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In other news…condescending is up 500% across all forms of social media.
Are you sure of that petal? 😉
jezzep
SubscriberI’m surprised no one has said they have had it? To shock everyone I’m just getting over it, my son has had it already and my wife is getting over it
Have you actually been tested Jez ? Amazing with those minor symptoms
The nicer seaside towns of the country are now thronged with families from West London
Yep, I drove into Richmond/Kingston yesterday to drop food, roads empty, straight back out on M3 which was rammed.
People need to pull together on this.
Nice sentiment. And 90% of us will. Some people will be dicks though, and the state will have to intervene. Our village was smashed up last night. Windows bricked, cars attacked, fire extinguishers let off.
The next steps will, sadly, have to look much like the French have done… army and police on the streets to protect the vulnerable, public services, and supply chains.
I think the government on the whole are handling this very well, maybe a day or two behind where they should be.
Hopefully by mid week there will be lock down powers similar to Spain
Spain went to lockdown too late, the women’s march across the whole country put us in this situation, where the government was too scared to cancel it, against the advice of the eu.
Then people from the Madrid, the epicentre of the virus started going to their seaside homes, spreading it even further. The country needed Madrid to be on lockdown, but once again the president was incompetent.
Our village was smashed up last night. Windows bricked, cars attacked, fire extinguishers let off.
Christ. Where was this?
@baboonz on the other hand at least Pablito wasn't in command, I dread to think how much worse the situation would be if that ****wit was in control!
Our village was smashed up last night. Windows bricked, cars attacked, fire extinguishers let off.
WTF?
Your village has fire extinguishers?
RM.
Cornish supermarkets stripped of Avocado's, Rocket Salad, humous, artisan bread and Chablis
Its like Beruit in here, was one comment from a Padstow newby
Nicely spreading the virus that they have been carrying for a week to the outlying parts of England shire. Contracted on the bus in London by a PR executive who cannot possibly wfh
The Spanish king upset a few people particularly Catalans with a speech yesterday:
Some people banged on suacepans... . Or is there more to it Spanish viewers?
Its interesting to read the discrepancies between the UK 4.6% and Germany 0.3% of those dying with corvid19.
At the moment the UK is adding to the corvid19 fatality list anybody who dies with the virus, unlike Germany who are only recording those dying as a result of the virus.
Anyone have any idea or link to official advise re how long to stay in house after symptoms end? Trying to convince SIL not to visit MIL.
14 days from when symptoms start isn’t it?
7 days from start of symptoms, 14 days for co-habitors.
14 days 7 days??? from the start of symptoms would have you going out when ill surely?
Not sure why this advise would be so hard to find!
Your village has fire extinguishers?
The fire station has/did have.
Not sure why this advise would be so hard to find!
It isn’t.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/
From the page: Do not have visitors to your home, including friends and family.
RM.
Here AA to be fair it’s probably easy for me to find as I try to keep reading for work.
On Friday, the PM was saying he was hoping to see his elderly Mum on Sunday, when the rest of us were strongly encouraging our friends to cancel their plans with theirs. Today he tells people to stay way from their elderly parents.
FFS
What doesn’t he get? We had the advantage of others countries being ahead of us as regards infection, he doesn’t need a crystal ball to give the useful message at the right time, rather than after people will be listening.
from the NHS site:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/
Staying at home can help stop coronavirus spreading
You'll need to stay at home if you have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19) or live with someone who does.Staying at home means you should:
not go to work, school or public areas
not use public transport or taxis
not have visitors, such as friends and family, in your home
not go out to buy food or collect medicine – order them by phone or online, or ask someone else to drop them off at your home
You can use your garden, if you have one. You can also leave the house to exercise – but stay at least 2 metres away from other people.Information:
If you're not sure if you need to stay at home
If you have symptoms of coronavirus (a high temperature or a new, continuous cough), use the 111 coronavirus service to find out what to do.How long to stay at home
If you have symptoms
If you have symptoms of coronavirus, you'll need to stay at home for 7 days.After 7 days:
if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to stay at home
if you still have a high temperature, stay at home until your temperature returns to normal
You do not need to stay at home if you just have a cough after 7 days. A cough can last for several weeks after the infection has gone.If you live with someone who has symptoms
If you live with someone who has symptoms, you'll need to stay at home for 14 days from the day their symptoms started. This is because it can take 14 days for symptoms to appear.If more than 1 person at home has symptoms, stay at home for 14 days from the day the first person started having symptoms.
If you get symptoms, stay at home for 7 days from when your symptoms start, even if it means you're at home for longer than 14 days.
If you do not get symptoms, you can stop staying at home after 14 days.
So sounds like it's saying fine to go to shops once your temp has definitely dropped. (I'd play it safe on this. No idea if I've got it, I've had some bug for about a week, felt a bit better yesterday, bit worse today, so I'm leaving it for a few days before I go near shops. But from the above, going out to exercise in the open air is counted as staying at home, I see to my surprise.)
Could you provide a link for that, Mooman? The Germans aren't testing people who are found dead who may have died from CV but I haven't seen anything to say they aren't including people who would have died anyhow but had the virus. That's very different.
There are better explanations of the German discrepancy. A younger population infected than elsewhere (as a result of picking up the virus whilst on ski holidays), the hospitals are not yet saturated as they were better prepared having heeded Italy's warning.
I think your advice is hard to find because it's asking how long a piece of string is A-A.
This woman was still positive/quaranteened on 18/3/2020 having picked up the virus in Italy before the 23/2/2020 (Edited as one of the dates in the article is a month out)
Its interesting to read the discrepancies between the UK 4.6% and Germany 0.3% of those dying with corvid19.
At the moment the UK is adding to the corvid19 fatality list anybody who dies with the virus, unlike Germany who are only recording those dying as a result of the virus.
Don’t tell me crows can get it too......
The Spanish king upset a few people particularly Catalans with a speech yesterday:
Some people banged on suacepans… . Or is there more to it Spanish viewers?
We get applause from the balconies at 8pm for the Osakidetza (NHS) and banging of pans at 9. The pans originally started to demonstrate solidarity with Catalunya during their elections, so I assumed it was in protest of Phil's unity speech although I haven't read as much.
Somewhat embarrassingly the night the applause started, I was on the turbo with headphones on. I could see the elderly couple across the street clapping, so I gave them the thumbs up thinking they were cheering me on. Felt a right tit when they were out clapping the next night.
Not too sure about that image of perchy's
Even if Mum and child1 have had coronavirus (they won't have been tested so we can't be sure) and are now immune (second "if"), child 2, unless they've had it but been totally asymptomatic and are now immune, is still infectable. Why would they not re-isolate ??
(Oh, and 😁 at bobsummers)
To echo Kelvin’s sentiment above, this virus just picking on the old or vulnerable, I know for a fact that fit young healthy people are currently in uk hospital beds intubate fighting for their lives.
Here their are no fancy crems being sorted, just rows of freezer container lorries to store bodies.
Some people need to start taking note, including people on this forum
Not a huge sample, I know, but a bloke I used to play cricket with (he was our overseas pro) has posted pics from outside his house in Ahmedabad where there is a curfew in place. There is not a soul in sight. He is getting shredded for ‘being out and about taking photos’ when he has taken them from his house.
Seems ‘us’ magnificent Brits might actually be able to learn a thing or two from other places in the world. Places our tub-thumping tosspot brigade habitually look down their noses at.
Thanks Drac
If you have been symptomatic, then you may end your self-isolation after 7 days. The 7-day period starts from the day when you first became ill
So the SIL has been symptomatic for more than a week but is safe to go out if still symptomatic, that sounds plain stupid to me. A cough can persist for a while but I'm talking still lethargic and achey.... not sure about temperature.
I think your advice is hard to find because it’s asking how long a piece of string is A-A.
I know that and you know that but my symptomatic SIL wants to go and see MIL as she thinks she's depressed and wont listen to any reason.
Anyone wearing PPE to go to the shops now?
Ive got some 3M FFP3 masks, enduro goggles and disposable gloves..
I see people staring at me and think WTF.. but.. surely its best to protect yourself?
It's about when you are contagious. As I understand it once you start with symptoms you are producing antibodies, which means you are starting to stop shedding the virus. On average most people aren't contagious on day 8 of mild symptoms.
Edit: The graphic that is.
he was hoping to see his elderly Mum on Sunday
Maybe he was going to Skype her?
Frau Merkel has just been on tightening up German restrictions. I was pleased to see the abstand (distance) between people is now 1.5m minimum and preferably 2m.
Edit: at the very end of the question session she added that going from 1m to 1.5m makes a giant difference.
Ive got some 3M FFP3 masks, enduro goggles and disposable gloves..
That’s more than some NHS trusts have as stocks were bought up and still are by the public.
Maybe he was going to Skype her?
Maybe so. Maybe he should have given a clear and timely message to the public. He’s not just an incoherent journalist now, what he says really matters.
On Friday, the PM was saying he was hoping to see his elderly Mum on Sunday, when the rest of us were strongly encouraging our friends to cancel their plans with theirs. Today he tells people to stay way from their elderly parents.
The man is a buffoon but I watched the press conference where he said that and it struck me as a slip of the tongue. Not ideal but I can think of bigger things to get outraged about.
Not too sure about that image of perchy’s
There are plenty of people in Italy on ventilators for 23 days straight and the medical staff seem to still be treating them as contagious.
Its nearly time for Boris's daily rabbit in the headlights performance, where he babbles incoherent, contradictory nonsense for 5 minutes before quickly hiding behind someone who looks like they might know what they're on then runs off to hide under his bed for another 24 hours.
Somethign to look forward too, eh?
There are plenty of people in Italy on ventilators for 23 days straight and the medical staff seem to still be treating them as contagious
If you are in hospital on a ventilator then it is fair to say you are not self isolating anymore, so the 7 day rule probably doesn't apply in that situation.
Flaperon
MemberThe man is a buffoon but I watched the press conference where he said that and it struck me as a slip of the tongue. Not ideal but I can think of bigger things to get outraged about.
I think it's all part of the bigger problem of communication, mixed messages, contradictions and trustworthiness. It's not just a one-off
Genuine question, prob Drac will know the answer
If you contract the virus, how long does it take before you become a spreader?
For example. You pick something up that has been touched by another infected person who sneezed into their hand and did nothing. You then pick up a 1micron droplet of snot with a load of live bugs dancing around looking for some action.
By mistake you rub your eyes and hey presto the virus finds a new host to play with.
I guess it must take 48 to 72hrs for the virus count to grow and spread through the body and that person to brcome a cpntagious potential shredder, or is it a week, 10 days, is it possible to be emitting live viruses for a week plus before your own body detects tnhousands of unwanted guests and starts the anti body response?
Is this why the new cv19 is so dangerous, loads of hosts unwittingly distributing live spores for a week ish before the sore throat, fever, aches, coughing tells the host they are in for a rough ride and they have passsd it on to 100 othets in the meantime
Maybe i have missed this on the news but i do try and concentrate on the svience bit
is it possible to be emitting live viruses for a week plus before your own body detects tnhousands of unwanted guests and starts the anti body response?
Pretty much.
Incubation 5 days, symptoms within 11.5 days.
I’ve retitled the thread as we don’t need conspiracies anymore.
If you can still read this the government made me chan…
No wonder I couldn't find it and there's next weeks creative outlet gone.
Oh well, back to pandemic pottering round the habitation. Although I have been productive - went up the local hill; socially distanced some friends; came back over my side of the hill; sent a photo of flowers - because you do; used alcohol gel before and after using the only gate catch on the walk - every day a new thing.