She sensibly took herself directly into LGI early last week with her flu-like symptoms as well.
Not sure if that's meant as irony? What I hear is she did as advised by 111 and was tested in the car park at lgi. This was on return from N Italy.
I think it's fair to point out that a decade of austerity & the NHS suffering it's worst ever staffing crisis & importantly decimating funding for social care, meaning 1000s of hospital beds are blocked, have left the country with absolutely no extra capacity for a pandemic like this.
The government have been incredibly lucky that we have had a mild winter and regular flu hasn't surged the way it can, because bed shortages are dire, urgent cancer operations are regularly cancelled due to staff shortages & lack of intensive care beds. (It effects my job, this year not the worst I've seen for cancelled ops, but only just)
And yes governments can prepare for this sort of thing but fact is, the 20,000 extra civil servants we've hired since summer 2016 & pretty much all of government have been focused on one thing & it's not disease prevention/containment.
Anyways I'm not sure that the government's plan to enlist a dad's army of retired doctors & nurses is anything short of bonkers. Mortality rate is much higher in older people , even those without existing health problems.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30079-5/fulltext
Can't see many ex doctors coming out of retirement for something that's far likelier to kill them than someone younger & healthier.
We're in a dire situation tbh, i wonder if the government still has that stockpile of body bags ?
I saw on twitter (stating BBC R4 source but I am not sure if true) that Matt Hancock had been told not to come to the Cobra meeting today, now I know he's a bit of a tool, but you'd have thoguht as Health Sec it would be worth him being then.
I think they are rubbing their hands that this is a Brexit damage get-out-of-jail-free card.
The actuarial dept at my old place of work was known as Sea World and the actuaries known as The Dolphins
Very intelligent but almost impossible to communicate with.
The virus doesn’t care how you voted.
Maybe not, but those most at risk of dying from it (older people) are most likely to be Tory voters.
And while I hate tories and the people that vote for them I don't want any of them to die (okay some of the cabinet if you twist my arm)
I saw on twitter (stating BBC R4 source but I am not sure if true)
Turns out it wasnt true, just seen picture of him goin into meeting.. of cousehe could just be there to fetch the tea and biscuits gin
A major property event called mipim which is heald in Cannes has been postponed, it is the largest event of the year and thousands of brits go. Major cost (flights & hotels not refunded etc) and some small businessess might not recover. It seems the economic hit will be massive, also talk of the Australian gp being cancelled (chinese has already) so who knows where this will stop.
Mixed bag of emotions today in regards to the Coronavirus.
On one hand Mike Pence has wound up the mighty machine that is the US to combat it, with a Prayer, so that's that sorted then.
On the other, a client I know and trust as a real smart Cookie has ordered up a large batch of Laptops and building processes for remote work. It's seems a large scale outbreak is a 'when not if' thing and even if they don't advise large groups of people to self-isolate, there's been so much talk about schools closing it's likely to be the first thing done when it comes meaning a lot of his staff won't be coming in anyway.
It's obviously coming, possibly already here far more widespread than we realise. Parents are in the at risk group and having stuck my head in the sand when they've offered to go through their wills and prepaid funeral plans with me, I'm suddenly thinking o maybe should at least know where they've hidden the paperwork.
I see the Mail is being hysterically classy with it's headline today🙄
& importantly decimating funding for social care
This is going to be a massive issue. Mrs Daz is a social worker who spends a lot of time in care homes and has had multiple conversation with careworkers who have told her the whole thing will collapse very easily. If they don't go into work due to self-isolation, they don't get paid so there's a very high chance of infections from workers who don't want to lose money. If they do take time off, who's going to look after the residents?
On one hand Mike Pence has wound up the mighty machine that is the US to combat it, with a Prayer, so that’s that sorted then.
The USG appears to be making a total hash of this, and a small ray of sunshine might be that come the election, the US electorate remembers.
I think they are rubbing their hands that this is a Brexit damage get-out-of-jail-free card.
Maybe, maybe not. If they've got any sense they'll use Corona as an excuse to extend the extension while pausing the trade negs.
If.
Most elderly people I know (70 to 90+) seem remarkable unfazed by their impending doom.
But I'm still quite shocked posters on this thread can make massive assumptions about older folk and show apparent glee that they are all going to die.
If anyone who thinks that a decade of austerity, cuts to the NHS, failure to address social care and a hostile environment to immigration are not going to have an impact on the way that the country responds to this then they're living in la-la land as each and every one of those issues lies entirely at the doorstep of a succession of Tory governments.
Unless the plan is to mobilise the 8.5m non-working people to mop the brows of the fever-ridden patients, screen suspected carriers and undertake a deep-clean of any contaminated buildings?
Someone on the news just said people in the UK might be asked to reduce their interaction with others *outside* of going to work and school! That's going to go down well.
Can’t see many ex doctors coming out of retirement for something that’s far likelier to kill them than someone younger & healthier.
doctors in work have noted that if they kill off all the retired NHS staff the NHS pensions fund gets out of a sticky situation
Im cynical enough to believe that Dom Cummings would factor that in to his plans
I'm not exactly following every new news item on this but my impression is since it's the run up to SATS the general idea is to wait until schools become infected then send the kids home to spread the virus to families who then take it to work to spread to a new family to infect a new school.
40% of my daughter's primary school are absent this morning.. all have similar symptoms of sore throat / cough / temperature..
Currently sat on the Eurostar to Lille, email comes in from company, all business travel suspended,use Skype instead. Was looking forwards to going back to Warsaw in a couple of weeks, oh well, will save some money and CO2 I guess.
Maybe the next few months will be the time of realisation for a lot of companies that putting bodies onto expensive planes and trains to go to meetings can actually be avoided in quite a few cases.
I think Corona + climate change combined will be the end of a few airlines, and might completely change human behaviour towards travel.
Corona + climate change
Might be nature's way of keeping us in check.
This is my third week of no work thanks to the virus. Lots of events and exhibitions have either been cancelled or postponed.
I also had a job lined up (that I need for the citizenship), but that's not going to happen this month as the company is also suffering. There's lots of apprehension out there.
Our place (which is normally a paragon of sensible behaviour) had a town hall this morning to discuss it. I opted to attend via Skype. 🙂
of my daughter’s primary school are absent this morning.. all have similar symptoms of sore throat / cough / temperature..
Normal class size of 30+ pupils?
and show apparent glee that they are all going to die
Not seeing any genuine glee, bar a few Tory haterz who I suspect didn't really mean it
We were all issued with hand sanitizer gels and pumps this morning, told to use them every hour and that they can be refilled at the end of the shift. Have noticed a lot of customers are doing the same thing, making delivery drivers use them before entering the building etc.
We've also been told that there will be screening by the end of the week as my colleagues in Swansea have been in contact with the case there, as we tend to share staff at times they're screening all of the South Wales workers. Be interesting to see if anything is found.
My work has also just announced restrictions on international travel.
Anyone travelling internationally needs Senior VP approval or their trip will be cancelled.
Seems sensible to be fair, not sure what difference it will actually make in the longer term though.
of my daughter’s primary school are absent this morning.. all have similar symptoms of sore throat / cough / temperature..
Normal class size of 30+ pupils
With Internet access and a [runny] nose for two weeks off school?
That's not what was said.
Even in the part you quoted it explicitly states they don’t want that to happen
It's just like any sentence starting "I'm not a racist, but......."
It’s just like any sentence starting “I’m not a racist, but…….”
You really shouldn't go around calling people racist.
Do you see what I did there?
So after all the media hype of the U.K. closing down the message from the government is.
Do you see what I did there?
tried to be clever?
Do you see what I did there?
tried to be clever?
No, if they were being clever they'd have simply asked what alternative you propose to the cycle of death and birth.
Anyone else on STW come down with any lurgy recently?
I don't feel like I'm about to die, but I've felt a bit under the weather for a week, so much so I felt it was prudent to abandon my Zwift TT-Tune workplan final week after last Tuesday's session. Felt quite fatigued after last Wed's shift including cycle commuting, only exercise I've done since was a really gentle turbo ride on Fri.
Ordinarily, I would have expected to have done a workout and/or short Zwift races most days since Weds. I've done so little (which is very annoying for a quite rare "long weekend" off work), I've no idea what my body will make of a delivery shift, If I go in tomorrow.
Feels mostly like a head cold, started with very mild sore throat, achey limbs. Chest felt a bit "tight" when I increased my effort for a bit during that Fri ride, today it feels a bit tight just sitting round on pc.
Can't decide whether to do the unusual step of ringing work before they finish today, to see if others in delivery depot have come down with anything and if there's any known link to COVID19. There doesn't seem to be any confirmed cases in Southampton in the media, but some out towards Romsey.
Anyone else on STW come down with any lurgy recently?
I’m currently laid up with the sniffles, I have no temperature so I think I will be ok.
Most large scale health crisis do disproportionately affect the poor, and a lot of the poverty we have in the UK is an unintended consequence of an ageing population with their huge property wealth and triple-locked, non means tested benefits.
But exterminate the poor via a virus & the whole problem goes away. You are, with respect, missing the point slightly. Anticipating positively the eradication of a certain sector of society, for whatever reason, isn’t really a sign of a nice human being.
Anyone else on STW come down with any lurgy recently?
I've had an on-off cold for about a month now. It's definitely not anything else, although I have no doubt that it's already out there, looking at what's happened in Italy. I'm really hoping this cold clears up before I catch this thing though. Think I'll be working from home and avoiding trains as much as possible for the forseeable.
@n0b0dy0ftheg0at I'd ring them. under normal circumstances I'd call you a big jessy but in the present environment I'd make it your employer's decision, especially if you're delivering to other sites.
Oh but, yeah, big girls blouse, get on with it.
Anticipating positively the eradication of a certain sector of society, for whatever reason, isn’t really a sign of a nice human being.
Which is why certain members of our tory government will be modelling that exact scenario.
Im more worried about the new emergency powers that will be brought in over the next few weeks, you can bet your arse that they will have very little to do with control over a viral threat
oldagedpredator
Unfortunately I dont think this is something you can prepare for you...
Tha Australian govt did.
"Australia has secretly hoarded $100million worth of medical supplies in case of a pandemic and the stockpile is now being deployed for the coronavirus.
The federal Health Department's National Medical Stockpile contains 20 million single-use face masks, antibiotics and pallets of hand sanitiser accumulated over a decade.
The stockpile is kept in various top secret strategic locations, the Health Department says on its website." (from Daily Mail Australia 29/2/20)
Anyone else on STW come down with any lurgy recently?
There’s been some nasty colds going around since before Xmas and the seasonal flu but as you’re reading about killer viruses you’re noticing you’ve got a bit of a sniffle.
But wouldn’t it have been so much better if the virus only infected poor people/ the unemployed.
I'd rather it just infected the stupid.
Anyone else on STW come down with any lurgy recently?
Yep for a bit more than a week, head cold, cough, headache, sneezy and snotty though, no temperature.
