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I'm worried about elfin finding this thread. Its a haven so far from his awesome GCSE Sociology debating skills.
Well, TBH hora he's probably been a lot closer to the rioting recently than you have.
Demographic is CRYSTAL clear. Civil war perhaps? It's been done before. I'm really pissed off. Realist not racist. And the "parents" of those involved don't give a flying **** where their shit kids are. I despair.
Rhyl. cross fingers.
Probably been said already, but where is John Smeaton when you need him? He'd put a stop to all this rioting nonsense.
Derek, have you been drinking?
Majority of the kids looting in Manchester city centre & Salford Precinct are white, according to the pictures on the telly.
And again, where were you attacked?
And again, where were you attacked?
Near a greggs?
What tyres for looting? I'm guessing something fast rolling with a bit of puncture protection. Nobby Nic snakeskin?
I have this nasty suspicion that - when it's all died down in Manchester and arrests have been made - we're going to find that the majority of the 'rioters' (opportunistic thieving prats)will turn out to be nice, middle-class kids living out their Grand Theft Auto fantasies...
Yossarian - i am 48lbs lighter than when you last "saw" me. So FOT.
these should be on general issue for public order incidents
http://www.****/news/article-1262215/Super-Taser-shotgun-bullet-assessed-Home-Office.html
after you've been zapped a couple of times you'll not be resisting arrest
derek_starship - MemberI'm really pissed off.
Oh come on mate, lighten up.......everyone else is enjoying seeing their town get looted and trashed.
muddydwarf - Member
I have this nasty suspicion that - when it's all died down in Manchester and arrests have been made - we're going to find that the majority of the 'rioters' (opportunistic thieving prats)will turn out to be nice, middle-class kids living out their Grand Theft Auto fantasies...
Michael Mansfield and David Spens will be busy then
Trouble in bletchley guess I'm in for a busy day tomorrow! Trouble in scummy Oxford ...Barton, Blackbird Leys ... all the nice estates!
ac505 - Member
Probably been said already, but where is John Smeaton when you need him? He'd put a stop to all this rioting nonsense.
True. Where else would you find someone prepared to beat the shit out of a man on fire?!?
Hmmm. One of my posts is missing.
where is John Smeaton when you need him? He'd put a stop to all this rioting nonsense.
Funny you should say that, but you'll notice there's no trouble in Glasgow...
Just been threatened by a trio of thugs on Abbeydale Rd Sheffield. Great.
Come on Cameron, get some boots on the f'king ground. Blue OR green!
Sheffield centre is crawling with cops, I suppose that has displaced the idiots.
i realise i secretly don't hate my job when i worry about my place of work.
Damn you rioters.
Sorry about this everyone.
All I did was ask a few of the lads if they fancied going out for a pint.
Bloody predictive text.
West Bromwich Albion's ground has been attacked and the trophy room has been looted.
Police are looking for a man with a blue and white carpet.
(old one's always the best)
Haze - I'm from West Brom. Classic
Anyway there was only 3 shops left open in the town centre to attack anyway.
Next time someone comes up with a c*ck idea such as the £54 arts centre they built in West Bromwich, maybe they will realise it's just a waste of money for areas that never appreciate it.
opps. I mean £54m arts centre.
Looks like the fun and games are going to go on all night in town! The scrotes are ransacking the city centre! Playing cat and mouse with the feds. They're targeting the shops in king street. There's nowt political going on here. Just out and out organised robbery. Its just utterly Utterly depressing! I really don't know what this says about our society
Had a lunchtime peroni in that arts centre after a meeting up there. Have to say it did look rather out of place (and empty)
They're targeting the shops in king street......I really don't know what this says about our society
Binners, I think it says that logos really ARE important.
Am I the only person who just feels genuinely saddened by all of this? Sad about the ransacking, theft, burning and destruction, about the people who are scared to either go home or be at home, about the people who have lost everything from either their business or their home, about how we have a section of our society which has been marginalised so much that it has lost any sense of hope / morality / community spirit such that they feel their actions are OK, and about how on earth we can go forward with rebuilding society after this.
And we are all responsible - this is OUR society, we have all contributed to make it what it is in some way or another. Maybe it's time for all of us to reflect on how we need to change.
Overall, just gutted 🙁
Am I the only person who just feels genuinely saddened by all of this?
I doubt it 😕
Sorry - stupid opening comment. Of course I'm not the only one who feels saddened by this, and I'm lucky that I've not been directly affected. It's just after a night of news updates and talking to various friends in Manchester and London, I feel utterly pessimistic.
Actually I feel quite positive. It could just be the wake up call that was needed. Pleased to see different communities in London looking after themselves. If they did that all year round imagine the difference.....
Yes Great to see communities banding together to protect them selves
then what happens when they get confronted by these lawless yobs and a yob gets badly hurt where is the law going to stand then .
Vigilante`s or citizens looking after their own stuff ?
Well I was abit worried about office last night and I had a drive around the centre this morning and apart from Diesel's shop window being covered not much else really. Lots of VERY tired looking Policemen in black marria's though 🙁
Trout, someone was allegedly murdered last night defending their community in brum.
Lots of brooms on the streets this morning, good to see.
pook - not one, THREE
Just had this e-mail from my wife who walked from Victoria to Deansgate (Manchester) this morning.
[i]On my ten minute walk to work I passed 13 boarded up windows/shops. The two mobile phone shops and one of the jewellery shops in St. Anne’s Square had been looted, but windows also smashed in a shoe shop and cake shop, so that’s just mindless violence. Apparently the Post Office and Gregg’s have also been attacked, so quite indiscriminate. I have to walk up to campus for a training course later, so no doubt will witness more devastation. [/i]
Gregg’s have also been attacked
This is getting pasty joke now.
Three? 🙁
Trout, someone was allegedly murdered last night defending their community in brum.
If you're talking about the 2 brothers and their friend who got mowed down, then I am not sure that has been linked to the riots just yet. Obviously, chances are it is:
0537: A murder investigation has been launched after two men were killed and one critically injured in a suspected hit-and-run incident in Birmingham, West Midlands Police said. It is not known if the deaths are linked to overnight rioting in the area.
0625: It is thought the two men killed in an alleged hit-and-run incident in Birmingham had just come out of a mosque and were protecting their neighbourhood. A third man is in a critical condition. Police have arrested a man and recovered a vehicle from the scene. A murder inquiry has been launched.
0650: Jeremy Cooke BBC News, Birmingham A third man has died following the Birmingham road crash incident overnight.
0746: A BBC reporter says crowds around City Hospital in Birmingham are apparently dispersing. During the night they had gathered after three men were hit by a car and died.
Trout, someone was allegedly murdered last night defending their community in brum.
3 vigilantes run down and killed.
What worries me (before I know the facts) is that a bloke is in a car and sees 3 armed (with baseball bats, whatever) people in the street maybe flagging him down (do rioters drive?) and thinks: "shit, I'm being hijacked, I ain't stopping!" and puts his foot down.
3 vigilantes, slightly overstepping their civic duty as they see it, see an unfamiliar car entering a street and decide to flag it down. Driver panics and accellerates.
I got lost in the Alum Rock area of Birmingham in my car once. I felt scared! If anybody had tried to flag me down, I'd have pressed the right hand pedal, not the large left hand one (automatic car, in case you were wondering)
Jesus
What worries me (before I know the facts) is that a bloke is in a car and sees 3 armed (with baseball bats, whatever) people in the street maybe flagging him down (do rioters drive?) and thinks: "shit, I'm being hijacked, I ain't stopping!" and puts his foot down.3 vigilantes, slightly overstepping their civic duty as they see it, see an unfamiliar car entering a street and decide to flag it down. Driver panics and accellerates.
What's that got to do with what happened in Brum? The only bit of that that is correct is "(before I know the facts)".
What's that got to do with what happened in Brum? The only bit of that that is correct is "(before I know the facts)"
I was hypothesizing... I'm worried about people taking to the streets to 'protect their property' because they see the police as ineffective. I read that the EDL is taking to the streets - VERY worrying! This incident obviously has some relation to the rioting. 3 citizens were concerned so after prayers they 'took to the streets' to protect their neighbourhood. They got run over. If the rioting had not taken place, they would have been at home with their families.
I added 'before I know the facts' to indicate that what I was about to say was merely conjecture.
I'm worried about vigilantism, we need effective policing or more of this stuff will happen.
I found this:
"We got a call that there had been a car that had been set alight and a group of youths had moved further up the road. They put the fire out but there were still yobs on the street - they had no agenda other than simple stealing."Several cars then drove past the group which was guarding local stores, and the occupants shouted abuse before one vehicle returned and mounted the pavement at "tremendous speed" and hit the men, throwing them into the air. According to witnesses, the car, containing up to four men, then sped off.
I'll say no more until the truth comes out...
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/10/uk-riots-birmingham-asians-killed-car ]Guardian article[/url]
It illustrates all my concerns perfectly, read it through. This has the potential to escalate BADLY unless order is restored somehow!
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-fighting-neighbourhoods ]and this one[/url]
Further anecdotal evidence also suggested that in other cities hit by Monday night's violence, communities were also remaining vigilant. On Amazon sales of baseball bats and truncheons rocketed overnight. Sales of one aluminium bat increased 65-fold in a day, albeit from low initial sales, while a truncheon jumped from a sales rank of 5,973 to 136.