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revenue generating and isn't skilled
first part disagree look at service providers and commissioned bodies, medical appliances, adaptations and so on.............second part incorrect, what we are saying is that to work with the most vulunerable and 'at risk' in a a life or death situation....see Baby P case or Victoria Climbie.... is not a skilled position is blatently inappropiate. Given the press clammer and even on this forum the debates over baby p it seems if you want to protect and safeguard then you have to pay better wages to attract people of the calibre to do that.
Hora if that was the case I am sorry as they possibly did not give the best service but if the service is to be better then pay more get better staff.
I am not a social worker but I am intrested in the disportionate salaries in our society..................long live capatialism...................sorry isn't it dead??
It's not skilled. Anyone with common sense can do the job.
Isn't this just "supply and demand"? Using Social Work as an example, if there weren't enough folk applying for the jobs, wouldn't they have to raise the salary to attract more? Does this just indicate that perhaps Social Work is "easy" to get into, or that it's done by folk who can't be arsed training for something more demanding?
It's not skilled. Anyone with common sense can do the job.
And what do you do?
Isn't this just "supply and demand"? Using Social Work as an example, if there weren't enough folk applying for the jobs, wouldn't they have to raise the salary to attract more? Does this just indicate that perhaps Social Work is "easy" to get into, or that it's done by folk who can't be arsed training for something more demanding?
Does supply and demand work in this situation?
It's often stated that MP's salaries should be high in order to attract the best people into the being MPs. So, if we halved their salary would we have an empty House of Commons with no names on ballot boxes?
Perhaps there are people who would be brilliant carers for the elderly, but they're stacking shelves in Tesco because it pays better?
Supply and demand doesn't seem to work in the 'caring professions' We desparately need home carers, yet they won't/don't raise wages sufficiently to stimulate and increase in applicants and retention of those already in the job. There are not enough places to accommodate older people who need care because it doesn't generate enough income. The people who 'care' about what happens to the old and vulnerable only seem to act as individiuals, IE, it only matters when it's [i]their[/i] child/granny, and they're not interested in the overall picture of inadequate services and resources.
And as for it just being common sense, well a lot of it is, or should be, but some management muppet put in place so many nonsense procedures and policies, that we're not allowed to do much of any practical use.
Teachers seem to well payed nowadays.
Especially the ones willing to put in the extra work to gain the extra points.
I doubt the country could afford to pay nurses/teachers etc much more.
jojoA1 - MemberSupply and demand doesn't seem to work in the 'caring professions' We desparately need home carers, yet they won't/don't raise wages sufficiently to stimulate and increase in applicants and retention of those already in the job.
Is it possible that we'll see a flood of applications now that more financially rewarding work is becoming harder to find?
approved social worker approx 28k per annum, able to section an individual or take a child into care dealing with safeguarding........... underpaid or overpaid???
A mate of mine is an ASW. He regularly gets assaulted/beaten up and once had to call out the armed response unit to rescue him from a nutter who locked him in their house and threatened him with a kitchen knife. This isn't even mentioning the number of clients he's worked with closely who top themselves or die from overdosing. And then he has a bunch of idiot relatives who put in formal complaints against him about a perceived 'lack of care'.
It's the job from hell, and definitely, massively underpaid.
Maybe, Druidh, but in my experience, those who might do it 'just' for the money don't stay long. There are easier jobs available that pay the same, if not better, eg the classic 'shelf stacker'. There's also a disparity between client groups, people working with clients/service users who have learning disabilities, physical disabilities or are children seem to receive better remuneration than anyone working with older people. Maybe the country should just face up to the fact that we don't really care about old people and introduce a scheme of involuntary euthanasia? (tongue in cheek here folks!)
jojoA1 - MemberMaybe the country should just face up to the fact that we don't really care about old people and introduce a scheme of involuntary euthanasia? (tongue in cheek here folks!)
No need to get personal....
I'd keep you Druidh. You could be my little ageing pet 🙂
if there weren't enough folk applying for the jobs, wouldn't they have to raise the salary to attract more? Does this just indicate that perhaps Social Work is "easy" to get into, or that it's done by folk who can't be arsed training for something more demanding?
er no, seems no one wants to be a social worker because a non intervention can lead to an individuals death..........it used to be 4 years to be a social worker degree............more demanding......high stress levels protecting societys most at risk of harm.........sorry but hedge fund managers and all the twonkers who have ripped off and lead us to financial meltdown as we a in a recession are overpaid doppers. J Ross his salary would pay for a lot of people in the caring profession. Sorry but I know lots and lots of people on less than the ave salary, seems out of kilter to me.
bit of lazy reasoning to say the public sector jobs = underpaid, perhaps at times in the past they may have been but not now.
Teachers as an example, look at the hours they do and the holidays & pensions they get! Many teachers have a degree of dubious value, & 1 year pgce conversion courses (paid for with government grants + bonus sweetners when they start/finish)then they are straight into salaries that compare very favourably with other graduate roles, they work reduced hours under less pressure and for far fewer weeks, with enviable job security, terrible rates of absenteeism and get a huge pension that you wont find anywhere in the private sector - plus to be fair many (not all) of these graduates were the less marketable graduates who couldnt find jobs in the private sector, no disrespect to some of very capable educators but lets be real. Plenty of examples of non-jobs in the health service and local government too.
Try working a 45 hour week without lunch & 25 hours unpaid overtime under pressure to meet deadlines and climb the slippery corporate pole for weeks months and years,earning the same as or less than a teacher & then moan about money.
Anyway just one of the many extravagant uses of our money in the public sector, with so many people now employed by the public sector directly or indirectly the next election will be a bit like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas!
SirJonLordofBike
I am not a teacher but as a parent of a gobby 13 year old I can tell you no amount of money would get me in a classroom with 30 of the little shits. as far as I am concerned the teachers in most schools earn their cash
I mate of mine works as a solicitor. He used to get paid 25% of the money he brought in which meant an annual income for him of £50k to £60k - the rest obviously going towards various costs and then the excess taken by the partners. Now he's a partner so should be making good money out of the non-partners....
And I get about 10% of what I turn over for the partners here. But then, the highest paid partner here is on £860k p.a. (or was - doubt s'he will get the same next time round). And that's nothing compared with the big boys in the City.
Sadly, the way the profession is going, fewer and fewer people will have access to these mega-bucks, but they'll still dangle a carrot just close enough for too many to burn themselves out trying. C**ts.
I'm ashamed to say I never got around to getting a degree. I did an engineering apprenticeship and ended up with an HND. I've done quite some vocational training since & some formal mgt training.
On the plus side I am 36 and have 18 years relevant work experience and earn around €60k plus quite a lot of benefits in kind. Took a pay cut when I left the UK from around 40K GBP but since the exchange rate has drifted salary sounds a lot nicer.
(but I would happily take a paycut for something that I enjoy doing)
Marge - MemberI'm ashamed to say I never got around to getting a degree. I did an engineering apprenticeship and ended up with an HND.
And what exactly are you ashamed of?
And what exactly are you ashamed of?
Well it is most likely the people that work for me wouldn't even get an interview without a degree....
Can feel a bit fraudulent sometimes but then I meet an unbelievably stupid graduate/ masters / doctorate job candidate or colleague and suddenly feel a lot better.
200!
(posts not k sadly!)
my mates bird is a social worker (kiddie snatcher). her job involved assessing paretns competence of caring for their kids. if she felt they weren't she had the power to take the kids away....
quite funny really (not funny but hey-ho). we were out one time at a festival and were after some pick-me-ups. saw some bloke dealing and it's usually her job to buy. being a girl she usually gets a better deal. but this time she refused and we had to go speak to this guy.
turns out she was dealing with his case. he lost his kid due to being an unsavoury character with links to drug dealing.
bit ironic really.
Operations Manager for a large retailer, responsible for entire inventory of (millions of £'s) store, often solely responsible for customer serice and security. Risk manager and IT controller for same store. On constant call-out for security.
£16k
Retail sucks.
I am paid commission based on how many units my films sell. I don't really do it for the money though as they are so much fun to make! 😉
Well that's the most replies I've ever had! & to top it off I've just been informed today that with the new prison service workforce modernisation wotsit thats gonna come in, I'll be on just over 30K by April 2010! & STILL no modern qualifications! Now considering my mortgage is next to bog all....what should I spend my spare dosh on???
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Can't belive you've got more replies than my 'what do you have in your fish finger sandwich' post!
I think my >£40k for 6 O levels is good value, lots of on the job training and shed loads of useless certificates from various training courses, most of which are now obsolete ........ you've probably guessed it's IT by now!
It's all building up to the big shutdown, so after paying me shedloads for years, lately for doing next to nothing, they have announced a shutdown, hopefully redundancy looms in a year or two with about 24 years service and a payoff in or around the 6 figure region!! Worst case is they find me something else to do!! 😥 🙁
I was a bit unsure about posting on here.... Dunno whether I was feeling a bit embarrassed about what I earn, but I thought '**** it, I've worked bloody hard to get where I am and continue to work bloody hard for my money'.
I have two degrees and a number of postgraduate qualifications and currently earn around 60-odd grand, for putting you guys (and everyone else) back together.
9 GCSE's
3 A Levels
2:1 Degree BSC Hons Environmental Science
Used to earn close to £40k as project manager for Vodafone but jacked it in 18 months ago to be a fireman. Now on 28K, skint, but happy.