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Soooooo, change my sterling currency holdings to Euros based on the 50:50 chance that Boris cops it?
Seriously man, what is wrong with you? Someone is possibly going to die here, and you post something like that.
I'd imagine Rees Mogg and plenty of Boris's buddies are asking similar questions right now.
I hope he pulls through a genuinely changed man with a bit more humanity about him.
I’d imagine Rees Mogg and plenty of Boris’s buddies are asking similar questions right now.
This.
Pretty shocking news, wishing him the best. Can't imagine the distress his partner is in.
The press statements just seem bizarre, obviously downplaying it which is terrible when the events start to make the statements seem ludicrous. Sort of like they all had a cup of tea and decided that a wee trip to the ICU would be a sensible thing to do, just to be ultra cautious. All while Boris is reviewing official docs and running the county via a constant stream of Skype calls and WhatsApp.
I hope he recovers. Someone has to think of the careers of Kuensberg and Peston. At least it’s not the queen, can you imagine what that would be like?
@tomd You didn’t expect anyone in this government to tell the truth did you?
All that I can say is that I wouldn't wish Covid-19 upon Johnson.
I've save any glib comments for another, more appropriate time.
Unfortunately I think the odds of ICU are 50:50 I hope he pulls through
I’d imagine Rees Mogg and plenty of Boris’s buddies are asking similar questions right now.
This.
It is possible to aim for a higher standard of behaviour.
Regardless of what I think of the man and his politics I genuinely hope he pulls through on this one
same here, I loathe his politics but wouldn’t wish this on him or any of the other ......
Wasn't it 50/50 in Italy for those put on ventilators not put in intensive care per see? Or are they the same thing?
Should people stop vaping in public for the duration of this crisis?
Additionally, scientific advisor Tom McLean has recently claimed that "respiratory droplets" contained in clouds created by vape products could actually be spreading the virus.
Speaking to the Glasgow Times, he said: "Blowing vapour out is as good as someone spitting in your face.
"The vapour itself contains respiratory droplets including saliva, mucus and bacteria and when it’s blown out, it travels for a long distance and hangs in the air at head height."
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/health/what-nhs-says-coronavirus-risk-18036260
Wasn’t it 50/50 in Italy for those put on ventilators not put in intensive care per see? Or are they the same thing?
Can someone post a link to this 50:50 stat. My google fu is weak.
Apparently he's not on a ventilator so far, although Raabs shiftiness in the presser earlier abut when he last spoke to Johnson & the suspicious statement from No10 when he went in implied he was iller than was being let on. So not sure if thats true, could be that they are just bbeing extra cautious
Must be a terrible for him & his families. I think hes a grade A shit, but wishing him well.
If he does end up on a ventilator then even if he makes it out will take a long time to recover, we could be stuck with Raab for sometime.
Bye bye swedish matt - no loss there.
One thing I did notice is how easily Hancock lied on Sunday
"I've been speaking to him everyday. I've spoken to him several times today"
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Then Raab today
"last spoke to him on Saturday morning"
Don't tell me either of them didn't know exactly what the state of play was and I can't believe that the PM would not have briefed his deputy, Raab yesterday if he could have,
Raab could have lied today but he didn't. Hancock is a toad.
Buckingham Palace says the Queen has been kept informed of the prime minister’s condition by No 10.
I wonder which version the queen gets ?
Hancock is a habitual liar, hes been caught out so many time lately, he just cant help himself
Unfortunately I think the odds of ICU are 50:50 I hope he pulls through
I’m pretty sure the 50:50 statistic which came out a while ago was misleading. And that the fatality rate in ICU is likely not as bad as that. I do not know what it is thought to be now.
Apologies if this has been posted before, might be useful for someone.
It is possible to aim for a higher standard of behaviour.
It is, but then again, people only learn when they walk in others shoes or see a reflection of themselves and their own behaviour in others and especially their opponents.
You forget that time and time again, throughout history, that populations who have pointed guns at out groups only learnt what it was like when they were bombed to oblivion and made to think about their mistakes down the barrel of a gun.
I think the 50/50 odds are if you end up on a ventilator rather than just in the ICU but I have no idea how accurate that number is.
Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.
That said, it's not like flipping a coin is it? Presumably outcomes also differ according to factors like age and underlying chronic conditions, so in reality his chances may be considerably better than 50/50.
It hasn't half made flagging closet Tories on Facebook easier.
Presumably outcomes also differ according to factors like age and underlying chronic conditions, so in reality his chances may be considerably better than 50/50.
seen some data that suggests 30+ bmi shortens the odds
You forget that time and time again, throughout history, that populations who have pointed guns at out groups only learnt what it was like when they were bombed to oblivion and made to think about their mistakes down the barrel of a gun.
I'd take more water with it.
I was idly reading this before I go to bed, and the phrase 'the standard you walk past is the standard you accept' came to mind.
Boris has a pregnant girlfriend. All this casual chat about 50:50 chances and so on; really? Would you be happy if it was your partner being discussed in this way?
Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people...
Thanks BWD.
Unless I'm miss-reading it 79, died. 696 hadn't died (but might have died later). That aint 50:50 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-intensive-care-uk-patients-50-per-cent-survival-rate
Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.
Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people…
Well said fella.
Prime Minister is a role, not just a title.
Pretty sure Bojo was only ever interested in the latter.
Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people…
Roll out of universal credit, windrush scandel, disability sanctions/testing.....I could go on but I imagine you get the picture.
yeah, all real people
Roll out of universal credit, windrush scandel, disability testing…..I could go on but I imagine you get the picture.
Two wrongs...
was idly reading this before I go to bed, and the phrase ‘the standard you walk past is the standard you accept’ came to mind.
Boris has a pregnant girlfriend. All this casual chat about 50:50 chances and so on; really? Would you be happy if it was your partner being discussed in this way?
Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people…
Sorry if you are a little too sensitive for the current situation. I think everyone who has ‘speculated’ have done it relatively sensitively (apart from that Swedish Matt who thankfully the mods squashed - good move). He is (many?) people’s father and partner but he is also the elected leader of the nation. I’m afraid with that comes more robust speculation of your circumstances.
Not the BBC’s greatest moment just now on 10 o’clock news. Let’s send a journalist into the itu where Covid patients are being treated and then have same man sit in the studio what looked like a lot less than 2m from the newsreader.
Johnson has spent years persuading everyone he's a character he plays in his own one man show.
He's not a friend of a friend or someone I care about. However, what happens to him could shape what happens to the country for years to come. Speculating about his odds of survival is no different to speculating about the odds of a storm hitting land.
But you crack on with your outrage if it makes you feel superior.
That said, it’s not like flipping a coin is it? Presumably outcomes also differ according to factors like age and underlying chronic conditions, so in reality his chances may be considerably better than 50/50.
the report goes into some detail about this
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b
Critical care unit outcomes have been received for 690 patients, of whom 346 patients have died and 344 were discharged alive from critical care
thats out of about 3000 people in ITU as of 28th March
at the moment the majority of people that have entered ITU (2300) with covid are still in there,a long stay in ITU means that your body is going through hell
I got this from a colleague who is working on an ITU ward today
This virus is weird, and we barely understand the immunobiology. I have never seen so many patients deteriorate so rapidly right in front of your eyes. We've had a bad two days on the wards. It truly is a virus that does not discriminate, old, young, medical problems or not, it is an absolute lottery. Please all keep safe, wash your hands and keep away from each other.
"Sorry if you are a little too sensitive for the current situation"
I'm off to work on an ITU tomorrow night, where, when people die, they die without any family members allowed to see them. The casual use of 50:50 when discussing chances is somewhat less than helpful when we are dealing with distressed relatives.
I'm a lot less sensitive than most, having seen a lot more deaths than you or anyone else on here over the years...
But you crack on with your outrage if it makes you feel superior.
I don't think anyone here has said anything interesting enough to provoke outrage. Just a few nobodies trying to get themselves noticed in a little corner of the internet. I'll work myself up to mild disappointment if it helps.
Is that technic ducatimonster linked to legitimate as there is a lot of fake news. I asked this question week or so back but I can’t imagine there are many lung specialists on STW
the report goes into some detail about this
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b
/blockquote>Thanks, that's great detail.
The casual use of 50:50 when discussing chances is somewhat less than helpful when we are dealing with distressed relatives.
Tbf weve been discussing these statistics on here for weeks & Im sure its realer for you than most crikey, but I dont think his relatives will be reading this!
Anyone else Crikey?
Your posts give me confidence and hope tho. Skills, knowledge and good sense just shine through. Thank you
@tails Why don’t you think there are lung specialists on here? It is STW and it’s celebrated hive mind…
It came to me via another forum alas I can’t verify the source as legit, however without sounding like I got similar advice from next doors cat.
My SiL is an oncology nurse transferred to covid 19 duties and that has been her advice to us.
It’s a pity this kind of advice isn’t released officially, all I’ll say is it’s something I’ll take up for now.
A horrible disease, wouldn’t want that for anyone no matter what I thought of them
This. Had a little wobble myself today. It is an awful disease, and we know relatively little about it. I hope he makes a good recovery. And I hope the nation realises that this is not a dose of chickenpox, or a nasty flu. It is a national emergency.
Someone you know will lose someone to this disease. Think about that.
BTW Dame Angela was spot on about calling the peak of the epidemic. We need longer time series data to make that call. We are not even mid-way through the woods. In fact we don't really know how deep the woods are.
It’s a pity this kind of advice isn’t released officially, all I’ll say is it’s something I’ll take up for now.
Should be on tv with the bald bloke (whiting?)