properly.
But if the 'antiwhatever' label encourages people to wash their hands more often, and more thoroughly, then that's a good thing.
Got to keep the schools open even if teachers are dropping because as we all know schools are just looking after the kids so that the drone parents can keep working.
Yep, protect the economy. It might just be code for delay the inevitable.
“Lots of people in masks with full trolleys and no antibacterial products left”
Keep it simple is definitely better - bar of soap, bottle of bleach to dilute down.
Probably the thing that is missing is a good hand cream - Norwegian Formula or the like - from experience washing you hands for a required time becomes much more of a chore once you're skin starts getting raw and cracking.
Was intersting to see the news do a bit on how to self isolate when you have multiple people in the house. Looked a very cluttered kitchen to be trying to separate and sort. Next handy tip might be - de clutter, it's going to be a pain dealing with cleaning and separating in clutter.
Food deliveries should work over panic buying but going back to my favourite foot and mouth analogies. The milk tankers going between farms spread the virus in some areas. If it goes to food deliveries are we all going to need to start wiping down the deliveries with disinfectant. Just because you don't know what's happened before it arrives to you.
I've also been wondering how isolation works for people in poorer quality housing. There are often going to be places that suffer from damp and so mould. Potentially there's a double whammy there of creating an environment for chest problems before any virus comes into play. Couple that with people who are on zero hours contracts and so no work no pay means fuel poverty will exacerbate the situation further.
Atleast with mobile phones and a lot of people having location turned on its going to be easy to show exactly where you've been if you catch it. Presents a few worrying big brother issues though.
Brilliant. A masterclass in what not to do.
Go out and mix with a large group of people when you don’t have to, wearing a pointless piece of equipment, panic buy and use an anti bacterial hand wash to protect against a viral infection.
The masks provide a little protection and prevention as they reduce the amount of droplets a person produces when sneezing or coughing, standard masks won’t offer much prolonged protection from airborne viruses though. The sanitiser if 60% or greater based offers very good protection and prevention though.
Still panic buying really doesn’t help anyone though except some people feel better for themselves.
I'm more afraid of mass hysteria than the virus. Humans struggle to tolerate strangers at the best of times. I can imagine mass fighting in the aisles to get the last tin of Bigga peas at this rate.
Still panic buying really doesn’t help anyone though except some people feel better for themselves.
Making sure you have a couple of week's worth of food and essentials tucked away isn't really panicking. Even sensible Yanks agree:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/preparing-for-coronavirus-to-strike-the-u-s/
I’m more afraid of mass hysteria than the virus.
it’s my understanding that alcohol hand wash is effective against viruses, particularly corona virus due to its structure (whereas it’s less effective against e.g. norovirus)use an anti bacterial hand wash to protect against a viral infection.Just brilliant.
There's a difference between anti-bacterial soap and alcohol-based hand sanitiser. The latter is a useful thing to have if you're out and about without access to handwashing facilities.
Personal bugbear - why do toilet doors generally open inwards? You wash your hands and then have to grab a handle which has been fondled by all the dirty buggers who didn't bother washing theirs.
Making sure you have a couple of week’s worth of food and essentials tucked away isn’t really panicking. Even sensible Yanks agree:
Correct it isn’t that’s called a big shop, clearing the shelves for months worth of supplies and products you’d never normally use in large quantities is
it’s my understanding that alcohol hand wash is effective against viruses, particularly corona virus due to its structure (whereas it’s less effective against e.g. norovirus)
Not always no marketing something as alcohol cleanser isn’t as good as ‘Anti-bacterial kills 99% of all germs’ it’s tends to be just a generic name people use.
Still panic buying really doesn’t help anyone though except some people feel better for themselves.
See you are still struggling with this one. It is not panic buying, it is just calm and planned buying. Topping up with slightly more than I normally would over the last few weeks. No panic at all and just front loading the cost of my shopping if nothing happens.
See you are still struggling with this one.
I’m not at all a few weeks worth of produce is normal see above.
@ferrals
Out of interest where were these people shopping wearing masks. I've not seen any.
Correct it isn’t that’s called a big shop,
I think it's unusual because a lot of people operate on a 'just in time' approach to grocery shopping, with a handful of supermarket trips a week rather than stocking up, meal planning, etc.
Shit just got real..
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/02/men-scramble-to-find-a-personality-after-cdc-suggests-shaving-beard-to-stop-coronavirus/
When bog roll supplies run out, use yesterday’s newspapers – many of which are, correctly, described as arse-wipes.
With declining print sales that means many of us will have to resort to wiping with our laptops and phones. Bringing back haunting memories of Nizoral
Given the exponential transmission rate there ain't no stopping this. I more concerned of the dumb f!ck witts out there panic buying and stripping the shelves than dying of it.
Human are unable to stop pollution but Coronavirus can.
Coronavirus: Nasa images show China pollution clear amid slowdown
@jobro - apparently - but this was in swansea centre just after the news broke there was someone with coronavirus here. I've not seen anyone in a mask yet
Can confirm the beneficial aspects of Corona-virus on the environment, usually we get a pleasant 3-4 week window of clean air for Chinese New Year as the factories shut down but Im rather enjoying the extended break.
^^
Interesting what this says about humans I suppose?
The only thing that stops is polluting and killing ourselves in the long term is to be threatened with death in the short term.
Hmm....
We are screwed as a species I think.
So mobilising all those retired doctors and health workers eh? How's that gonna play out - you know from the Government that screwed-over the health service and their pensions: "Excuse me. we'd like you to come back to work and expose yourself to a virus that is particularly fatal to the elderly"...yeah, right
It will be fine, a WHO senior person just stated how Britain always comes together in time of crisis.
I think someone needs to tell her it is not 1942 anymore...
The kinds of people that this applies to though are in my opinion public spirited, helpful, and they probably will answer the call in spite of the way they've been treated and any risk involved.
I've always been of the opinion that solving problems that need expertise, requires people with that expertise to do it. Why don't we quickly train and equip the multitude of politicians, their family members that are being paid to 'run' their offices, their SPADS, their SPADS' advisors, and get them out on the front line swabbing suspected cases and deep cleaning infected areas for little over minimum wage. And meanwhile get all these recently retired doctors and nurses and NHS staff with the required expertise in to run the country through this crisis.
I’m not at all a few weeks worth of produce is normal see above.
But I have more than that, and more importantly have ensured I have a lot of non perishables which I wouldn't normally buy (i.e. lots of tinned products and frozen stuff). Much more than I would normally have.
If I can' get to shops for 4 weeks due a combination of self isolation, shops being shut, deliveries not operating etc,. then 2 weeks of food is not going to cut it.
If nothing happens I just eat all the food and don't have to buy any shopping for 3 weeks.
You see, just a calm bit of planning.
It will be fine, a WHO senior person just stated how Britain always comes together in time of crisis.I think someone needs to tell her it is not 1942 anymore…
To be fair, I’m quite ok with the idea of working from home and then using my van to deliver food/consumables in the event of something serious that does severely affect people being able to get stuff. No idea how I’d go about that mind you. A Coronavirus food bank of some description.
So long as I don’t go to the office my interaction with vulnerable individuals can be limited to almost nothing and my age and health put me in a relatively low risk group.
Can’t say it’d be pleasant, but it’d be better than finding out some retired old dude suffered as a result of fear of exposure.
So mobilising all those retired doctors and health workers eh? How’s that gonna play out – you know from the Government that screwed-over the health service and their pensions: “Excuse me. we’d like you to come back to work and expose yourself to a virus that is particularly fatal to the elderly”…yeah, right
That proposal betrays a certain desperation.
There's only me and my wife. We could take a month or two unpaid at home if needed. The food would be crap but we could probably manage off the food we have in the freezer and non perishables (we tend to buy in bulk and get delivered topping up perishables).
However, my mum would struggle. She lives alone 2 hundred miles away and would be at risk in age terms. There must be millions like her. It's one thing being locked I. Your house on zwift and Netflix but it is t going to be like that for some. It will be scary and challenging. And that's of you are just waiting it out rather than feeling unwell.
I'm also worried about the public at large. There has been a potential case about a mile away from me. Ambulances and hazmat suits spotted. The shit on Facebook is unreal ignorance and panic. That type of behaviour is a real concern.
Doctors will do it. Of the ones I know anyway. They might hate the government but they tend to take the hyppocratic oath seriously and genuinely see their position and skills as a duty.
They might hate the government but they tend to take the hyppocratic oath seriously and genuinely see their position and skills as a duty.
I think you’ll find very few British medical schools actually use the Hyppocratic path or equivalent.
Doctors will do it. Of the ones I know anyway. They might hate the government but they tend to take the hyppocratic oath seriously and genuinely see their position and skills as a duty.
Possibly, but the ‘unwritten contract’ of loyalty to the NHS/state has been severely eroded by the unremitting screwing over of junior doctors over the years, more recently the pension issue where some older Drs have being paying more in tax than they actually earned and the impact on work-life balance of chronic understaffing due to wilful under-training against the population needs. Chickens home to roost etc.
Is now the perfect time to get Covid-19?
If it seems like it's going to become endemic across the world until everyone's got immunity or there's a vaccine (possibly > 1 year away) then either tucking yourself safely away at home for two weeks until it's over or a guarantee of a nice private room and ultra-attentive treatment at a hospital somewhere if needed seems infinitely preferable to waiting until the point where the hospital is replaced by bunkbeds in a football stadium somewhere.
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So mobilising all those retired doctors and health workers eh? How’s that gonna play out – you know from the Government that screwed-over the health service and their pensions: “Excuse me. we’d like you to come back to work and expose yourself to a virus that is particularly fatal to the elderly”…yeah, right
Yes - this seems bonkers. All those retired Doctors and health workers - the ones in the age bracket of increased mortality from this virus - will decide to put themselves, and their similarly aged spouses, at risk by working in the front line of the virus ... just bonkers!
As for panic buying; no sign of it around my local area. The supermarkets all had full shelves of antibacterial soaps/wipes etc, plenty bog rolls, and nobody wearing face masks.
I guess the people panic buying now are the harbinger to the sorts of people who go out and buy 20 pts of milk and 25 loaves of bread when they see threat of snow on the TV.
If you think about places where thousands of people congregrete indoors for extended periods then the whole Ibiza nightclub scene has to be up there
Lots of hot sweaty people raving away for hours with depleted imune systems through drink and drug and lack of sleep, most of whom will have flown there , and taken part in sexual activity ( apparantly ) Perfect breeding ground for virus growth and distribution, then they fly home and share it betweem another 300 people stuck in a metal tube with re-circulated air for 2hrs
win win
S'pose any concert venue ticks alot of boxes as well mind, as do night clubs in general
Blimey, entire city lockdowns being held as options for the UK.
Been isolating as a family since Tuesday now after N Italy ski trip and eldest boy developed cough/cold. It's never gone beyond that symptom wise and neither have the rest of us in the house developed any symptoms at all so probably nothing.
He does have some (in the past) respiratory medical history though so after speaking with 111 the NHS nurses came round, got kitted up and took a sample Wednesday with three day turn around stated. Still awaiting result and going slowly cabin feverish now. We know others that were tested have had results but 111 know nothing re access/delivery of results and I'm not keen to add to what must be an overwhelming amount of incoming contacts at all points for the NHS...but also keen to be able to return to some normality next week. Not least a bike ride with some mates!
erfect breeding ground for virus growth and distribution, then they fly home and share it betweem another 300 people stuck in a metal tube with re-circulated air for 2hrs
Air flow on a plane is top-to-bottom, not lengthways throughout the cabin. The air goes through HEPA filters which will filter out the virus. If your neighbour has it and coughs on you it's a different thing.
So mobilising all those retired doctors and health workers eh? How’s that gonna play out – you know from the Government that screwed-over the health service and their pensions: “Excuse me. we’d like you to come back to work and expose yourself to a virus that is particularly fatal to the elderly”…yeah, right
It’ll work out quite well. Lots of retired doctors now do locum work as it pays extremely well, they not exactly elderly either.
drink and drug and lack of sleep, most of whom will have flown there , and taken part in sexual activity
Not a bad way to go.....
12 more cases in U.K. Now. The thing of concern seems to be that two cases have no travel or contact history, suggesting it is wider in the community than generally believed
