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Work will have to decide whether they want to set me up to WFH for the "essential" part of the job, leave it for our existing home workers to deal with, or make me go into the office
They need feed and checking once a day. I said that it should be a genuine reason and despite other people at the same farm they can be seen without coming into contact with anyone else.
Plainly, animal welfare will be an essential task.
I do and I’m more than happy to do so if it lessens the risk of my family or vulnerable members of society becoming ill.
The original point was more in the spirit of what people what drives people to create convoluted exceptionalism.
Yip, how people can think that is ambiguous I’ll never know..
So I work in a necessary job (key worker) I will go to work. All the construction worker in London for example (filling the tube) are they necessary? I wouldn't think so but some of them/their employers would say they are. I would say that is open to interpretation.
I guess driving the SO to work as an agency carer (she doesn’t drive) will give me a chance to get out of the house. Not surprised it has come to this, the agency sent round a letter to hand to police a week or so back. So a fairly obvious outcome. Now to sort out the turbo trainer.
That about sums it up, non of us really want to be in the locked in the hutch.
I'm not too keen on the sound of that either.
For clarity on a question somebody asked up there: the initially low number of deaths today was because it was using thew figure for Scotland+Wales and England hadn't declared yet
(I'm assuming you mean on the worldometer/uk site - they cite their sources so you can go & check. Often Sky is first with the UK numbers but today's part numbers came from tweets by public health in wales and scotland)
To give a daft example – we’re a student house of ten who all cycle and and members of the same cycle club, can we exercise together?
Well all going out together would actually minimise the chance of interacting with others in comparison with all of you heading out individually. Everyone will think your are being totally irresponsible but you're going to be very visible and actually it's more likely you'll encourage people to give you a wide birth.
Can I go to my shop tomorrow to secure it and remove all the money and perishables?
no farming out the kids to other family members or friends.
That’s been a thing for awhile now.
Should have happened two weeks ago though,
The reason why has been explained a number if times including tonight why they didn’t.
I consider myself lucky in fact privileged I’ll be still be getting paid through out this, I’m pushing my local spending even more than normal. However, I know what challenges I and my staff will face the conversations we’ll be facing with patients and their relatives. I’m actually starting to brick it and trust me I don’t flap.
Look after yourselves, your relatives, neighbours and friends folks. Use the advantages technology gives, talk, laugh and cry with each other.
We will beat the ****er.
Bizarre how the US works.
Individual states need to buy their own medial supplies, end up bidding against each other (and other countries) for available supplies- masks normally at 75 cents each, went up to $4 each, now $7. Trump has signed the order allowing him to use the Defense Production Act, to allow federal control over production and distribution in industries, to make sure stuff gets where it's needed most, but won't use it, saying that government doesn't nationalise business.
Well said Drac.
Well all going out together would actually minimise the chance of interacting with others in comparison with all of you heading out individually. Everyone will think your are being totally irresponsible but you’re going to be very visible and actually it’s more likely you’ll encourage people to give you a wide birth.
It's an interesting answer.
I think I should have given a stunt question warning on that one - it was a totally fabricated situation. Taking the how do the rules apply to me to the most stretched but still vaguely credible point I could come up with.
There were nine other people but I had to re-purpose them as food during my last self isolation. Mainly due to being terrible at preparatory panic buying.
Trying to find some clarity on this. My wife’s horses are kept on a farm a few miles away. She’s worried that going to see them, and care for them all get her in trouble.
Animal welfare is absolutely vital, I can’t see any issues with this at all. My sis-in-law has a couple of horses, plus they have a couple of dogs, so the dogs can get all the exercise they need when at the paddock.
have we a definition of “allowed to leave their home” , ie can you drive to somewhere for your one form of exercise per day ?
No exact definition, but I'm defining it as only running or cycling "from home".
So my ex is with our 7 year old kids, an hours drive away. From the new rules I don’t get to see them whilst this is in force. Small issue if it’s only for a few weeks, and if she can manage with both full time childcare and a full time job. Is this sort of thing an exception that will be announced, or an example of “it doesn’t apply to me because”?
Can I go to my shop tomorrow to secure it and remove all the money and perishables?
Yup, unless you can do it from home in which case you have to do that.
I have a Cycle Workshop (virtually no retail) and service quite a lot of bikes used for commuting (far more than we do leisure bikes), we've been operating a distancing policy and are ramping it up (including keeping the door locked and allowing pre-booked only in), given the amount of people who use us to keep their commuting bike running should we still be open?
I'm fully prepared to close up for as long as required but I'm also mindful of not letting people down who need us, a large portion of the commuters are travelling to fulfilment centres (Amazon etc) and the local supermarkets to work (essential staff), and a suprising amount of doctors.
I'm properly torn between doing the right thing and doing the necessary thing. We were already planning on only having one of us at the workshop at a time anyway and just doing servicing and essential jobs but we are properly concerned with how we should proceed.
Also, is going next door to complain about loud music allowed? If not then can I just let loose and if they come knocking get them arrested? (Erm - asking for a friend).
In France we have forms to fill to give the reasons to go out. If for work you also need a certificate from employer to say you can’t wfh citing all the laws etc…
Police check it. I have been controlled once in 6 days and 1000s of fines have been given.
Wow I haven't seen a policeman yet, but then I've only been out 3 times as there's more than enough to be doing around the house and garden (chômage technique)
I'm not looking forward to doing the weekly shop tomorrow because as well as the grocer and bakery I have to venture to the supermarket. Hopefully there's more stock than last week; down to counting toilet paper by sheets thanks to the people on bog roll diets.
Animal welfare is absolutely vital, I can’t see any issues with this at all. My sis-in-law has a couple of horses, plus they have a couple of dogs, so the dogs can get all the exercise they need when at the paddock.
I think that's a good common sense example of how to comply with the rules.
Less how do I avoid and more how do I ensure I comply.
Well said Drac.
+1
Drac really has been the voice of reason on this topic.
I really dont think brewing is classsed as essential , despite the fact we do supply 3 supermarket chains . All of whom have ordered a fair bit this week, with the Co-Op asking if we can do direct drops rather than send bulk to a huge distribution facility.
I cannot WFH , so will go in tomorrow to shut everything down , close the shop , remove the cash . The stock will still be there for the local yoof to have a go at I suppose , not alot you can do with 300+ cases of beer apart from parking the FLT on the roller shutter door
I will then fill my car with enough booze for a month of forced isolation
I wonder , does going out once a day for exercise = going out once a day for a 4hr bike ride ?
Go out , ride , come back. No need to see anyone if you are selective with your route planning.
Well said Drac.
Seconded
@Markwsf I’m not 100% on this either. Ex and Daughter live 30 mins away. I have to drive around for work regardless (emergency services)
Some clarity about how this applies to co-parenting would have been good.
Does she live in my home, well yes, just not all of the time?
@ocrider.
No shortage here, shops are full of products but empty of people.
I need to go to work, see police every day but only stopped once.
can you drive to somewhere for your one form of exercise per day ?
Is this driving to work? No.
Is this driving to the shop for food? No
Is this driving to a medical appointment? No
Is this driving to a filling station for fuel? No
What do you reckon you should do in the light of the 4 questions above?
Stop looking for an edge/loophole and do what you've been told.
Stay home, no unnecessary travel, no physical social interaction. Its not ****ing hard!
There's conflicting/confusing guidance depending where you look for it.
BBC says "From this evening people must stay at home except for shopping for basic necessities, daily exercise , any medical need and travelling to and from essential work." - my bold
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432
Which, if you are so inclined, could include a couple of cycling loops, a run, swim in the sea etc. no limit
Gov.uk is more precise "One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household."
As a major source of information, the BBC needs to pull it's finger out and be a bit more accurate
can you drive to somewhere for your one form of exercise per day ?
No! FFS! Do your bit so I can do mine.
I wonder , does going out once a day for exercise = going out once a day for a 4hr bike ride ?
Go out , ride , come back. No need to see anyone if you are selective with your route planning.
Surely it's more important that, in the course of your bike ride, you observe social distancing and don't crash yourself to bits rather than getting hung up on how long you're out for?
Meanwhile over in the 'can I ride my bike in the countryside' thread, people are working hard to find reasons why they shouldn't ride a bike even if it is allowed 😉
Supermarket deliveries is obvious, but what about other couriers? People buying stuff online when stuck at home will keep a lot of businesses from going under, and I need to order a 2nd monitor!
I’m pretty sure that home delivery is allowed, couriers have been dropping stuff off when nobody’s home for ages, this is no different; in fact, with people at home they can see the courier, give him/her an ok to leave the parcel, then collect it once he’s left the premises. Put on gloves to open the package, sorted.
There should be no difference between food deliveries and any other items.
does going out once a day for exercise = going out once a day for a 4hr bike ride ?
As long as you are not interacting with anyone else then I don't see the issue with that at all.
If I can only fit in one ride a week due to dog walking taking up my allowance, then it'll be pretty sure to make sure it's as long as possible. I don't think some people realise how important exercise is for some people's mental health. I'm going to be in a pretty dark place by the time we come out of this in 2- 3 months time..at least ill hopefully still be alive however, hence why I fully support the measures introduced.
Can I go to my shop tomorrow to secure it and remove all the money and perishables?
There'll be plenty of shops in the same situation, especially the smaller takeaway ones with food in freezers, float in the till etc.
My LBS has been running a locked-door policy for a week now, pre-booked jobs only, card payment only etc but even he will be in tomorrow: securing stock, emptying the till, clearing out food. He'll be doing it with the shutters down though.
Am getting quite annoyed by this constant assumption from the government that a household is more than one person.
I'm currently not working and live on my own. The guidelines effectively amount to solitary confinement.
I really dont think brewing is classsed as essential
Doesn't matter, you can still travel to work (essential or not) as long as you can't do it from home. Work is an exception:
Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
wardee
I’m currently not working and live on my own. The guidelines effectively amount to solitary confinement.
unfortunately, yes. It's not forever though.
The more people isolate the more lives are saved.
People should have that thought first and foremost in mind before they do anything.
Am getting quite annoyed by this constant assumption from the government that a household is more than one person.
I’m currently not working and live on my own. The guidelines effectively amount to solitary confinement.
They’re not. My youngest brother has been in isolation since being told last week.
Read again what was said about visits.
Stop looking for an edge/loophole and do what you’ve been told.
who's looking for an edge? I don't even own a car, just looking for clarification in what looks unclear in the initial statement.
1. Staying at home
You should only leave the house for one of four reasons:
Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible.
One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.
Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.These four reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
These measures must be followed by everyone. Separate advice is available for individuals or households who are isolating, and for the most vulnerable who need to be shielded.
If you work in a critical sector outlined in this guidance, or your child has been identified as vulnerable, you can continue to take your children to school.
Can I go to my shop tomorrow to secure it and remove all the money and perishables?
Would fall under travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
Just been emailed from work to advise that all of our 30 branches nationwide are suspending all works except from ours as we are carrying out essential reactive maintenance works for the MOD.
I’ve asked if anyone has told the builders merchants and suppliers and sub contractors that we rely on that they need to be open for business too.
No response thus far.
Not sure if this has been done. Made me laugh.
Little but more detail here.
Nearly there, just need to shut down non life supporting business too now. Sports Direct has to be about the least essential businesses I can think of yet will still be open. I don't see how it's more essential than Decathlon Pau which is shut.
Just food, meds and moving essential people around to provide properly essential services.
Nearly there.
"All public gatherings of more than two people will be banned,"
Same flaw the German's have.
I’ve asked if anyone has told the builders merchants and suppliers and sub contractors that we rely on that they need to be open for business too.
No response thus far.
'Hardware' seems to be among the shops / businesses that are allowed to continue trading