[Closed] What's so good about Apple stuff?

I'm just wondering what you get for the considerable extra dosh that Apple stuff costs.

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A massive sense of superiority. It's a like owning Macan.

😀

We have always found, longer last battery, just works, no slowing down as it gets older, I've never had an Apple device crash.

We get educational a fair discount which helps.

I'm just wondering what you get for the considerable extra dosh that Apple stuff costs.

The inability to admit that lots of other devices are as good if not better than your own 🙂

no slowing down as it gets older, I've never had an Apple device crash.

My iPhone 5 is forever crashing and or going incredibly slowly, my sons 5s threw a wobbly last week and would no longer connect to a mobile network.

For one thing, unrivalled customer service.

I've recently had an iphone7 replaced (broken screen) totally free. They just gave me a new phone in the Apple Store.
He said it was "warranty replacement"

Also had numerous other repairs and fixes done over the past 10 years, all done for free, and done while I waited. By people who know the product inside out.

You just don't get that with other makes.

all done for free, and done while I waited.

Someone I work with got told at an Apple store, your phone is nearly out of warranty wait until its out an buy a new one.

Makes far better pie.

What are we comparing your tablet to?

Guessing an iPad mini? Looking at the current model, you get 128GB of storage, a nicer screen, a faster processor for your additional £270 (ish).

If what you've got works for you then you're ok?

totally free.

No, that's why they cost 3x as much as non apple stuff.

You just don't get that with other makes.

I've never had that with Apple.

You just don't get that with other makes.

Because it's not necessary 🙂

They still work 2+ years after a lot of heavy use and don't slow down as much. Hardware doesn't screw up and if it does the replacements are free or very cheap.

Isn't this the same as my £500 Fiesta does everything I want, why would I pay £12k for a 2nd hand car.

Apple stuff lasts, my original macbook still going strong after 10years, current macbook pro still fast and copes well after 4 years, my iphone 4s last 4 years, not many windows pc's still going after 10years?!

"[i]...no slowing down as it gets older...[/i]"

Well that's not true. My 3-yo iPad mini almost grinds to a complete halt sometimes.

Because it's not necessary

Except when the battery causes a fire.

Well that's not true. My 3-yo iPad mini almost grinds to a complete halt sometimes.

And my original iPad is completely unusable, only use it for web browsing and crashes constantly.

I still can't believe that don't have USB ports on Ipads. Utter madness.

There is built in obsolescence of course. My trusty iPad 2 has just ground to a halt so I replaced with an iPad 9.7 inch. Open the box, turn it on, log onto my wifi - it asks if i want to restore from a cloud backup, i say yes and within ten minutes its up and running - even my games are saved at the same position they were at on my old iPad. Apple stuff generally just works.
Itunes however is shocking in my opinion....

I've had Android phones since the advent of smart phones, mainly samsung, though motorola too. I've recently switched to an iphone as it was cheap, and as a long term cost saving measure (now SIM only as Samsung contract was up, phone was buggered, and just paid excess on OH's insurance as she broke iphone and was due an upgrade anyway).

Anyway, it basically just never crashes, in fact I can't remember it crashing in about 6 months use. I don't have that many apps or bloatware installed however and I know it's only the 16GB model, but it is saying it's nearly full, despite having sod all music or videos/films on it.

That's the main benefit of apple products for me, they just seem to work, and I really want to dislike them. I do however find some aspects of ios really restrictive and frustrating, and less than intuitive. Prefer android for customisation and general functionality, access to menus and settings etc, but it is more buggy, and even the top end Samsung phones just seem to die a death after 2 years.

Essentially, Apple have total control over the hardware and software, avoiding any problems inherent with third party equipment. This is simultaneously their biggest strength and their biggest weakness; you can buy your Apple iWatch and be confident that it'll work with your Apple iPhone whilst your Apple iMac happily syncs its Apple iTunes up into the Apple iCloud so you can iRecover it iLater when your iMac iExplodes. Getting it to work with Chromecast, eh, you're on your own there, should've bought an Apple TV or an Airport.

Outside of their iNfrastructure, you've got a lot more freedom to do what you want. Shitloads of third party alternative apps, like cameras and keyboards? Check. Direct access to the file system to drag off your photos / music / data? Check. Connect your Nvidia tablet to your Lenovo PC? Why not. Send a document to a ten year old HP printer (or indeed, to pretty much any other app or service)? Piece of piss. For some people this freedom is a good thing, for others they prefer "it just works" at the expense of "so long as you do it the way Apple want you to." Horses for courses really.

Apple tend to use premium materials at least externally, so people can coo over their latest shiny made from aircraft-grade aluminium (whatever that is), brushed steel, glass with some impressive sounding name like "sapphire", before sticking it in a £3.99 Hello Kitty case from TK Maxx.

[quote=c_klein87 ]Apple stuff lasts, my original macbook still going strong after 10years, current macbook pro still fast and copes well after 4 years, my iphone 4s last 4 years, not many windows pc's still going after 10years?!

I built my desktop PC in 2005 with mid level parts. Still going strong, never had an issue.

FunkyDunc - Member
Someone I work with got told at an Apple store, your phone is nearly out of warranty wait until its out an buy a new one.

I had the pleasure of over hearing a conversation at a Genius Bar:

Apple: Yeah it seems to be the power button (on your massive, not very old, iMac thing) thats not working.
Him: Can you fix it?
Apple: I'll check............No.
Him: Oh
Him: ......
Him: ......
Him: ......
Him: ......
Him: ......
Him: ......
Him: ...... when's the new model out?

Nearly fell off my perch when we just accepted writing of his £2,500+(?) machine for the sake of a button!

My Ipad Mini was bought in January 2014, its still performing exactly as when new almost 3.5 years ago.

My Samsung Galaxy Tab which was bought in 2013, has been practically unusable since 2015. The Tab was half the price, but I find using it to be irksome and wouldn't buy another.

The Apple interface and IOS is a real pleasure to use, the screens are wonderfully vibrant and tactile. They feel like a high quality product when in use and the aftercare is superb. iPads/Iphones = win.

Conversely, I'm not as much of a fan of Macs. My Sony Vaio (around 25% less than an equivalent Mac at the time) is now 5 years old, lasts 7 hours on it's battery, is instant on, upgraded to Windows 10 without any problems and has been utterly faultless. Why would I buy something that, is essentially a PC, but for more money and which, for me at least, has a less friendly user interface.

They make good products, the extra dosh it costs is cos they're magnificent at marketing.

FunkyDunc - Member
We have always found, longer last battery, just works, no slowing down as it gets older, I've never had an Apple device crash.

We get educational a fair discount which helps.

All that says to me is that you haven't owned many bits of Apple kit 😆

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan or Apple's stuff. At one point the OS genuinely was ahead of Windows, not now though.

nealglover - Member
For one thing, unrivalled customer service.

I've recently had an iphone7 replaced (broken screen) totally free. They just gave me a new phone in the Apple Store.
He said it was "warranty replacement"

Also had numerous other repairs and fixes done over the past 10 years, all done for free, and done while I waited. By people who know the product inside out.

You just don't get that with other makes.

This is what massively ****s me off with Apple customer service. It's so inconsistent.

Design flaw with motherboard, widely reported, causes random crashes = I had to have a massive argument in the shop and practically beg for a replacement

Design flaw with GPU causing checkerboard on screen = They insisted it was due to my wifes teaching whiteboard software, it wasn't. Again I had to beg for a replacement

Broken magsafe on my dad's laptop, widely reported fault. The machine is pristine, and the cable has frayed even though the machine is never moved. He gives up arguing for warranty replacement and ends up buying a replacement himself.

Macbook case with cracking palm rest and hinges = I had to wait a year before they would let me get a replacement for free, tried to charge me £79 even though it was a very widely known design flaw.

Some gump walks in with a scratched up and smashed iphone = here you go sir, brand new phone and let me give you an iNosh while it copies your stuff over

@Sunday ime its online ads that do that, they are much more resource hungry. There is a fix fir that !

OP firstly by controlling both hardware and software Apple kit works better. Also the whole underlying basis of the Mac system is far superior to the rubbish Microsoft is built on. I am still using my 2009 Mac (with easy user upgrdes to hardware) whereas I never found a PC/laptop kept working beyond 3 years before grinding to a halt. With regards to phones the iPhone really was something new (I was always bbery and Nokia - two companies who have now virtually disappeared !!!) - the app availability is far superior to Android. iPad wasnt the first tablet but its by far the best

Apple has positioned itself as a premium product and has unpdecidented margins in tech ($10bn profits on $50bn sales just this last quarter). People are prepared to pay a higher price for something that works better and is more desirable from a design perspective

For one thing, unrivalled customer service.

Someone I work with got told at an Apple store, your phone is nearly out of warranty wait until its out an buy a new one.

My experience of Apple's customer service is that it's excellent, but they very definitely apply an attitude tax. We went in with an 18-month old iPhone 6 with broken screen (ironically, dropped when taking it out of a protective case to put into another one); my OH chatted to the "genius" about how awesome it was, how it had almost constant usage, and how devastated she was to have broken it, and he basically told her what to say in order to allow him to give her a new one for free. On the other hand, I've known folk go in with their bellendery dial set to 11 and got absolutely nowhere.

Bellendery dialed to 11 🙂

longer last battery,

just works,

I've never had an Apple device crash.

My last Apple device was obsoleted early by Apple. It's stashed away in its original box. Along with all the defunct batteries.

I'll admit to being an Apple fan. It started with an iPhone (which was superb and really did "just work") and has since moved on to iPads, iMacs, MacBooks and Apple TVs. I'd like to say I like them because they just work, but recent experience of freezing iMacs and MacBook buttons that don't seem as responsive as they used to be is tainting that view.

What they continue to do well, is make hardware that is quite simply a joy to use. Using the ubiquitous car analogy, I know a Skoda will objectively do everything I [i]need[/i], but driving a Porsche gives me what I[i] want[/i].

What Cougar said.

You get premium hardware (which is also available from other companies), you get good support, and you get a well tested but fairly closed ecosystem.

Nearly fell off my perch when we just accepted writing of his £2,500+(?) machine for the sake of a button!

See, the Appleverse is a bit skewed, because the high barrier to entry means that it's populated with people like that. The same people who pop up on here who say 'buy a MacBook' when someone expresses interest in a £200 Windows laptop. As if money's not an issue.

A lot of people switched to Apple when they got good - at that time, Windows was not as good. So they swore off Windows and entered the Apple cult, and their opinions of Windows are still based on XP. Even one of my colleagues was surprised to learn that 2 hour battery life is not a thing any more in Windows land, even though Macs are now based on the same CPUs.

Windows has become vastly better in recent years, and MS have become very clever using their money to really move the industry foward. As Apple once did, but now seem to be having a bit of a rest. Or they're too busy counting their money.

Cougar - Moderator
Essentially, Apple have total control over the hardware and software, avoiding any problems inherent with third party equipment. This is simultaneously their biggest strength and their biggest weakness.

I'm a fanbouy, and this sums it up.

All my devices are linked, they've worked flawlessly.

I'm looking forward to the iPhone8.

The way Apple stuff syncs across devices (computers, phones, tablets) particularly the way it stores all your credit cards & passwords is very handy.

I do all my gaming on my iPad now, mainly strategy games & conversions of real life board games. All these games generally come out on iOS way before Android (if they make it to Android at all). Don't even ask about a Windows mobile version 🙂 I admit this is a niche case, but it's a biggie for me!

The best thing about them is you can buy Hello Kitty cases :happy-joy:

I am still using my 2009 Mac (with easy user upgrdes to hardware) whereas I never found a PC/laptop kept working beyond 3 years before grinding to a halt.

Case in point. In 2009 that might have been true, but it's not true now. Still using a 2009 laptop in our house, running W10 a treat and doesn't crash ever.

yourguitarhero - Member

I built my desktop PC in 2005 with mid level parts. Still going strong, never had an issue.

Retired my thirteen yr old PC last year, built it for £200. 🙂

nealglover - Member

For one thing, unrivalled customer service.

Like lying to customers that they must have dropped their phones when in reality a shitty update stopped them working properly? 😐

So in summary, they give you massive blinkers. 😆

The way Apple stuff syncs across devices (computers, phones, tablets) particularly the way it stores all your credit cards & passwords is very handy.

Google does that too.

jambalaya - Member
Also the whole underlying basis of the Mac system is far superior to the rubbish Microsoft is built on.

Totally wrong. The underlying system on Windows NT is absolutely rock solid and has been for years.
In comparison to Apple, look at the filesystem for instance. HFS+ is total garbage. In fact, it's just been replaced on iOS, however the replacement is still in beta on MacOS.

jambalaya - Member
I am still using my 2009 Mac (with easy user upgrdes to hardware)

oh yeah and it saves sodding about researching stuff when deciding what new phone/tablet to buy or when I need a new computer for work!

the whole underlying basis of the Mac system is far superior to the rubbish Microsoft is built on.

Don't talk mince.

I am still using my 2009 Mac (with easy user upgrdes to hardware) whereas I never found a PC/laptop kept working beyond 3 years before grinding to a halt.

I'm still using my 2008 Dell laptop. Fast as the day I bought it - well, faster even, it's had a couple of hardware upgrades. Came with Vista, now running Windows 10 (I installed the latest "Creator's Edition" a couple of weeks back).

Is the latest version of OSX compatible with your 2009 Mac, incidentally? Sierra lists "late 2009" as the cut-off for compatibility so even if it is, I strongly suspect it'll be the last new version you'll see.

the whole underlying basis of the Mac system is far superior to the rubbish Microsoft is built on.

The HW platform basically the same, only Apple tend not to use the latest processors.

OSwise, MacOS is a Linux derivative which is archictually different to Windows, but modern Windows OSes are just as robust. I reboot my MBP way more often than my W7 PC as it locks up more...

I want technology to require as little of my input as possible, I have no interest in tinkering or customising and the apple products although far from perfect come the closest to achieving that of anything that i've used.

That's worth the extra cost to me although I understand that anyone that likes to tinker will find their closed system a negative feature.

MacOS is a Linux derivative

No it isn't. It's a version of BSD.

What's so bad about apple? I guess people want devices for different purposes and want different things out of them. So if you want all the stuff that apple devices don't have then clearly Apple stuff isn't so good for you.

Personally I moved over to Apple in 2009 with a MacBook after getting thoroughly P'd off by Window's and PC's. Back then the price difference was not as great as Apple - my MacBook cost me £800 and to get a windows laptop of the time of similar quality I'd have been looking at something similar. But I was sick and tired of having to rebuild my computers several times a year and carry out a swathe of 'maintenance' activities once a month running a battery of programmes to clean up redundant files, files that decided to suddenly corrupt themselves another housekeeping activities, to just keep the thing ticking over.

This struck me as being needed due to the poor quality of the operating system. I'm not a computer nerd and had no desire to become one, I just wanted a computer that was like a washing machine - minimalistic and just worked. And after 8 years of Mac ownership that is exactly what I've had with the 2009 MacBook still plodding on faultlessly having required zero maintenance or fixing in all that time.

I'm now at a stage where I'm looking to replace it and looking at an iMac and a couple of iPads. The price difference is still not that great when you compare to alternative devices of similar quality (yes you can get windows stuff a hell of a lot cheaper, but I know from others experience you buy cheap you buy multiple times), and I believe windows stuff is a lot better now than it was. But part of me thinks why should I give Windows another crack at the whip when I've had no issues with my MacBook - its exceeded expectations and I think they deserve my custom going forward.

I don't doubt for a second that other options out there are just as good if not better, but I like the simplicity and styling of Apple stuff - it feels like really good quality kit, far superior than everything else and I know it lasts. I have no need for millions of USB ports and SD card slots, have no problems sharing data and files with friends and family, and all the apple stuff we have in our household just works together seamlessly all the time.

Apple are always last to market with new products, but when they come to market they come with very good products and don't clutter them up with unnecessary features and complications. I'm not so sure their prices are so much more than other equivalent products and in fact the company I work for are looking at replacing their Apple iMacs with some non Apple kit that is supposed to be better for what they use them for, but it is working out a hell of a lot more expensive than Apple - so the huge extortionate Apple price premium is a bit of a myth I think.

Based upon the experiences of my Windows work laptop I'm not convinced that MS has become better these days. Its still slow to boot up and shut down, still requires some on-going maintenance (though less than it used to) and still unstable and prone to crashing and throwing the odd wobbly. And that is a professionally built and maintained machine by HP, so it would be even worse when at the hands of my wife and kids.

Some gump walks in with a scratched up and smashed iphone = here you go sir, brand new phone and let me give you an iNosh while it copies your stuff over

I presume that "gump" is me. (As you quoted me in your post)

As it happens, I think cougar is spot on. They use a fairly reliable "attitude test" in the Apple Stores

Me: I've had great service, the odd freee replacement I probably wasn't entitled to, and a few fixes and repairs all done for free.

You: Nothing but arguments and refusals by the way describe your experience.

Who's the "Gump" again? 🙄

My iMac sits in my house on display and it looks far better than any other PC even today, which matters to me.
Combined with a nicer OS and longevity. It is currently 7 years old.

Is it worth the premium - to me it is so I buy them,

Because Apple lock you in, Apple users only know about Apple stuff. So when they go 'Ooh look at this amazing feature that our incredible machines can do!" they are generally unaware that it's not in the least bit new and everyone else can also do it.

The underlying system on Windows NT is absolutely rock solid

True.

You can run it on Apple machines as well.

Because Apple lock you in, Apple users only know about Apple stuff. So when they go 'Ooh look at this amazing feature that our incredible machines can do!" they are generally unaware that it's not in the least bit new and everyone else can also do it.

There's a few reasons.
Marketing is a big one, their products are cool, people want to be seen using them, their 'brand' is incredibly strong – in the same way people will pay £50 for even basic Nike trainers over £10 for George at ASDA ones.

Their stuff is by and large good, they don't sell crap. We see it a lot in work (we sell IT stuff) end user wants a Mac, the person paying for it wants a Windows - Ah, end user says, the Mac has got a better screen, better graphics, better this, better that - I "need" a Mac. Invariably they're comparing a £400 entry level i5 Laptop with a £1400 i5 MacBook and the Mac is worth the extra because of the screen etc - ah we say, give us a £1400 budget for a Windows Machine and we'll find you something that's better than the Mac in every way and the look at you like you're from Mars, why spend 3 times as much on a PC?

Same with Phones, people say "Android is crap" what they mean is a £150 shonky Android is not as good as the latest £900 iPhone with it's retina screen and it's Quad Core CPU.

It's Apples and Oranges, because Microsoft and Google allow their OS to be used on a huge range of hardware it hurts their brand - "Windows 10 is crap" I hear, no a Celeron based desktop is crap for using day in day out on any OS.

So you end up with a fairly small range of products all using very good, high-end hardware, wrapped in high-end, well designed, very desirable cases using a very good OS that's not been made to look crap on bad or outdated hardware (because they drop it) so what’s so good about Apple? Only that there’s nothing bad about them, other than the price.

There's a fight back going on those, Microsoft have got some amazing hardware now and more coming and Google Pixle phone is excellent.

nealglover - Member

I presume that "gump" is me. (As you quoted me in your post)

As it happens, I think cougar is spot on. They use a fairly reliable "attitude test" in the Apple Stores

Me: I've had great service, the odd freee replacement I probably wasn't entitled to, and a few fixes and repairs all done for free.

You: Nothing but arguments and refusals by the way describe your experience.

Who's the "Gump" again?

Err, no. Try again. I was disputing the content of your post, but talking specifically about somebody I watched walk in and get a smashed phone replaced while I was trying to get one of my machines sorted. I may have made the iNosh up.

And you quite honestly couldn't be more wrong about my attitude. I was nothing but pleasant and polite to all the people I spoke to. I have worked in both retail and IT helpdesks and really respect the poor souls who work on front-line support.

However, they simply would not budge on issues that were Apple's fault and I admit, that annoyed me. I didn't take it out on the staff but I made it clear I was not happy.
I believe it was a calculated decision made up the chain not to replace parts they knew were incorrectly designed. Like the Macbook case for instance where it wasn't until they started getting massive bad press on the issue before they would replace them gratis.

Yes. I heard someone complain that the scren on a £150 Windows laptop wasn't much good, nowhere near as nice as a £1,500 Mac. No shit.

Nothing against Apple, the model is equally valid, but I wish fanbois wouldn't be so biased about it. Windows is just as good, and the ability to get a decent machine for very little money is a significant benefit of the system.

No it isn't. It's a version of BSD.

Ok, it's a UNIX derivative, as is Linux (well a Unix clone).

footflaps - Member
Ok, it's a UNIX derivative

No, it actually IS UNIX. 😀 </pedant> 😛

Actually, it’s neither but don’t let that worry you.

Linux is “UNIX like” but certainly not UNIX. It provides the same hooks and API calls as UNIX but that is all. None of the UNIX code is in the Linux code.

Rachel

No, it actually IS UNIX

Not legally it isn't. Has shared heritage though.

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I'm not an Apple fanboi in any way shape or form but since I got my first proper smartphone (HTC Desire) I've never been able to live with a phone for more than 18 months. I got my iphone 6 the week they came out and its still going along nicely. We've got an ipad 3 that is still working perfectly too.

I've got a year samsung tablet that is slow, crashy and constantly telling me I'm out of space (can't move all of the app data to the SD card and then it moves back again whenever they update) and I can't root it because I use it for Sky Q and a 3 year old windows laptop that I've had to rescue from the brink of death at least twice.

I like apple ios devices they work and for the length of time they last compared to Android stuff they're decent value for money, can't be paying through the nose for macbooks though, they're just stupid money.

None of the UNIX code is in the Linux code.

Contentious statement, there have been several law suits claiming some of the code / APIs have been nicked....

allthegear - Member
Actually, it’s neither but don’t let that worry you.

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footflaps - Member
Not legally it isn't. Has shared heritage though.

It is certified as UNIX by the Open Foundation.

Same with Phones, people say "Android is crap" what they mean is a £150 shonky Android is not as good as the latest £900 iPhone with it's retina screen and it's Quad Core CPU.

I know I much prefer my iphone7 compared to my Samsung S7

(I don't have any idea how they compare in terms of spec?)

I just hate using the Samsung (but I have to for work)

Probably more to do with what I'm used to after years of iPhone use, and I just don't know my way round an android phone as well.

It is certified as UNIX by the Open Foundation.

Where did you get this Lenovo tablet for 150 quid?

Was given a new ipad thing the other week. Battery life is good but I hate the thing.

allthegear - Member
erm - no, it isn’t. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/#

I don't understand your post. Apple is the first on the list, OSX/Mac OS has been certified as UNIX for 10 years or more.

My apologies - I thought you meant Linux was certified, given that both of your quotations were talking about Linux.

Rachel

allthegear - Member
My apologies - I thought you meant Linux was certified, given that both of your quotations were talking about Linux.

Rachel

Oh right, no worries, my mistake - I thought footflaps and you were talking about BSD/Darwin.

For the money that Apple have their stuff should be perfect.
Why the need to change the charger ports? Why the need to make everything as thin as possible? I want a phone twice as thick with a monster last forever battery.
Why does it cost hundreds of pounds extra for 128 gb when I can get a chip for £30?
Why the constant upgrades that make stuff worse then ultimately buggers your machine up. It's like Russian roulette.
They are the evil empire.
I won't buy another apple product.

The thing that's been p*ssing me off for the last couple of years at least with iPhones is the update churn - it seems to be a cycle of:

- you have an update available. Update now?

- uh, yeah, OK I guess I don't think I need to but maybe it will make things work better. Oh, it looks like it's made no difference.

- you have an update available. Update now?

- no thanks, my device is working fine.

- you have an update available. Update now or update tomorrow?

- no thanks, my device is working fine.

- you have an update available. I've already downloaded it. Update now or update tonight?

- no thanks, my device is working almost fine, except I've lost some storage. I'll delete that update I don't want, thanks.

- you have an update available. I've already downloaded it again. Update now or update tonight?

- no thanks, my device is working fine. Hang on, that update was massive and I'm visiting my parents, they have a tiny old-school broadband limit. That's pretty rude. If you're going to keep doing that, I suppose I'm stuck with a GB less storage.

- you have an update available and you're not really paying attention. Got you! I'm updating your phone!

- oh bugger. Oh, OK, well I guess this was inevitable. Hang on, now my phone doesn't work as well as it did before and it's slower and things have moved around and the interface has got a load of random crap added onto it that I can't remove. See, this is why I didn't want to update.

- you have an update available. You don't really have a choice, I'm going to update sooner or later.

- this is Stockholm Syndrome. Fine, keep on updating it. Keep on breaking my iPhone, little by little, until it's ground down to a brick in my pocket. Then I suppose I'll have to buy a new iPhone because it's the least-hassle way to keep all my photos and files and apps and settings and - hang on, what the f*ck do you mean it doesn't even have a sodding HEADPHONE SOCKET?

P.S.

If you want to know what other manufactures can do with a massive RRP (£2400 - £3300 in this case) have a look at this.

It's compariable with a 5K iMac

Yeah, but is it UNIX?? 😆

Everything in an iPad will be betterer than in a Yoga, the SOC in particular will wipe the floor with anything budget android (infact anything android) the screen will be better, the memory better and faster and the screen much, much better (not compared to Samsung obvs). Plus the apps are usually much nicer than Android apps

However iOS is an absolute steaming pile of turds, structurally has barely moved on since Apple created the iPhone, file system, nope, SIRI is a joke, zero (well not quite, but almost) customisation, the lack of a back button, the abomination that are notifications. What seemed so wow 10 years ago now seems a bit Fisher Price. But a Fisher Price which will get updates for many years and will work better for more years than Android equivalents.

Oh and proprietary dongles, Apple produced their 30 pin connectors for years after the introduction of Micro USB, then swerved Micro USB for the "better" proprietary lightning connector for no other reason than cash. Interesting to see if the IPhone 10 will get USB C

allthegear - Member
Yeah, but is it UNIX??

No but it is (somewhat) POSIX compliant. 😀

Heh - if iOS is a streaming pile of turds, it's a mature pile. Many of the core classes still start NSxxx where the NS stands for NextStep. That's harking back to 1987.

Rachel

Reading some of the latest reviews and comparisons things like the Dell XPS and Surfaces are coming out ahead of the Macbooks, phones seem to be 6-12 months behind the competition etc.
It's stable/never crashes seems to be heavily disproved by this thread already so what are you getting?

Connectivity, cloud means you don't need everything in one family. The photo's I took on my phone this evening will be on my desktop and laptop along with the cloud within seconds, I can pick up a new laptop and be up and running in under an hour, when I got a new phone it took longer to charge than it did to set up with all the apps I used to have and the data needed.
Google Voice stuff really does just work, really well too. It's great fun watching my housemate trying to make Siri work.

The business practices are the real killer, building obsolescence, removing user serviceable parts etc.

Like many things they are living on an idea and a marketing punch, the reception for the new macbooks said a lot, the creatives begrudgingly accepting they would probably need to buy one and then pricing up all the adapters needed to "just work" didn't leave many with a smile on their faces.

Is it a brand that can continue it's current model through another recession/slow down? At what point do the $$ start to count against them?

Where did you get this Lenovo tablet for 150 quid?

I got it from Argos so, considering the above debate, I really should hang my head in shame (it's a really nice bit of tactile and quality kit in my humble/ill-informed opinion). I guess I'm just used to Android and can't be bothered to make the transition.

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/4447267

Essentially, Apple have total control over the hardware and software, avoiding any problems inherent with third party equipment. This is simultaneously their biggest strength and their biggest weakness.

Basically this for me. As a reasonably competent tech person I am happy with the way stuff just works & syncs together seamlessly.

I went from an iPhone to an iPad to lastly a Mini Mac. Everything just works, always.

Over the years, i've had various Android based phones for work & every single one has been turd by comparison. It's annoying, as Apple have got me tied in now, but there isn't a viable alternative IMO.

Their stuff is by and large good, they don't sell crap. We see it a lot in work (we sell IT stuff) end user wants a Mac, the person paying for it wants a Windows - Ah, end user says, the Mac has got a better screen, better graphics, better this, better that - I "need" a Mac. Invariably they're comparing a £400 entry level i5 Laptop with a £1400 i5 MacBook and the Mac is worth the extra because of the screen etc - ah we say, give us a £1400 budget for a Windows Machine and we'll find you something that's better than the Mac in every way and the look at you like you're from Mars, why spend 3 times as much on a PC?

To some extent I resemble that remark. When the new MacBook Pro came out with a stiff price hike I thought "stuff that, they're taking the pi$$, I'm gonna get me one o' them good value Windows machines". But when I looked, the equivalent spec really wasn't enormously much cheaper, certainly not enough to justify the pain of changing my "ecosystem".

Reading some of the latest reviews and comparisons things like the Dell XPS and Surfaces are coming out ahead of the Macbooks, phones seem to be 6-12 months behind the competition etc.
It's stable/never crashes seems to be heavily disproved by this thread already so what are you getting?

Don't really agree with Apple stuff being worse value for money given it's quality & longevity, admittedly I've not looked into the new MBPs in great detail & agree that some of the decisions around them seem a bit odd (although possible it will all be moot once everything else catches up!)