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Poly - as I remember the snp list vote is around 5% lower than their constituency vote - so it looks as if that 5% go to greens. Perhaps simplistic. Its clear from the folk I know and what I see on social media that second vote green for independence is a strong tendency
You are right in that some just tick both boxes the same but its also clear that a significant % do understand the system
Lib dem, tory and labour voters tick both boxes as they need list votes to get MSPs. Most snp do the same. You are right in that Salmond is going after the SNP voters who understand the system and who currently vote green
Wiki has good date on the voting %
You vote for a party, which lists the names. If one of those names dies/resigns as an MP the next name is automatically appointed
No you don't and no they don't. If you voted for a party then a change of allegiance would trigger a by-election.
A by-election is held when a seat becomes vacant. This can happen when an MP:
resigns or dies
is declared bankrupt
is unable to carry out their duties due to mental illness
is convicted of a serious criminal offence.A by-election does not have to take place if an MP changes political party.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-elections/
The only instance that you voted for a party and not a candidate was the Closed Party System used for electing MEPs.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/voting-systems/
@tjagain is entirely correct.
Thats the full list of candiatedes out
it includes this diddy
Ms Ahmed-Sheikh
In 2019, she was fined £3,000 after being found guilty of professional misconduct during her time as a partner at a law firm by a tribunal.
Ms Ahmed-Sheik stood for the Scottish Tories at the 1999 Holyrood election.
So a ex snp party hopping tory with a history of professional misconduct. she will fit right in
it really is a rag tag bunch
Just for fun I'll predict 6 seats for Alba. I think he will get enough transfers from the Greens and SNP for a few seats. Might miss out in South Scotland where I think the SNP already get, from memory, two list seats.
On the previous question of Venn diagram nationalist and DM reader overlap, do you honestly believe there is no right wing interest in independence? Right now the options are left(ish) and far left green, he's just exploiting a gap in the market. Niche for sure but that's the advantage of running list. I wouldn't put money on them not getting seats, I don't think the Greens are as popular as people would like to believe.
And since when did having a rag tag bunch stop anybody? Works well elsewhere...
Unfortunately I think Alba will do far better than those on this forum expect.
So a ex snp party hopping tory with a history of professional misconduct. she will fit right in
it really is a rag tag bunch
Looking at the recent exits from the SNP for various sexual or financial or covid idiocy (suspension still in force) you'd argue the selection was similar to people already in office
My bet is they cost the greens more seats than alba gains
Greens have 5 right now and predicted to get 9 before the intervention of Alba. MY prediction is 3 or 4 alba all at the expense of the greens
I am seeing very little support for Alba on social media and the rag tag bunch of failed SNP politicians, sexual predators and racists are not really attractive.
On the previous question of Venn diagram nationalist and DM reader overlap, do you honestly believe there is no right wing interest in independence?
not really no. I do not rthink there is a gap for a pro independence right wing party and anyway ALBA is promising to be more progressive than the SNP
I think the quality of the candidates shows a lot - its a bunch of political chancers and entryists with no agenda apart from " gies a job"
Did anyone hear him on Radio 4 this morning? Not comfortable listening, he really is an arrogant, sleazy old man. Totally unrepentant and refused to engage in any challenge to his behaviour.
He was asked why his defence QC described him as a sex pest, he denied that happened and accused the BBC of dodgy reporting. The sex pest comment was recorded and is on tape!
he really is an arrogant, sleazy old man
Yep. All that.
I am seeing very little support for Alba on social media and the rag tag bunch of failed SNP politicians, sexual predators and racists are not really attractive.
The calculation will be that the people who will vote for him aren't really on social media as they will be older and remember Salmond in his pomp(osity)
I think the quality of the candidates shows a lot – its a bunch of political chancers and entryists with no agenda apart from ” gies a job”
Something all parties seem to suffer from including the SNP
I've heard a few folk saying they'll vote for Alba in the list.
They seem to be looking at it as a way to get a move more towards independence. Some folks like Salmond, others are willing to hold their nose to get independence done "play the ball, not the man" etc
tjagain
Full Member
My bet is they cost the greens more seats than alba gainsGreens have 5 right now and predicted to get 9 before the intervention of Alba. MY prediction is 3 or 4 alba all at the expense of the greens
I am seeing very little support for Alba on social media and the rag tag bunch of failed SNP politicians, sexual predators and racists are not really attractive.
I'm not really sure those voting for the greens are going to suddenly become right wing and switch to Alba, but i do think a fair few SNP voters would.
The reality is that the SNP now have competition for the independent vote, and with a more right of centre Alba party, you can see a fair few shifting over, which might help other parties more in marginal areas.
tjagain
Full MemberI am seeing very little support for Alba on social media
Then you're looking in the wrong places. There was an article from that fine publication the P&J and I was shocked to see the amount of folk willing to vote for them in the comments. I had to scroll on past... Facebook will only feed you views that you tend to agree with.
Something all parties seem to suffer from including the SNP
finally BnD says something I can agree with! All sorts of people have ended up as MSP/MPs who never actually expected to win, and who's party never expected them to win.
A former colleague to a month off to stand/campaign for Plaid Cymru a few years ago - I had a frank discussion with him about what would happen if he won (he'd have made a horrendous MP) and it was unthinkable to him that by standing he might actually get elected. Must have been a few SNP candidates like that in the landslides.
I am also seeing a real mixed bag on social media plenty of support for ALBA some of which does not equate with unequivocal support for Alex Salmond. Also some people supporting both votes SNP but not happy with internal party democracy. For me I am not a follower of Alex or Nicola I am an independence supporter first and foremost. An SNP member secondto that by a long way. The important thing in this election is to maximise the vote share for the SNP and all indy parties, at hopefully above 50% and therefore win more seats that is looking more tricky than ever at this point.
not really no. I do not rthink there is a gap for a pro independence right wing party and anyway ALBA is promising to be more progressive than the SNP
Then you're rather naive I'm afraid. There is probably a(n admittedly) small core of conservative and lib voters as well as the mentioned SNP set that would vote that way. When you see some of the eejits the Greens allow to stand it's not hard to dismiss them as sub-par community councillors trying to play with the big boys (in my case the prospective wasn't even on the council, just an ignorant loudmouth). I'm not suggesting this lot are much better but at least have parliamentary and real world experience behind them.
I’m not really sure those voting for the greens are going to suddenly become right wing and switch to Alba, but i do think a fair few SNP voters would.
Depends on what their motivation is, are they voting for the Greens or just voting tactically? If Alba is more aligned with their compass then why wouldn't they shift?
They’re playing the same trick that Worked for Trump and Boris and Brexit. A 3 word slogan that glosses over any actual policy content and appeals to the people who don’t give a shit about politics.
Drain the Swamp
Make America Great Again
Get Brexit Done
Supermajority for Independence
It’ll work. No doubt.
Then you’re looking in the wrong places. There was an article from that fine publication the P&J and I was shocked to see the amount of folk willing to vote for them in the comments. I had to scroll on past… Facebook will only feed you views that you tend to agree with.
I looked for 3 separate pro independence pages that I do not normally see. One was promoting Alba 2 were neutral- all had around the same ratio - 10:1 in the comments against Salmond
My parents are a bit conservative though dislike Tory party. Voted Brexit and want Scottish independence but not EU membership.
There's no party for them. They think SNP are too leftwing...
They might go for Alba?
swavis
Full MemberFacebook will only feed you views that you tend to agree with.
Not quite. Facebook feeds you views that you interact with. I get sent just about every paid-for anti-SNP hack job from inexplicable little groups that somehow have money to pay for facebook ads, "Yes I am totally an independent journalist paying my own money to put out political ads, why do you ask?" because I tend to respond, and so Facebook's algorithms feed me more.
I just had a look at Salmonds facebook page. Obviously more supporters on there but he is still getting pelters and his supporters are the minority even there ( from a quick glance)
the only pro independence page i see a majority supporting Salmond and Alba is Wings over Scotland - and that is because he blocks anyone who dissents and who supports Sturgeon
Facebook feeds you views that you interact with.
'cos I am friends with Northwind I then also get these same pages on my feed when he comments - and also all Douglas Ross page for the same reasons .
They’re playing the same trick that Worked for Trump and Boris and Brexit. A 3 word slogan that glosses over any actual policy content and appeals to the people who don’t give a shit about politics.
Drain the Swamp
Make America Great Again
Get Brexit Done
Supermajority for IndependenceIt’ll work. No doubt.
Every single word of that^^
You think that people would learn, but they won't.
A bigger bunch of absolute roasters would be hard to find, don’t be surprised if they have Fahrage as a guest speaker.
Not quite. Facebook feeds you views that you interact with.
Yes, you are correct. I think I don't see it as I don't tend to interact with them and have pretty much unfollowed all the political pages that I once did. Life is too negative with all that nonsense.
Moar bikepacking, campervan, music and beer in the sunset posts for me from now on 😎
Alba polling at 3% so far, probably rise, but that's not enough to get any seats
just enough to stop greens assuming ( as I think will happen) they take votes from green as IMO a lot of the green vote is a tactical pro independence vote
A bigger bunch of absolute roasters would be hard to find, don’t be surprised if they have Fahrage as a guest speaker.
Having Farage speak up for Scexit might be part of a complex and nuanced strategy, arguably the same if he speaks up for the Union, the negative association that he brings could play either way
Did anyone hear him on Radio 4 this morning? Not comfortable listening, he really is an arrogant, sleazy old man. Totally unrepentant and refused to engage in any challenge to his behaviour.
You're expecting decent, moral behaviour? Where have you been for the last 10 years? You have spotted who the prime minister is?
Alba polling at 3% so far, probably rise, but that’s not enough to get any seats
The threat, however small it is currently perceived to be, may be enough to force other political party's to change direction or change completely...its not like we haven't seen a party start from nothing in 1992 and by 2016 force a mainstream party to react, then to take over the mainstream party in 2019.
tjagain
Full Memberjust enough to stop greens assuming ( as I think will happen) they take votes from green as IMO a lot of the green vote is a tactical pro independence vote
Aye, does seem like they'll face the most threat in terms of change of seats/power. They deserve better
Not looking good for him
first poll including alba has them winning no seats, net approval rating -61! and that is after all the publicity he has had for free the last couple of weeks
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/03/alex-salmond-alba-party-prospects-holyrood
He was asked why his defence QC described him as a sex pest, he denied that happened and accused the BBC of dodgy reporting. The sex pest comment was recorded and is on tape!
Got a link? The only quote I remember was his QC on the train describing him as an "arsehole" and "objectionable bully" but seems to be saying not sexual.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5438216/alex-salmond-gordon-jackson-video/
Whether people will vote for someone whose own lawyer thinks is a bullying arsehole is another question
Are you prepared to condemn his admitted behaviour yet scotroutes?
first poll including alba has them winning no seats
he is actually making a pro independence majority harder to get.
If, as seems to be the case, Salmond is positioning himself as the Caledonian version of Farage, what's the Scottish culinary equivalent of gammon?
Are you prepared to condemn his admitted behaviour yet scotroutes?
If, as seems to be the case, Salmond is positioning himself as the Caledonian version of Farage, what’s the Scottish culinary equivalent of gammon?
Deep fried pizza?
culinary equivalent of gammon?
Red pudding
Red pudding
What a load of baloney.
Smoked Salmond obvs